SCAR vs IBOT

[dungto]

Whichis less detectable? can someone tell me the advantages and disavantage?

[Starblaster100]

There are lots of arguments for an against.

SCAR is written in Delphi, iBot in Java - Generally Java is more powerful than Delphi
SCAR is less detectable than iBot
There are many many more scripts for SCAR compared to iBot since iBot is Pay to use.
iBot is new and impsoft don't have the *best* of reputations, but i know Ruler Eric has been working extremely hard on this and i've heard many good things about it.

It really comes down to your preferences.

impsoft.net to learn more about iBot

[Bebe]

Basically what Starblaster100 said.

I have heard it is easer to write scripts in iBot also, but I have never used it so I can't confirm that. Although that is generally the case with a Java bot.

[Wanted]

Whichis less detectable? can someone tell me the advantages and disavantage?

Read this, http://www.impwiki.org/wiki/index.php?title=IBot

Also read this, http://www.impwiki.org/wiki/index.php?title=SCAR_Overview
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I would have to say SCAR is less detectable since it simulates the actual thing but who knows for sure...

I think that they are both so undetectable that it all comes down on how humanly the script operates. If SCAR or iBot is less more detectable than the other one than it's only by a tiny bit and like I said it's about the script in this comparison not so much the program itself. Just keep in mind that in order to get the non-crappy iBot you have to contribute to that community or pay a fee of RL money (there is also a way to pay with RS Mil read around at the forums).

Attributing to what you have already read, there are many fewer scripts for iBot since it's paywhere and SCAR is open to the public. It also takes more time to learn how to program it (script) then it would to learn how to script in SCAR.

Which ever one you use, just keep in mind that you should always respect the other community even if you think your auto is better.

[Jason2gs]

From reading so far, it seems that no one here is against iBot. (?)

I've always thought that iBot was just another RSDemon. Something to run dozens of accounts on at once.

Is that the case, or is it basically the same as SCAR, except you have to pay for it, and it's Java-Based?

[Wanted]

From reading so far, it seems that no one here is against iBot. (?)

I've always thought that iBot was just another RSDemon. Something to run dozens of accounts on at once.

Is that the case, or is it basically the same as SCAR, except you have to pay for it, and it's Java-Based?


No,

RSDemon is an evil powerful machine that ruins Free player worlds with massives of level 3 default cloths players.

No one here has anything against iBot, or even ARGA for the most part...

Learn more about this visit

http://www.impwiki.org/wiki/index.php?title=All_Known_Bots

Also if your curious about what iBot is then read the wiki.

[WT-Fakawi]

No, nobody here is against iBot. That would be stupid and unfundamented. Truth is, iBot is or will become more powerfull then SCAR, BUT.... you will need to pay for it.
There is a free iBot (lite) , but that doesnt offer you full antirandoms so IMHO, that is useless, but that maybe's just me :)
About undetectability, all I can say, it is in rulers greatest interest to keep things as undetectable as possible, or he would loose all his credentials. As far as SCAR is concerned, we all know it's the scripts that make it detectable, but hopefully this goes for iBot too. I have never worked or even seen iBot working, I am simply not willing to pay for something like that, I do however monitor iBot's progress by lurking @ impsoft. :)

SCAR vs. iBot. There are many threads @ impsoft telling how good iBot is, and how SRL sucks etc., but I know better than that... Without SRL, there wouldnt have been a iBot and they know it. Shouting your better is reverse psychology, but I dont really want to say to much more about that.

ruler and genodemon do a great job at impsoft, they have their profit, we are on good terms, and we stay on good terms, end-of-story.

Wanna see how iBot works? Go see it yourself: IMPSoft (www.impsoft.net)

[omgh4x0rz]

As fawki said, ibot definately has the potential to be more powerful because of java. You can do multi-threaded scripts with java which would allow you to search for anti-randoms, auto-respond and auto all at the same time. Scar can't do that.

[seaking]

iBot will eventually be more powerful, however the only thing really holding it back is that it is coded in something not many people know.

