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YoHoJo
08-09-2013, 09:36 PM
Post the best builds you can do for a $700 budget.
We can compare and contrast the best ones and find a good mix.
For my sister, for games.


Thanks Guys :-)

Not just any PC.
This is going to be a little girl's dream come true PC.

YoHoJo's own little sister, at the age of 14, would love to join the group of elite PC Gamer Master Race.

You will be freeing her from her 1 core, 4G RAM, 32bit, old, dilapidated HP PC.

She will, with her own hands (and guidance of me) learn of the feels of making her very own PC with her own two hands, and the satisfying sensation every time she presses the power button and thinks "damn, I built this, and it runs everything on all max 60fps+"

You are creating her very own first gaming PC, on which she will pwn n00bs, gain countless amounts of xp, and travel to distant and foreign lays to slay dragons and demons and villains.

Just think of all of the good and change you are going, and how grateful she will be!

Turpinator
08-09-2013, 09:49 PM
gaming yes or no.

YoHoJo
08-09-2013, 09:55 PM
gaming yes or no.

Edited OP.
Yes gaming.

Ian
08-09-2013, 10:12 PM
Does your sister want to bot with it?

Sjoe
08-09-2013, 10:27 PM
Does your sister want to bot with it?

Runs in the family

YoHoJo
08-09-2013, 10:44 PM
Does your sister want to bot with it?
Is that a relevant question? :-)
No she doesn't.

Ian
08-10-2013, 12:10 AM
Is that a relevant question? :-)
No she doesn't.

It's relevant because if she did then the computer would want to have more ram than normal as well as a good cpu :)

Although good games need good specs too, in my experience ram is not an issue unless you are having a lot of things open like you would with many bots :)

YoHoJo
08-10-2013, 12:31 AM
Edited OP.

YoHoJo
08-10-2013, 12:55 AM
Say on topic, don't spam. Deleted your posts Silentcore; Nebula; BMWxi; (Repped you because you made me lol though)

rj
08-10-2013, 01:06 AM
#YoHoJosSisterforAdmin (http://villavu.com/forum/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=YoHoJosSisterforAdmin)

Anyway, 4 GB of RAM ins't that bad is all of it's usable is it?(putting the other shat specs aside) Meh anyway you could try to go to bestbuy and buy a computer that are on display, I got these specs for $350 because it was a display:

8 GB of RAM i7-3632QM CPU: 2.20 GHz, 4 cores
Has a camera too :D

Hagle with the bestbuy salesmen just be like "wellll I don't really need a computer but I would like to get a discount of I buy the display blah blah blah"

Wetish
08-10-2013, 01:36 AM
YohoJo, we are not your slaves. Do what everyone else does and do some research. Pick your own parts and then post your build here.

YoHoJo
08-10-2013, 01:46 AM
YohoJo, we are not your slaves. Do what everyone else does and do some research. Pick your own parts and then post your build here.

I know. I know. And that's normally my mindset when people post stuff like this too.
But I also know some people wouldn't mind doing this, or find it fun so I'll wait for them to post.

Wetish
08-10-2013, 02:10 AM
I know. I know. And that's normally my mindset when people post stuff like this too.
But I also know some people wouldn't mind doing this, or find it fun so I'll wait for them to post.

Fair enough.

DrChill
08-10-2013, 03:16 AM
Challenge accepted, YoHoBro:

3TB HDD, 16GB RAM, 4Gh 8 core processor.

($75) [PSU]700w CoolerMaster PSU http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817171054
($90) [MoBo] Asrock 970 Extreme4: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157262
($180) [CPU] AMD FX-8350 FX-Series 8-Core Black Edition http://www.amazon.com/AMD-FD8350FRHKBOX-FX-8350-FX-Series-Edition/dp/B009O7YUF6
($20) [CD/DVD] Random Drive http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204
($135) [RAM] 16GB Ripjaw RAM http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231489
= $500

Then you could spend ~200 on Case/Keyboard+Mouse+Headset

Actually, do you want to include Keyboard/Mouse/Headset? You could probably spend ~100 on the case, then 100 on the others.

EDIT:
Forgot HDD, need clarification on the Keyboard etc.

