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oliver1205
08-01-2007, 01:53 AM
What does everyone think about them? Personally, I don't agree with them. I mean I am all for the no one being poor idea but think about it. MOST people work hard for the money they have today. Or if your one of the lucky few who inherited it, then your parents or somebody in your family worked hard. I believe the people who work hard for their money should get it, and the people that don't go to high school, collage, etc ( The people that didn't work hard ), shouldn't have what the people who bust their ass have.

Santa_Clause
08-01-2007, 07:03 AM
I'm a communist.

GoF
08-01-2007, 11:52 AM
I'm a communist.

Really? Or are you just trying to get different color to your nick :rolleyes:

oliver1205
08-01-2007, 07:17 PM
I'm a communist.

how come? i want to hear a communist's point of view

Bourdou!
08-02-2007, 03:08 AM
They have their ups and downs. Although it would be interesting to see a Communist community that didn't fail miserably :p .

Santa_Clause
08-02-2007, 06:23 AM
Really? Or are you just trying to get different color to your nick :rolleyes:

I'm a communist...and so are my parents.


They have their ups and downs. Although it would be interesting to see a Communist community that didn't fail miserably :p .

What the hell's that supposed to mean?

LordGregGreg
08-02-2007, 06:41 AM
I like comunists.. i like the ideals they have, i like their thoughts, and their goals.

unfortuantly, it has been proven time and time again that these ideals are too... werll. idealistic.

It esentually colapses into a society that I would hate to be around.

I know, shoking huh? The one time in my life that I don't like soemthing red


But yeah, these wonderful ideals and all are great, but honestly, i think they go against mankinds inborn intinks. Its just not natural to act that way, yet it is very natural to be selfish, and lazy, thus, unfortiannatly, it never works.

comunism would rock for robots.

Santa_Clause
08-02-2007, 07:00 AM
I'm probably going to get flamed soon...

LordGregGreg
08-02-2007, 07:02 AM
I'm probably going to get flamed soon...
Ure fine bro, no one is going to flame you for what you are unless they are a closed minded conceeded idiot.

yeah.. ok , you might get flamed in that case, lol

oliver1205
08-02-2007, 01:19 PM
i pretty much agree with lord greg. i love the idea of no one being poor etc. i just cant see it working. and in the past, it really hasnt worked.

Spky
08-02-2007, 01:48 PM
Animal farm quote, anyone?

LordGregGreg
08-02-2007, 02:22 PM
Animal farm quote, anyone?
lol, indeed. "some animals are just, MORE equal"
lol.

ok, enough animal farm, i hate that book.

EL_TYCHO
08-02-2007, 08:23 PM
I went to Bulgaria and we did a jeep safari there, our driver was a Bulgarian, we asked him if it was good or bad that the communisme fell in Bulgaria, but he replied: The communisme was good for us, in the communisme days you had the rich, the poor and the middle class, but now you only have rich and poor'

botmaster
08-02-2007, 08:38 PM
Communism is a good idea on paper, but the practicality of it is nonexistent. I've yet to see a successful communism regime that doesn't use totalitarian measures to control it's people.

I tend to be a slight bit anti-capitalistic, but in general, I hang around between socialism and capitalism. Prettymuch controlled capitalism, but not to such an extend as that the economy is controled by the government entirely.

c0de
08-02-2007, 09:04 PM
What does everyone think about them? Personally, I don't agree with them. I mean I am all for the no one being poor idea but think about it. MOST people work hard for the money they have today. Or if your one of the lucky few who inherited it, then your parents or somebody in your family worked hard. I believe the people who work hard for their money should get it, and the people that don't go to high school, collage, etc ( The people that didn't work hard ), shouldn't have what the people who bust their ass have.

You like fascism? Are you a fascist?

oliver1205
08-02-2007, 09:46 PM
no im not. why do u say that?

c0de
08-02-2007, 09:50 PM
You can't judge communism based on one thing...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism

http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm

Bourdou!
08-03-2007, 02:42 AM
What the hell's that supposed to mean?

I think all of histories Communist regimes have failed. I think I heard that somewhere, but I am to lazy to go and look. Sue me :P.

Here
08-06-2007, 05:27 PM
They have, but they weren't really communist. And it wasn't internal collapse.

kaustav_002
08-06-2007, 05:52 PM
how many communist regimes have there been?

LordGregGreg
08-06-2007, 05:59 PM
how many communist regimes have there been?

Counting my apartments government system or not?

kaustav_002
08-06-2007, 08:57 PM
all hail the old guy who hands out teh stupid tickets and tell you not to have fun.I like to scratch out the donts and nots using a marker on the note things.:p

Santa_Clause
08-08-2007, 06:34 AM
Right...who else is a communist other than c0de?

n3ss3s
08-08-2007, 10:52 AM
Wanna hear funny thing?
Well, its about half a year since, but I kind of invented the communist thingie or what is it, I was eating and I thought "why doesnt world work like : a nub has white coloured blocks. Another nub has red coloured blocks. Third is green coloured blocks. The one who has white blocks gives to the red and green guys white blocks, and they give him green and red blocks, and red gives to green and white...." so on... Except back then I didnt say it as blocks, I just dont know the english word for the original thingies.