There are few scripters for iBot, thus few scripts. If iBot was as well known / used as SCAR, there would be many more scripts and many more uses.

It has much more potential, but SCAR is much easier to use atm.

[Yakman]

Ibot can also do reflection to find out its current position in the rs world, and it makes it a bit easier to walk,

I just think Scar and Ibot are two ways of tackling the same challange,

[Rune Hacker]

ibot will be much better for autoing runescape since it was made for runescape, but scar can do much more, it can make scripts for other games, and MUCH easier to script(from what ive seen). Ibot does look nice and i might try it later, but looks hard to script(since i know nothing about java) and i would love if i could get a hold of the pro version.

But overal, i think Scar with Srl is the best because it is easy to script, good community, A LOT of scripts for everything, while ibot has very few good scripts. I would liek to try it out though since it was made for runescape specificaly.

[I Karma I]

SCAR will always be for me, way easier to learn it.

[wired16]

SCAR will always be for me, way easier to learn it.

agreed :D

[Starblaster100]

But overal, i think Scar with Srl is the best because it is easy to script, good community, ...

Thats what really does it for me.
If Impsoft were to sort out their forums, and their community, I think they could be much more popular.

[I.F.reaper]

personally i like IBot better than scar. But scar is a lot less detectable UNLESS you cut yews.. That the #1 banner. I cut yews for 3 hrs = banned :{

So Scar is good for me and Ibot so i use both but i never cut yews anymore. So scar is still #1 until jagex find out how to stop RSDemon then they gonna come in and knock on our doors


IBot is easier to script. Im trying to script it BUT the guide to scripting it is kind of out of place. It doesn't Fully Explain it. Although its good scar is easier to RUN

[Wizzup?]

Color Recognition:

* Ability to return arrays of all matches

Doesn't scar do that too? (the quote is from iBot wiki at page iBot)
FindColorsTolerance.

[Xeon]

Well people keep saying iBot will become or is more powerful than SCAR, from what I understand SCAR is being continued by Freddy1990, who says scar will stay a color bot forever?

[omgh4x0rz]

who says scar will stay a color bot forever?

Because that's what color-bot's do.

I doubt freddy is planning on rewriting scar's entire source code just to make a client-hacking bot that will get smashed with every update.

[joshie]

Color Recognition:

* Ability to return arrays of all matches

Doesn't scar do that too? (the quote is from iBot wiki at page iBot)
FindColorsTolerance.


it dosent say scar dosent do that... or did i miss something :rolleyes:

[kooldude]

Well people keep saying iBot will become or is more powerful than SCAR, from what I understand SCAR is being continued by Freddy1990, who says scar will stay a color bot forever?


Well like i said in other topics, we respect jagex, If we ended up not going with a color system, We'd become a "RSDEMON". I think we should just progress in our color system. :P i think its working fine:f:

[TheGuyWhoGotOn]

I think SCAR will always be liked more, I've seen Ibot's forums. They are full of flamers and such, SCAR forums like SRL and Freddy1990's site are more community friendly. As long as SCAR keeps up more scripters than Ibot it will probably stay big.

However I will admit I am a bit curious of how to work Ibot, I would like the pay version but until it shows that it is 100% easy AND 100% customizable so that you can do basically anything with it...well I thin I'll ave my money and just have fun with SCAR.

[alach11]

I also think that the SCAR SRL community is much more pleasant and stable than impsoft. They have adds in the posts, and a pay bot will probably be leaked and the auth system tampered with at some point. The fact that geno wants profit from the bot reduces the community in a way.

[Smartzkid]

iBot is far more powerful than SCAR. The only thing I see keeping it from being adopted more widely is the rude forums and the cost.

SCAR could be made to work with threads btw. If Freddy doesn't do it sometime, I may learn Delphi just so I can make a plugin to do it....we'll have to see.

I have trust in Freddy to do it eventually.

[Xeon]

Well I'm saying, SCAR could add new features in addition to it's current ones such as reflection as Yakman said to find your exact cordinates.

With a good plan scar and iBot could be combined, I think I've heard something about iScar but I really don't what that is, and I don't really know what I'm talking about since I don't play runescape.