But this would be the HDD:

($100) [HDD] 3TB WD Caviar Green http://www.ebay.com/itm/Western-Digital-3TB-WD30EZRX-64MB-Cache-SATA-Hard-Drive-New-w-Warranty-/231028601851

With/Without Keyboard etc.:

With no keyboard etc.
($88) [Case] NZXT Case http://www.ebay.com/itm/NZXT-Crafted-Case-CA-PH410-B1-PHANTOM-ATX-Mid-Tower-USB-Black-/330933450380?pt=US_Computer_Cases&hash=item4d0d2bb68c
($100) [HDD] 3TB WD Caviar Green http://www.ebay.com/itm/Western-Digital-3TB-WD30EZRX-64MB-Cache-SATA-Hard-Drive-New-w-Warranty-/231028601851
=$188+$500 = $688

With keyboard etc.
($100) [HDD] 3TB WD Caviar Green http://www.ebay.com/itm/Western-Digital-3TB-WD30EZRX-64MB-Cache-SATA-Hard-Drive-New-w-Warranty-/231028601851
($40) [Case] http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rosewill-CHALLENGER-Black-Gaming-ATX-Mid-Tower-Computer-Case-/181060474628?pt=US_Computer_Cases&hash=item2a280b9704
($10) [Mouse] http://www.amazon.com/E-3lue-EMS131BK-Precision-Control-Counterfeit/dp/B005CPGHAA/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1376105543&sr=1-3&keywords=mouse
($25) [Keyboard] http://www.amazon.com/Black-LED-Lighted-Keyboard-W-9868BK/dp/B002VKMO0G/ref=pd_sim_e_2
($13) [Headset] http://www.amazon.com/Universal-Stereo-Gaming-Headset-TM-YB100A/dp/B001FY7LBQ/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1376105693&sr=1-1&keywords=headset
=$183+$500 = $683

Notes:
I have not bought high end headsets before, just picked that one because of looks/ratings+price.

You can try to find more cases on ebay, the rosewill case might be a good idea, then spend the extra cash in other areas.

Forgot to check for compatibility of the PSU, if not comp. just find another one.

Another edit
If you wanted you could try to fit in a GPU, e.g. AMD 7950:
($300) [GPU] http://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-Mini-Displayport-PCI-Express-Graphic-GV-R795WF3-3GD/dp/B007581QHG/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1376106889&sr=1-1&keywords=amd+7950

You would have to cut areas though, if you went with the $40 case, that would free $60, and cut the keyboard etc. +$48, then get a 250GB HDD instead (who actually needs 3TB?), +$80; switch to 6GB RAM, +$80; take out the CD Drive (who needs those anyway?), +$20; and add in the $20 gap between the goal and my price list, and you should have $300

MOAR EDITZZZZ
So, you wanted 16gb of ram eh?

Change the case to one that's ~$20, overall some aren't that bad:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rosewill-REDBONE-Black-SECC-Steel-ATX-Mid-Tower-Computer-Case-/181097851238?pt=US_Computer_Cases&hash=item2a2a45e966
http://www.ebay.com/itm/RipTide-Custom-Comps-Rattler-atx-mid-size-case-/190778355548?pt=US_Computer_Cases&hash=item2c6b46af5c
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Antec-Performance-Series-ATX-Tower-Case-Solid-Construction-w-Sound-Damping-/330979710727?pt=US_Computer_Cases&hash=item4d0fed9707

That gives us $70 for RAM, and if you hunt for cheaper RAM on eBay:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/8GB-kit-2-x-4GB-DDR3-SDRAM-DDR-3-PC3-8500-240-pin-1066-Mhz-PC-DESKTOP-RAM-MEMORY-/230741379989?pt=US_Memory_RAM_&hash=item35b9420b95

x2 = $90

Or just this:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/G-SKILL-16GB-4x4GB-PC3-8500-DDR3-1066MHz-CL7-UNBUFF-Memory-F3-8500CL7D-8GBRL-/231030648617?pt=US_Memory_RAM_&hash=item35ca7fef29

Hmm, need $20 let's see ...

1. Creative casing This is a gaming computer right?
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=29010991&postcount=10

2. Cheaper GPU
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202026&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleAdwords&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-_-pla-_-Desktop+Graphics+Cards-_-N82E16814202026&gclid=CPS-noSe8rgCFalAMgod2C0AFg
^ Did not see that when compiling stats earlier, but for some reason NewEgg has the 7950 significantly cheaper (-$60), which is enough to buy the keyboard etc. back, and still have 16gb of RAM!

Also, RS3 Gold -> Membership would be awesome ...

Sjoe
08-10-2013, 03:23 AM
Challenge accepted, YoHoBro:

16GB, 4Gh 8 core.

($75) [PSU]700w CoolerMaster PSU http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817171054
($90) [MoBo] Asrock 970 Extreme4: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157262
($180) [CPU] AMD FX-8350 FX-Series 8-Core Black Edition http://www.amazon.com/AMD-FD8350FRHKBOX-FX-8350-FX-Series-Edition/dp/B009O7YUF6
($20) [CD/DVD] Random Brand http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204
($135) [RAM] 16GB Ripjaw RAM http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231489
= $500

Then you could spend ~200 on Case/Keyboard+Mouse+Headset

Actually, do you want to include Keyboard/Mouse/Headset? You could probably spend ~100 on the case, then 100 on the others.