Whatever.

kaustav_002
08-08-2007, 03:31 PM
Wanna hear funny thing?
Well, its about half a year since, but I kind of invented the communist thingie or what is it, I was eating and I thought "why doesnt world work like : a nub has white coloured blocks. Another nub has red coloured blocks. Third is green coloured blocks. The one who has white blocks gives to the red and green guys white blocks, and they give him green and red blocks, and red gives to green and white...." so on... Except back then I didnt say it as blocks, I just dont know the english word for the original thingies.

Whatever.

That made very little sense. And view the poll results to see who's a communist.
The central server of demonoid is in Moscow. yay go Moscow.
The russians planted a flag at the bottom of the north pole or the south pole. And they don't give a shit what the retard from another country says.
:D :D

Secet
08-09-2007, 12:58 PM
Communism is great in theory, but fails in practise.

GoF
08-09-2007, 08:15 PM
That made very little sense.

n3ss3s rarely makes much sense :p

"Communism is great in theory, but fails in practise."

Indeed.

jeffreyyth
10-06-2007, 01:22 PM
I think communists is a failed ideology that was proven time and time again, fall of the berlin wall, fall of the USSR, etc. Communist has surpressed the people too much, without giving any freedom. Naturally, people will hate it. And anothr stupid concept about communist, wages of all people are the same regardless of job. What happened when a farmer, an enginneer a doctor get paid the same? The professionals will hate this, and the country will sufffer massive brain drain. The country will collapse with no professionals. If everyone gets the same, and lets say A and B are farmers, A works 8 hours a day and B works 5 hours a day. Def A deserves to earn more, but in communism both of them earns the same.
I think most of you guys are not from asia, but I am, to be more exact South East Asia, Malaysia.
Our contry fought the communist war during the 1950s. Now I'm going out of topic, but my grandparents have lways talked about what the communist will do the villagers. They will torture them, threaten to kill the entire family if the person does not take up arms against the communist. My grandad served with the British Army in the fight against communist.

Jackrawl
10-06-2007, 09:47 PM
I'm a communist.

Ejjman
10-07-2007, 08:19 PM
Hillary Clinton is Communist. If she gets power US is screwed for life :)

Jackrawl
10-07-2007, 09:04 PM
Was the smiley face necessary?

Sirt
11-21-2007, 05:10 PM
Right...who else is a communist other than c0de?

Me.


*Weilds anti-flame shield*

LordGregGreg
11-21-2007, 08:14 PM
I am not communist because i work harder, work smarter, and work faster than everyone. I will not be dragged down by a lazy idealistic society untill the second comming. (and only then, because it will raise me up, instead of drag me down).

(yes, that was me trying to make as many crazy outlandish statements as I can in three lines :P, please, for my own good, ingnore them, if you take them beyond anything but a chuckle)

oh, sirt, you dont need the shield, we dont destroy people on this half of the forum, (but if your name become a subject in the bbq pit... :P but your fine. as long as you are not rude to any person specifically , this forum is a good place to say pretty much whatever you want.

R0b0t1
11-25-2007, 04:48 AM
Wait. Hold on a second. So, if I'm a communist, I can go to the drug dealer a get weed for free?

I'm officially communist.



EDIT:

"In Soviet Russia, weed smoke YOU!!!"

Santa_Clause
11-25-2007, 04:53 AM
What's with you and the Soviet these days :p

Communism basically means everyone is equal and everything is owned by the government, not individually...it's got nothing to do with getting free weed.

R0b0t1
11-25-2007, 05:07 AM
I know that, but that means the government could give me weed (which actually wouldn't be free, since there is no money, but I wouldn't loose anything).

So wait: You go to work for the people, which is actually you? So that means you are working for yourself? Doesn't that defeat Communism?


Actually, Communism reminds me of The Giver.


"In Soviet Russia, Communism The Giver reminds of YOU!!!"

Santa_Clause
11-25-2007, 05:11 AM
I'm going to act as if I understood that, even though I didn't...

buck cakes
11-25-2007, 06:37 AM
Well i'm Russian, so i voted Commy.
(i live in the US btw i just wanted to represent my roots.)

Here
11-26-2007, 12:01 PM
Hmm, there is no absolute-best form of government. It has to adapt to the situation. For example, (still generalizing), a form of stripped down Communism would be best for small organizations. In large places, GIANT bureaucracies weigh Communism down. I wouldn't know how to effectively handle large groups of people though. Anarchy? Is that effective enough?

n3ss3s
11-26-2007, 08:05 PM
In Soviet Internet, r0b0t Would Shut His Ass Up And Go Script!