I have been lurking on these communites for a very long time, and as I've seen bots come and go SCAR has always stayed strong.

I've been learning many programming languages for a long time and noticed that SCAR has much greater potentail than it's being used for. Even more advanced scripters such as the developers aren't fully utilizing the power of the advanced logic possibilites.

SCAR has more potentail than many of you know -.-

If iBot weren't paywhere I would definatly take a shot at trying to program it.

[TheGuyWhoGotOn]

iBot is far more powerful than SCAR. The only thing I see keeping it from being adopted more widely is the rude forums and the cost.

SCAR could be made to work with threads btw. If Freddy doesn't do it sometime, I may learn Delphi just so I can make a plugin to do it....we'll have to see.

I have trust in Freddy to do it eventually.

May I ask, what do threads do? What are they? I've read suggestions for them...

[Smartzkid]

They let you do more than one thing at once.

Such as

Antirandoms
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[TheGuyWhoGotOn]

They let you do more than one thing at once.

Such as

Antirandoms
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So for example it could click and type at the same time? Or if it does things at the same time...like clicks 2 things at once, wouldn't that make scripts detectable?

[ruler]

Thanks for the comments.

With the next release the randoms on both pro and lite will be the same. However scripts will be largly private with most scripts being private. Easier to debug randoms when everyone has the same set.

Ya i understand their really is a huge lack of information about iBot. This is mostly my fault. The system is constantly evolving. Where as SCAR is pretty much a standard, any design changes to SCAR would result in too big of a back lash in broken scripts etc.

iBot is now a hybrid bot. It combines color recognition with some client reading. We currently read 3 things, A Setting Array, Player World Map X and Y.

The stuff a Color Bot can do easily is hard for a Client Edit bot that uses the mouse/keyboard for input.

The same can be said for a Color Bot they have trouble map walking when map walking is one of the easiest for a bot that has access to the players location to do.

You can read more information about the new design here:
it is not out yet!
http://www.rscheata.net/tp/index.php/board,149.0.html


Scripting is rather easier. The System is not a general solution, it is specifically built for runescape. Every piece of it.

You all mention iBot payable, we offer iBot lite which is free.

[WT-Fakawi]

Thanks for the comments.

With the next release the randoms on both pro and lite will be the same. However scripts will be largly private with most scripts being private. Easier to debug randoms when everyone has the same set.
That is a very wise decision. iBot scripting is finally meaningful to a large community. Thank you.


Scripting is rather easier. The System is not a general solution, it is specifically built for runescape. Every piece of it. iBot has, as I have said before, great potential and you are still doing one hell of a job. To what extent do you believe the "client reading" makes iBot detectable? To the same extend as SCAR? If so, releasing it free to the public might well be another break-through in scripting.., but if not. Let me put it this way:


has their been any significant iBot related bans on your forum?
Could a Jagex Update make iBot suddenly detecable?
Does it need to be updated (by you) every time Runescape updates?


I a way we are constantly faced with sortlike problems, like Bankscreen shifts, and varrock updates, but the SRL-community is hyperalert on any small change that occur in the interface, and we can quickly adept since code comes rushing in from all directions on the board :)


Fawk!

[solarwind]

Brace yourselves, there will be a revolution for SCAR sooner than you think ;)

[ruler]

1. no significant bans.
2. Yes Jagex could update the client and attempt to detect iBot by scanning what Threads are running in the JVM. Also alot of similar ways like the one above. However they have never done that to previous java bots over the many years they have existed. Instead they have relied on mouse, focus monitoring, ect. But these potential issues can all be countered, not by modifying the client but instead the Java classes the client calls.
3. The client reading is a two-part system. One part is activated after the applet loads. It seeks out the jar file, rs signed applet leaves in the file system. It reads the byte's of the file and thru BCEL patterns made by mostly pplsuqballz and some by regex determines which class files and fields contain data we seek. The next part is reflection framework i made that finds these class/fields in the client then lets scripts aquire the data.