EDIT:
Forgot HDD, need clarification on the Keyboard etc.

GPU? :p

#Yohojo4BestBigBrother (http://villavu.com/forum/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=Yohojo4BestBigBrother)

DrChill
08-10-2013, 04:33 AM
Sjoe

I just did like 20 edits, one of which included a GPU.

grats
08-10-2013, 05:05 AM
get
i3-3245

and

7770 GHZ build

asrock extreme3 z77 1155 socket (obv) board

whats that like $350 ish there forgot price of 7770

could probably wiggle up to 760 (awesome card) but wouldn't want to make her computer better than yours


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157330
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116923
www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139050
case
hdd / ssd
gpu
ram

Sjoe
08-10-2013, 05:41 AM
Sjoe

I just did like 20 edits, one of which included a GPU.

Expensive one :o

#Yohojo4UnwillingPostRemoving (http://villavu.com/forum/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=Yohojo4UnwillingPostRemoving)

DrChill
08-10-2013, 05:59 AM
Expensive one :o

#Yohojo4UnwillingPostRemoving (http://villavu.com/forum/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=Yohojo4UnwillingPostRemoving)

Sjoe
#WhatHasBeenSeenCannotBeUnseen (http://villavu.com/forum/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=WhatHasBeenSeenCannotBeUnseen)

Squeezing in the GPU was fun, although whether or not it is viable depends on whether or not you want a CD player + keyboard etc.

The entire process was quite fun, and it's good practice, as I am considering getting a new computer. $700 is a good constraint, not too high, and not too low. I might have gone with Intel, but I'm more familiar with AMD stuff.

Also, dat 3TB HDD.

DrChill
08-10-2013, 06:24 AM
Whew, just made another edit, in which you get 16gb of RAM + GPU + Keyboard etc., due to newegg offering a $240 7950.

#DrChill4ManyEdits (http://villavu.com/forum/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=DrChill4ManyEdits) (What was it, something like that?)

grats
08-10-2013, 11:32 AM
if shes gaming, better off with an i3

Austin
08-10-2013, 06:44 PM
How much storage do you think she'll need?

YoHoJo
08-10-2013, 06:53 PM
Hey guys not able to access my home computer so I'll check out the builds and suggestions in more depth later.
I'm leaning towards an Intel build unless the latest AMDs or APUs are better than Sandy Bridge stuff, no need for Haswell IMO for her, plus Sandy will be cheaper (or is Ivy the one right before Haswell?)

Storage wise, she could be just fine with 500G I bet, 1TB would be plenty!

grats
08-10-2013, 07:04 PM
Hey guys not able to access my home computer so I'll check out the builds and suggestions in more depth later.
I'm leaning towards an Intel build unless the latest AMDs or APUs are better than Sandy Bridge stuff, no need for Haswell IMO for her, plus Sandy will be cheaper (or is Ivy the one right before Haswell?)

Storage wise, she could be just fine with 500G I bet, 1TB would be plenty!

ivy

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136533

get that with the promo code.. now imo, awesome deal, blacks are very high performance

Austin
08-10-2013, 07:08 PM
Hey guys not able to access my home computer so I'll check out the builds and suggestions in more depth later.
I'm leaning towards an Intel build unless the latest AMDs or APUs are better than Sandy Bridge stuff, no need for Haswell IMO for her, plus Sandy will be cheaper (or is Ivy the one right before Haswell?)

Storage wise, she could be just fine with 500G I bet, 1TB would be plenty!

Ivy is the one before Haswell.

This is what I came up with:

PCPartPicker part list (http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1qrNR) / Price breakdown by merchant (http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1qrNR/by_merchant/) / Benchmarks (http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1qrNR/benchmarks/)

CPU: Intel Core i3-3220 3.3GHz Dual-Core Processor (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80637i33220) ($118.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock H77M Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asrock-motherboard-h77m) ($69.99 @ Microcenter)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gskill-memory-f312800cl8d8gbrm) ($73.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Kingston SSDNow V300 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/kingston-internal-hard-drive-sv300s37a120g) ($89.99 @ Microcenter)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/western-digital-internal-hard-drive-wd5000aakx) ($54.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7870 GHz Edition 2GB Video Card (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/sapphire-video-card-100354oc2l) ($169.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 350D MicroATX Mid Tower Case (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-case-cc9011028ww) ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 500W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-power-supply-cx500) ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $677.91
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-08-10 15:01 EDT-0400)

That build is strictly under the budget. You could add a 7950 for $50 more for better gaming performance. Here's the link (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/sapphire-video-card-1003523l). That CPU/Motherboard combo should work great with gaming. You only need 8GB of RAM at the most for gaming, anymore is overkill. That case is larger than the average Micro ATX case, but it will allow better cable management and airflow. The SSD will help A LOT with speeds/loading times and is pretty much a necessity in any new build imo. You should only need a 500W PSU for that build unless you plan on adding a second GPU or something in the future.