Sometimes the first part fails! in that event, i use my reflection explorer and monitor values in the client when i walk to find the values i seek. I then update the bot with a hard coded value. Other people have sometimes updated it themselves without me!

Ya i see them updating color stuff alot! for me its just walking to the places that changes and writing down a RGB or two.

g2g, will add more in a few hours.

[Janilabo]

Brace yourselves, there will be a revolution for SCAR sooner than you think ;)I really doubt that.. Many people use SCAR for other things than RuneScape - yes, I am 1 of those people... ;) It just has so many uses.. Works for alot of things. :stirthepot:

But you know, it's just cool Ruler is doing a VERY good job with iBot. ..as it's always good that there are alternative macros. --> SCAR has been many times the only public macro that has worked, when bots have died because of updates. You just should be happy the way RuneScape cheating right now is, I can see it's doing pretty well.

For games that I play, there aren't any great macros.. Well, not at least any (known) public ones, so I had to start learning SCAR scripting months ago. Now I am very happy that I did, I find scripting with SCAR fun and challengive.

[solarwind]

I really doubt that.. Many people use SCAR for other things than RuneScape - yes, I am 1 of those people... ;) It just has so many uses.. Works for alot of things. :stirthepot:

But you know, it's just cool Ruler is doing a VERY good job with iBot. ..as it's always good that there are alternative macros. --> SCAR has been many times the only public macro that has worked, when bots have died because of updates. You just should be happy the way RuneScape cheating right now is, I can see it's doing pretty well.

For games that I play, there aren't any great macros.. Well, not at least any (known) public ones, so I had to start learning SCAR scripting months ago. Now I am very happy that I did, I find scripting with SCAR fun and challengive.


LOL WTF R U SAYIN'? I mean for the good of SCAR. Benland100 and I have been working on a secret and very very powerful project for SCAR. If he'd get on MSN, we can release it today...


Also, people, please read your facts about iBot at the wiki (link is in my sig). Don't make smart ass assumptions when you know very little about Java or the client. Please, don't embarrass yourselves.

Also, I have never gotten any character banned while heavily autoing on iBot, whereas SCAR/SRL got me banned within a few hours. Both are competent bots, that's why BenLand100 and I are about to release our secret project for SCAR, in the hopes it will help you all.

[Ejjman]

Also, people, please read your facts about iBot at the wiki (link is in my sig). Don't make smart ass assumptions when you know very little about Java or the client. Please, don't embarrass yourselves.

Haha, remember that thread and I think you got banned for some time cuz you COMPLETELY made that off of your own mind?

[Smartzkid]

our secret project for SCAR

Will there be a similar project unveiled for iBot, or does iBot already have it?


PS: Nice avatar

[solarwind]

Haha, remember that thread and I think you got banned for some time cuz you COMPLETELY made that off of your own mind?

Haha, remember when I really didn't care weather I got banned or not, because iBot is perfect for me and I'm relally good at scripting? Anyway, let's not turn this into a personal attack.


Q(WT-Fakawi) & A(solarwind)

Q: Has their been any significant iBot related bans on your forum?
A: No, and there will never be one, most likely, because iBot is mostly a COLOUR BOT LIKE SCAR. Well, we use a tiny bit of reflection for walking, but that is VERY undetectable. There has never been a mass ban on our forum.

Q: Could a Jagex Update make iBot suddenly detecable?
A: Hella doubt it. If it did, SCAR would be detectable too, if you're talking on the lines of colour. However, if you mean on the lines of reflection, then yes, but that is a very very very low chance.

Q: Does it need to be updated (by you) every time Runescape
updates?
A: No, the only components of the bot that would ever need "updating" are the reflection parts. And for that, we have dynamic updaters that do it automatically.

[Xeon]

Solar, I don't think it's a very good idea to tell people about a secret project, I have experienced that problem and even ruined other peoples rep over it because it was never released or at least not to the public.

Just to advise you to be carefull from my own experience....

Also, when you say a 'revolution of scar' I often think that the return of Kaitnieks is near and that as history repeats another mass ban will be in our myste.

Hopefully this generation will not make the same mistakes as the last.