Hope that helped. I can make adjustments to it if you give any more information/needs.

grats
08-10-2013, 07:21 PM
Ivy is the one before Haswell.

This is what I came up with:

PCPartPicker part list (http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1qrNR) / Price breakdown by merchant (http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1qrNR/by_merchant/) / Benchmarks (http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1qrNR/benchmarks/)

CPU: Intel Core i3-3220 3.3GHz Dual-Core Processor (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80637i33220) ($118.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock H77M Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asrock-motherboard-h77m) ($69.99 @ Microcenter)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gskill-memory-f312800cl8d8gbrm) ($73.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Kingston SSDNow V300 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/kingston-internal-hard-drive-sv300s37a120g) ($89.99 @ Microcenter)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/western-digital-internal-hard-drive-wd5000aakx) ($54.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7870 GHz Edition 2GB Video Card (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/sapphire-video-card-100354oc2l) ($169.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 350D MicroATX Mid Tower Case (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-case-cc9011028ww) ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 500W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-power-supply-cx500) ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $677.91
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-08-10 15:01 EDT-0400)

That build is strictly under the budget. You could add a 7950 for $50 more for better gaming performance. Here's the link (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/sapphire-video-card-1003523l). That CPU/Motherboard combo should work great with gaming. You only need 8GB of RAM at the most for gaming, anymore is overkill. That case is larger than the average Micro ATX case, but it will allow better cable management and airflow. The SSD will help A LOT with speeds/loading times and is pretty much a necessity in any new build imo. You should only need a 500W PSU for that build unless you plan on adding a second GPU or something in the future.

Hope that helped. I can make adjustments to it if you give any more information/needs.

best build in thread so far

would probably do cache drive & the WD black I linked instead, for 1TB & about same speeds as that SSD.. but for the entire 1TB

YoHoJo
08-11-2013, 02:41 AM
Thanks a lot Austin; and grats; very close builds to what I was imagining.

I'm actually thinking of going with a Haswell processor because it's just always best to get the newest things if you can to future proof right?

So what's a fair price cedar and solid mobo for a Haswell processor?

Austin
08-11-2013, 04:14 AM
Thanks a lot Austin; and grats; very close builds to what I was imagining.

I'm actually thinking of going with a Haswell processor because it's just always best to get the newest things if you can to future proof right?

So what's a fair price cedar and solid mobo for a Haswell processor?

Here's your best bet at a Haswell build while remaining near your budget:

PCPartPicker parts (http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1qBZL) / Price breakdown by merchant (http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1qBZL/by_merchant/) / Benchmarks (http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1qBZL/benchmarks/)

CPU: Intel Core i5-4430 3.0GHz Quad-Core Processor (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80646i54430) ($183.97 @ Outlet PC)
Motherboard: MSI H87M-G43 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/msi-motherboard-h87mg43) ($79.99 @ NCIX US)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gskill-memory-f312800cl8d8gbrm) ($73.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Kingston SSDNow V300 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/kingston-internal-hard-drive-sv300s37a120g) ($89.99 @ Microcenter)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/western-digital-internal-hard-drive-wd5000aakx) ($54.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7870 GHz Edition 2GB Video Card (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/sapphire-video-card-100354oc2l) ($169.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Fractal Design Core 1000 USB 3.0 MicroATX Mid Tower Case (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/fractal-design-case-fdcacore1000usb3bl) ($29.99 @ Microcenter)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 500W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-power-supply-cx500) ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $712.89
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-08-11 00:07 EDT-0400)

I cut back on the case to get closer to your $700. That case gets great reviews for being a budget case. Here's some other ones as well:

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/cooler-master-case-nse200kkn1

Just for a different look. Gets the same great reviews.

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/antec-case-vsk3000

Even cheaper and will get you closer to your budget. However it gets worse reviews.

YoHoJo
08-11-2013, 05:51 AM
Thanks everyone, how's this?
Critiques?
PCPartPicker part list (http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1qE18) / Price breakdown by merchant (http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1qE18/by_merchant/) / Benchmarks (http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1qE18/benchmarks/)

CPU: Intel Core i5-4430 3.0GHz Quad-Core Processor (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80646i54430) ($189.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B85-HD3 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gigabyte-motherboard-gab85hd3) ($86.78 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gskill-memory-f312800cl9d8gbsr) ($70.51 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/seagate-internal-hard-drive-st1000dm003) ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: HIS Radeon HD 7870 2GB Video Card (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/his-video-card-h787f2g2m) ($195.28 @ Amazon)
Case: Apevia X-Trooper (Black/Green) ATX Mid Tower Case (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/apevia-case-xtrpgn) ($74.50 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 500W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V Power Supply (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-power-supply-cmpsu500cxv2) ($34.23 @ Newegg)
Total: $727.10
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-08-11 02:01 EDT-0400)


I know that the case case is not compatible with the mobo,I'll have my sister scope out some other one that she likes instead.
Besides that what do you all think?

Nebula
08-11-2013, 06:01 AM
#YoHoJo4Admin (http://villavu.com/forum/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=YoHoJo4Admin)

go for this case, it's like the best ever
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119233&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=

grats
08-11-2013, 03:19 PM
Thanks a lot Austin; and grats; very close builds to what I was imagining.

I'm actually thinking of going with a Haswell processor because it's just always best to get the newest things if you can to future proof right?

So what's a fair price cedar and solid mobo for a Haswell processor?

haswell provides no future proofing benefits over ivy


Thanks everyone, how's this?
Critiques?
PCPartPicker part list (http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1qE18) / Price breakdown by merchant (http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1qE18/by_merchant/) / Benchmarks (http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1qE18/benchmarks/)

CPU: Intel Core i5-4430 3.0GHz Quad-Core Processor (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80646i54430) ($189.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B85-HD3 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gigabyte-motherboard-gab85hd3) ($86.78 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gskill-memory-f312800cl9d8gbsr) ($70.51 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/seagate-internal-hard-drive-st1000dm003) ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: HIS Radeon HD 7870 2GB Video Card (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/his-video-card-h787f2g2m) ($195.28 @ Amazon)
Case: Apevia X-Trooper (Black/Green) ATX Mid Tower Case (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/apevia-case-xtrpgn) ($74.50 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 500W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V Power Supply (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-power-supply-cmpsu500cxv2) ($34.23 @ Newegg)
Total: $727.10
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-08-11 02:01 EDT-0400)


I know that the case case is not compatible with the mobo,I'll have my sister scope out some other one that she likes instead.
Besides that what do you all think?

looks good
that case IS compatible with that motherboard, fyi
both ATX

Austin
08-11-2013, 06:07 PM
Thanks everyone, how's this?
Critiques?
PCPartPicker part list (http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1qE18) / Price breakdown by merchant (http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1qE18/by_merchant/) / Benchmarks (http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1qE18/benchmarks/)

CPU: Intel Core i5-4430 3.0GHz Quad-Core Processor (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80646i54430) ($189.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B85-HD3 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gigabyte-motherboard-gab85hd3) ($86.78 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gskill-memory-f312800cl9d8gbsr) ($70.51 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/seagate-internal-hard-drive-st1000dm003) ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: HIS Radeon HD 7870 2GB Video Card (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/his-video-card-h787f2g2m) ($195.28 @ Amazon)
Case: Apevia X-Trooper (Black/Green) ATX Mid Tower Case (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/apevia-case-xtrpgn) ($74.50 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 500W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V Power Supply (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-power-supply-cmpsu500cxv2) ($34.23 @ Newegg)
Total: $727.10
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-08-11 02:01 EDT-0400)


I know that the case case is not compatible with the mobo,I'll have my sister scope out some other one that she likes instead.
Besides that what do you all think?

Looks good, except I would still recommend getting the 7870 GHz edition over the normal 7870. The one I posted is cheaper and performs better as well ;).