-XEON

[solarwind]

Solar, I don't think it's a very good idea to tell people about a secret project, I have experienced that problem and even ruined other peoples rep over it because it was never released or at least not to the public.

Just to advise you to be carefull from my own experience....

Also, when you say a 'revolution of scar' I often think that the return of Kaitnieks is near and that as history repeats another mass ban will be in our myste.

Hopefully this generation will not make the same mistakes as the last.

-XEON



Thank you for that much appreciated and insightful comment. However, I'm pretty damn sure about the project and know a tad bit more about it than you. So if you'd please just keep the negative comments to yourself, that'd be great. Also, you do not understand the concept of mass bans, obviously?

[Janilabo]

Sorry, totally my bad solar. :p It's late over here, so I am "a bit" tired :D I didn't take time to actually think what are you saying... ..and I guess I am also way too used to see you dissing SCAR, but you really do seem to be changed man now.. :)

Peace,

Jnlb (h)

[solarwind]

Sorry, totally my bad solar. :p It's late over here, so I am "a bit" tired :D I didn't take time to actually think what are you saying... ..and I guess I am also way too used to see you dissing SCAR, but you really do seem to be changed man now.. :)

Peace,

Jnlb (h)

Yes, I did stop the dissing of SCAR. No good can come out of it... Anyway, you'll see the secret project released soon.

[TheGuyWhoGotOn]

Thanks for the comments.

With the next release the randoms on both pro and lite will be the same. However scripts will be largly private with most scripts being private. Easier to debug randoms when everyone has the same set.

Ya i understand their really is a huge lack of information about iBot. This is mostly my fault. The system is constantly evolving. Where as SCAR is pretty much a standard, any design changes to SCAR would result in too big of a back lash in broken scripts etc.

iBot is now a hybrid bot. It combines color recognition with some client reading. We currently read 3 things, A Setting Array, Player World Map X and Y.

The stuff a Color Bot can do easily is hard for a Client Edit bot that uses the mouse/keyboard for input.

The same can be said for a Color Bot they have trouble map walking when map walking is one of the easiest for a bot that has access to the players location to do.

You can read more information about the new design here:
it is not out yet!
http://www.rscheata.net/tp/index.php/board,149.0.html


Scripting is rather easier. The System is not a general solution, it is specifically built for runescape. Every piece of it.

You all mention iBot payable, we offer iBot lite which is free.

What are the differences between IBot payed, and IBot lite?

[solarwind]

You can see the differences on the forum at www.rscheata.net

[Xeon]

I wasn't trying to be negative, I think another revolution would be a great happening.

As for your secret project all I can say is good luck, that I hope you don't regret telling people about it, and that it will be a great achievement for you and every one else:sasmokin:

Successfuly,

-XEON

[Rune Hacker]

I realyl want to use Ibot, but i dont see the point of using the Lite version if it has bad antirandosm and stuff, so im still trying to think of a way to get the Pro version :rolleyes:

I dont want to pay 15 bucks and im only just starting to learn java, but I will hopefully get the Pr oversion eventually lol. (or soemone who already has it could send it to me :p )

[kautkto]

My friend is a java pro (Just got him into srl lol, hes making complex scripts now after 5 days) so I might show him this macro system as well.

[The devil]

I used iBOT and scar is way better then it like WAY better!

[WT-Fakawi]

Yes, I did stop the dissing of SCAR. No good can come out of it... Anyway, you'll see the secret project released soon.Growing up, are we? :) <jk> You are right though, dissing colleagues is bad for your own reputation in general. I am anxious to see what will come out of your collaboration with Benland100.

Ben?, my favourite admin.... where are you? *sob*

[rkroxpunk]

*comforts*.......basically pro is better than SCAR with the scripts it has....(not very many :D) but it costs too much and I personally can't be bothered learning JAVA atm.
as for iBot Lite well that was probably the most horrendous thing to macro in RS i've ever used. Just because the scripts suck :D.....and they aren't meant to be good don't take that as offense guys I understand that Lite is just like a taste test of the real thing :D

[Xeon]

I realyl want to use Ibot, but i dont see the point of using the Lite version if it has bad antirandosm and stuff, so im still trying to think of a way to get the Pro version :rolleyes:

I dont want to pay 15 bucks and im only just starting to learn java, but I will hopefully get the Pr oversion eventually lol. (or soemone who already has it could send it to me :p )

Ruler said he was going to jazz up lite a little bit :sasmokin:


I used iBOT and scar is way better then it like WAY better!