And make sure to post your finished build on PCPartPicker so we can check it out!

grats
08-11-2013, 06:14 PM
yea ghz versions are good (I didn't even look at that part)

sapphire is doing very good with its gpus too

YoHoJo
08-12-2013, 12:13 AM
Final build.
PCPartPicker part list (http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1qTJo) / Price breakdown by merchant (http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1qTJo/by_merchant/) / Benchmarks (http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1qTJo/benchmarks/)

CPU: Intel Core i5-4430 3.0GHz Quad-Core Processor (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80646i54430) ($189.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B85-HD3 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gigabyte-motherboard-gab85hd3) ($86.78 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gskill-memory-f312800cl9d8gbsr) ($70.51 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/seagate-internal-hard-drive-st1000dm003) ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: HIS Radeon HD 7870 2GB Video Card (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/his-video-card-h787f2g2m) ($195.28 @ Amazon)
Case: Raidmax ATX-502WBG ATX Mid Tower Case (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/raidmax-case-atx502wbg) ($82.80 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 500W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V Power Supply (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-power-supply-cmpsu500cxv2) ($34.23 @ Newegg)
Total: $735.40
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-08-11 20:13 EDT-0400)

How does it look?

rj
08-12-2013, 12:38 AM
Final build.
PCPartPicker part list (http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1qTJo) / Price breakdown by merchant (http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1qTJo/by_merchant/) / Benchmarks (http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1qTJo/benchmarks/)

CPU: Intel Core i5-4430 3.0GHz Quad-Core Processor (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80646i54430) ($189.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B85-HD3 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gigabyte-motherboard-gab85hd3) ($86.78 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gskill-memory-f312800cl9d8gbsr) ($70.51 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/seagate-internal-hard-drive-st1000dm003) ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: HIS Radeon HD 7870 2GB Video Card (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/his-video-card-h787f2g2m) ($195.28 @ Amazon)
Case: Raidmax ATX-502WBG ATX Mid Tower Case (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/raidmax-case-atx502wbg) ($82.80 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 500W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V Power Supply (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-power-supply-cmpsu500cxv2) ($34.23 @ Newegg)
Total: $735.40
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-08-11 20:13 EDT-0400)

How does it look?

Looks pretty good!

cause
08-12-2013, 02:30 AM
Final build.
PCPartPicker part list (http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1qTJo) / Price breakdown by merchant (http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1qTJo/by_merchant/) / Benchmarks (http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1qTJo/benchmarks/)

CPU: Intel Core i5-4430 3.0GHz Quad-Core Processor (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80646i54430) ($189.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B85-HD3 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gigabyte-motherboard-gab85hd3) ($86.78 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gskill-memory-f312800cl9d8gbsr) ($70.51 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/seagate-internal-hard-drive-st1000dm003) ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: HIS Radeon HD 7870 2GB Video Card (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/his-video-card-h787f2g2m) ($195.28 @ Amazon)
Case: Raidmax ATX-502WBG ATX Mid Tower Case (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/raidmax-case-atx502wbg) ($82.80 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 500W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V Power Supply (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-power-supply-cmpsu500cxv2) ($34.23 @ Newegg)
Total: $735.40
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-08-11 20:13 EDT-0400)

How does it look?

I would go with Austin's build, your sister doesn't need a quadcore, save some dough and get the i3. Then get the cached harddrive that grats mentioned and spend the dollars you just saved on the better graphics card. In terms of performance that is your best bang for buck for gaming and regular browsing. Realistically even if your sister has some GoPro footage or uses window's movie maker the i3 will still be plenty good.

YoHoJo
08-12-2013, 04:23 AM
cause;
What's the diff between grats' and mine, seems all same specs to me but mine is cheaper.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136533
vs
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148840


Also (just based on feelings) 4 cores just seems better overall anyways, I'm sure games and other things will be able to utilize the extra cores and whatnot vs a 2 core i3 right?

Is an i3 really good enough (assume a great video card) for all gaming situations etc.?

4 core just seems like a nice solid number vs 2.


grats; about the mobo and case, PCPP said that the case didn't have USB 3.0 header and the mobo did/support it. That's all. So better to get a case which could do that, yeh?


Here is the build as of now (same as before, added a different case)
PCPartPicker part list (http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1qE18) / Price breakdown by merchant (http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1qE18/by_merchant/) / Benchmarks (http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1qE18/benchmarks/)

CPU: Intel Core i5-4430 3.0GHz Quad-Core Processor (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80646i54430) ($189.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B85-HD3 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gigabyte-motherboard-gab85hd3) ($86.78 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gskill-memory-f312800cl9d8gbsr) ($70.51 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/seagate-internal-hard-drive-st1000dm003) ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: HIS Radeon HD 7870 2GB Video Card (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/his-video-card-h787f2g2m) ($195.28 @ Amazon)
Case: Apevia X-Trooper (Black/Green) ATX Mid Tower Case (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/apevia-case-xtrpgn) ($74.50 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 500W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V Power Supply (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-power-supply-cmpsu500cxv2) ($34.23 @ Newegg)
Total: $727.10
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-08-12 00:23 EDT-0400)

cause
08-12-2013, 04:40 AM
YoHoJo
http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20130506235713AAPoiwn (lol@yahoo answers but still a good answer)(and only 3 months old)

The i3 from Austin is: $118.19 and the motherboard he quotes is $69.99 for a total savings of $88.59...but I see you are ok with going over your budget for that next step up GPU. In which case renders my point moot :P. (Although you could still go the next step up from that one with the 88.59 savings...)
EDIT: I will say if I was building a computer for MY personal use I would go with your setup but I don't really see a 14 year old girl doing much heavy duty botting or video editing.

grats
08-12-2013, 12:29 PM
cause;
What's the diff between grats' and mine, seems all same specs to me but mine is cheaper.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136533
vs
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148840


Also (just based on feelings) 4 cores just seems better overall anyways, I'm sure games and other things will be able to utilize the extra cores and whatnot vs a 2 core i3 right?

Is an i3 really good enough (assume a great video card) for all gaming situations etc.?

4 core just seems like a nice solid number vs 2.


grats; about the mobo and case, PCPP said that the case didn't have USB 3.0 header and the mobo did/support it. That's all. So better to get a case which could do that, yeh?


Here is the build as of now (same as before, added a different case)
PCPartPicker part list (http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1qE18) / Price breakdown by merchant (http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1qE18/by_merchant/) / Benchmarks (http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1qE18/benchmarks/)

CPU: Intel Core i5-4430 3.0GHz Quad-Core Processor (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80646i54430) ($189.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B85-HD3 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gigabyte-motherboard-gab85hd3) ($86.78 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gskill-memory-f312800cl9d8gbsr) ($70.51 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/seagate-internal-hard-drive-st1000dm003) ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: HIS Radeon HD 7870 2GB Video Card (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/his-video-card-h787f2g2m) ($195.28 @ Amazon)
Case: Apevia X-Trooper (Black/Green) ATX Mid Tower Case (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/apevia-case-xtrpgn) ($74.50 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 500W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V Power Supply (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-power-supply-cmpsu500cxv2) ($34.23 @ Newegg)
Total: $727.10
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-08-12 00:23 EDT-0400)

Doesn't really matter, you probably won't use all the usb 3.0's anyway

and the drive I linked, WD black series are top tier 7200rpm drives, they're extremely high performance.. enterprise level.
that one was on sale for $75 so it was an awesome deal, looks like it's over the sale

Turpinator
08-12-2013, 05:24 PM
As an added bonus, you should also have your sister pick out the components. Thats the majority of the building process right there. Figuring out what goes with what, what will work well, etc.

You should go through the posted builds and make notes on them, then sit down with her and build one up, post it here and then everyone can offer feedback/change it to improve/etc.

I realize it is a little confusing though as to what parts are compatible and such, but if you use pcpartpicker, it should filter everything out that isnt. as well as it has a nice order of operations in how you should build a pc.

grats
08-12-2013, 08:08 PM
As an added bonus, you should also have your sister pick out the components. Thats the majority of the building process right there. Figuring out what goes with what, what will work well, etc.

You should go through the posted builds and make notes on them, then sit down with her and build one up, post it here and then everyone can offer feedback/change it to improve/etc.

I realize it is a little confusing though as to what parts are compatible and such, but if you use pcpartpicker, it should filter everything out that isnt. as well as it has a nice order of operations in how you should build a pc.

These days it really isn't confusing at all.. what do you have to match, cpu & cpu socket? Almost everything else will work, it's close to impossible to pick the wrong ram, you have to go back in time to get the incorrect ddr

Turpinator
08-12-2013, 08:32 PM
These days it really isn't confusing at all.. what do you have to match, cpu & cpu socket? Almost everything else will work, it's close to impossible to pick the wrong ram, you have to go back in time to get the incorrect ddr

Thats the beauty of it. People think its confusing, so then its confusing to them. (i havent gotten into amd sockets much, but those are a little confusing to me. they seem fairly 'backwards' compatible?)

Austin
08-12-2013, 08:44 PM
These days it really isn't confusing at all.. what do you have to match, cpu & cpu socket? Almost everything else will work, it's close to impossible to pick the wrong ram, you have to go back in time to get the incorrect ddr

Yep, this is the Golden Age for PC builders. Everything's so easy and we have so many choices. ;)

grats
08-12-2013, 10:03 PM
Thats the beauty of it. People think its confusing, so then its confusing to them. (i havent gotten into amd sockets much, but those are a little confusing to me. they seem fairly 'backwards' compatible?)

amd is far easier than intel

non server, at least

socket / CPU(s)

AM2 = AM2

AM2+ = AM2 & AM2+

same for AM3..