I'm guessing you haven't read the other posts in this thread -.- ...

[solarwind]

Growing up, are we? :) <jk> You are right though, dissing colleagues is bad for your own reputation in general. I am anxious to see what will come out of your collaboration with Benland100.

Ben?, my favourite admin.... where are you? *sob*


Ok, Fakawi, check the SRL new functions in the member forum. Enjoy.

[BenLand100]

Ben?, my favourite admin.... where are you? *sob*
I was asleep at that time ;)

[malakai]

mmm i think bluej is better than all ... it rocks... lol

[malakai]

sryy for double post but it was offtopic

[ruler]

Color Recognition:

* Ability to return arrays of all matches

Doesn't scar do that too? (the quote is from iBot wiki at page iBot)
FindColorsTolerance.
i could be wrong but most functions return the best match. DTM, deformed etc. are based on returns the best case?

This is no longer a issue. We have moved past spirals and simple color map searches for finding things. We process images using techniques that are hard to explain.

Video:
http://rscheata.net/images/nexus14/rimmington.avi

[R0b0t1]

We would still like that you try to explain them, and while you call those techniques simple, they work for us just fine.

Also, I noticed another thing that is not-necessarily bad 'bout IBOT, but in many users opinions is. You store there passwords. You don't even tell them in the ToS, but hide it. You say you use this so if someone scams you and your petty profits, you can scam them back. Two wrongs don't make a right.

[bob2004]

The thing that i liked about ibot better then scar is that u could auto while doing something els on ur comp. Too bad u can't do that with scar

[Boreas]

We would still like that you try to explain them, and while you call those techniques simple, they work for us just fine.

Also, I noticed another thing that is not-necessarily bad 'bout IBOT, but in many users opinions is. You store there passwords. You don't even tell them in the ToS, but hide it. You say you use this so if someone scams you and your petty profits, you can scam them back. Two wrongs don't make a right.

I thought that was one script?

[ruler]

We would still like that you try to explain them, and while you call those techniques simple, they work for us just fine.

Also, I noticed another thing that is not-necessarily bad 'bout IBOT, but in many users opinions is. You store there passwords. You don't even tell them in the ToS, but hide it. You say you use this so if someone scams you and your petty profits, you can scam them back. Two wrongs don't make a right.
The bot saves your user/pass in a "users" file. The user/pass are not sent to any server. However a pay-to-use script not made by me did at one time do it. No one lost anything and it wont happen again.

SRL has a player array i think. Same concept. A SRL script could read the array and send it to a server. I think that has happened before.

Alot more answers at:
http://www.villavu.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11172

Please refer future questions to ^

[GoF]

I like SCAR more because SCAR is free and I don't know java :p And the iBot scripting tuts I've read have mainly taught me nothing .. And I don't even play/ macro at RS alot anymore so I don't care about learning java just for iBot.

[muffinman177]

Can't Ibot get you Ip- banned? You can multi auto on different files, but it pisses Jagex pretty bad.

[TheGuyWhoGotOn]

I would love to use Ibot, I like Java, it seems to be better than SCAR though I still love SCAR, SCAR forums seem better. It's the cost that's killing me, I don't want to pay 1mil OR $15 for it, why can't it just be free? The video's didn't impress me in any way, it looked very detectable, it stops before it moves again, it doesn't look very good...

I still want to try Ibot though :P.

Edit: Ok I've tried Ibot...I like SCAR so much more...I don't know how to begin to script on IBot without using notepad, also there are like no use full snippets in the code as I see in SCAR so I don't know how to run most bots (MOST not all). Overall I see SCAR is better, better communities, easier to use.