AM3 = AM3

AM3+ = AM3 & AM3+

of course, there are those AM3 sockets that can handle the + with the bios upgrades

YoHoJo
08-14-2013, 08:26 PM
Going to order this in a few hours.
Speak now or forever hold your peace.


PCPartPicker part list (http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1rWYw) / Price breakdown by merchant (http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1rWYw/by_merchant/) / Benchmarks (http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1rWYw/benchmarks/)

CPU: Intel Core i5-4430 3.0GHz Quad-Core Processor (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80646i54430) ($189.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z87 Pro3 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asrock-motherboard-z87pro3) ($94.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gskill-memory-f312800cl9d8gbsr) ($70.51 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/western-digital-internal-hard-drive-wd10ezex) ($59.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7870 GHz Edition 2GB Video Card (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/sapphire-video-card-100354oc2l) ($191.38 @ Newegg)
Case: Raidmax ATX-502WBG ATX Mid Tower Case (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/raidmax-case-atx502wbg) ($82.80 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 500W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V Power Supply (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-power-supply-cmpsu500cxv2) ($34.23 @ Newegg)
Total: $733.53
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-08-14 16:25 EDT-0400)

Kevin
08-14-2013, 08:52 PM
Speak now or forever hold your peace.

But I love you!

cause
08-15-2013, 03:34 AM
Going to order this in a few hours.
Speak now or forever hold your peace.


PCPartPicker part list (http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1rWYw) / Price breakdown by merchant (http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1rWYw/by_merchant/) / Benchmarks (http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1rWYw/benchmarks/)

CPU: Intel Core i5-4430 3.0GHz Quad-Core Processor (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80646i54430) ($189.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z87 Pro3 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asrock-motherboard-z87pro3) ($94.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gskill-memory-f312800cl9d8gbsr) ($70.51 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/western-digital-internal-hard-drive-wd10ezex) ($59.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7870 GHz Edition 2GB Video Card (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/sapphire-video-card-100354oc2l) ($191.38 @ Newegg)
Case: Raidmax ATX-502WBG ATX Mid Tower Case (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/raidmax-case-atx502wbg) ($82.80 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 500W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V Power Supply (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-power-supply-cmpsu500cxv2) ($34.23 @ Newegg)
Total: $733.53
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-08-14 16:25 EDT-0400)

Go with: Core i5 3570 instead of the 4430, 0.4 Ghz more per core
http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i5-4430-vs-Intel-Core-i5-3570

YoHoJo
08-15-2013, 03:57 AM
Go with: Core i5 3570 instead of the 4430, 0.4 Ghz more per core
http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i5-4430-vs-Intel-Core-i5-3570

Good call, but too late :/, thanks.

Also it costs $10 more, and the one I got was on a combo with the mobo for $15 off.
So overall getting the 3750 would cost me $25 more.



ORDEREDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

cause
08-16-2013, 01:18 AM
good call, but too late :/, thanks.

Also it costs $10 more, and the one i got was on a combo with the mobo for $15 off.
So overall getting the 3750 would cost me $25 more.



ordereddddddddddddddddddddddd
aight fine good im glad im just so glad

grats
08-16-2013, 01:32 AM
in this case yes, however a lot of the time just "more ghz" doesn't make a processor better

fyi @ everyone

also he didn't want ivy

cause
08-16-2013, 03:09 AM
in this case yes, however a lot of the time just "more ghz" doesn't make a processor better

fyi @ everyone

also he didn't want ivy

Ya crude description on my part

grats
08-16-2013, 04:47 AM
Ya crude description on my part

I would have went with the K tbh, might as well at that point

but he wanted haswell

YoHoJo
08-20-2013, 08:35 AM
It's built! We (she, under my supervision) did it!

Sister literally passed out on the ground from exhaustion while I was installing the LAN drivers, plus she has school tomorrow.
So tomorrow morning/after school she'll really get to actually enjoy it.


Build went perfectly without a hitch (amazingly!)
Also for a 'budget case' this case is REALLY AWESOME, so many little things about it I enjoyed!


I'll update you all tomorrow with more details and a few pictures too, thank you all again.

Austin
08-20-2013, 12:08 PM
It's built! We (she, under my supervision) did it!

Sister literally passed out on the ground from exhaustion while I was installing the LAN drivers, plus she has school tomorrow.
So tomorrow morning/after school she'll really get to actually enjoy it.


Build went perfectly without a hitch (amazingly!)
Also for a 'budget case' this case is REALLY AWESOME, so many little things about it I enjoyed!


I'll update you all tomorrow with more details and a few pictures too, thank you all again.

Woah, 1-day ship much?

Anyways, congrats! Will be waiting to see the pics.