Lol :p

Killerdou
11-26-2007, 08:16 PM
mh... marxism is not communism, the communists based there idea's on marxism, the idea that or idea and way of thinking/living is based on economic structures, marx said that the state should rule, but thats the part the communists understood wrongly, marx ment the entire society with the state, not just a select group of people

R0b0t1
11-27-2007, 12:40 AM
"In Soviet Internet, This Site (http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Russian_reversal_%28joke%29) read YOU!!!"

"In Soviet SRL-Forums, joke ruins YOU!!!"

Here
11-27-2007, 04:44 AM
What? Communists thought that a select group of people should lead the rest? Where'd you get that?

Hobbit
11-27-2007, 04:47 AM
I'm a 100% fascist
Everything for the military!!
(I'm not kidding btw..)

Also I changed the title to Communism b/c commy was used as a derogatory term

Jackrawl
11-27-2007, 08:26 PM
Dude, The Giver sucked...
That book wasted 3 hours of my precious (wasted) life, just for me to reach the ending where he and some soulless baby bleed to death in the snow? Come on, and she got the Nobel Prize for that piece of wood.

Well, at least he wound up dieing. I hated Jonas.

LordGregGreg
11-27-2007, 08:29 PM
the poll result are very interesting...and a bit not what i expected... it is interesting to see how the education system is manipulating these minds...

Hobbit
11-28-2007, 12:14 AM
Communism in its intended form is flawless. But we as human beings morphed the intentions of it for our own selfish gain.

Jackrawl
11-28-2007, 01:32 AM
SRL > Communism > IBot > Democracy

Greg, I'm pretty most everyone was teasing.

All hail education system...All hail education system...All hail hi...education system.

Hobbit
11-28-2007, 02:21 AM
Greg, I'm pretty most everyone was teasing.

c0de and I weren't


SRL > Communism > IBot > Democracy

This doesn't make sence...

SRL is greater then Communism which is greater the iBot which is greater then Democracy? :confused:

LordGregGreg
11-28-2007, 02:29 AM
comunizm means that not everyone on the planet can have a computer as powerful as mine.

And I want a computer as powerful as mine, therefore, I am not a communist.

Not to mention that I want to be better than as many people as I can. I want to work harder, better, and smarter than as many people as I can, and get rewarded appropriately.

Therefore I am not communist.

but is that right? my selfishness is worth other peoples lack? Me wanting to be better means I want other people to be worse? I don't have enough love for everyone around me?

yes. I don't. And I will not untill I die, no matter how hard I try. There is something inside you that makes you want to have better things than the next person, and to be better than the next person.

But then again, this is all trivial. We are talking about a perfect society, which brings in the only realm where perfect things exist, religion, and in the shadow of a perfect thing this is all nothing, as a perfect thing wuld be infinatly more perfect than me by default, and thus taking the limit as this aproches infinity, you realize that how ever much more I have than the next guy, or however much better I am,.. is really just nothing. The very existence of anything perfect by definition means that I am never, and will never be any better than the next guy... no matter what.

pearls to swines.

Hobbit
11-28-2007, 02:37 AM
There is something inside you that makes you want to have better things than the next person, and to be better than the next person.


Hence my statement above about communism in its intended form, that's why I'm more fascist then communist because n fascism everything is for the betterment of the military rather then the community.
(If you haven't already guessed I'm a military fanatic)

LordGregGreg
11-28-2007, 02:40 AM
yep, facism aint a bad way to go. at least it can coexist with human nature (if your in the military)

but then what hapens if your military leader leads you into russia past your suply chain?

Hobbit
11-28-2007, 02:44 AM
Then you're at fault for not having a kou(sp?) and over throwing him before that happened :p

LordGregGreg
11-28-2007, 02:57 AM
Then you're at fault for not having a kou(sp?) and over throwing him before that happened :p

hell yeah! thats what I like to hear! No blind faith, No position of power without deserving it, survival of the fitest, woo!!

god.. testosterone pulsing... im a go find the nearest warlord and kick his .. scar

Jackrawl
11-28-2007, 03:22 AM
c0de and I weren't


This doesn't make sence...

SRL is greater then Communism which is greater the iBot which is greater then Democracy? :confused:

Real communists agree that Democracy is at the very bottom, and we worship SRL. IBot = Communist, but the combat level is too low.

Hobbit
11-28-2007, 03:26 AM
I still dont see how SRL and iBot fit in there and what that has anything to do with the topic

Jackrawl
11-28-2007, 10:34 PM
Firstly, I was being sarcastic. I'm not a communist, and communism is stupid and only possible in either a world full of terror and no hope or a dreamland of a dictator.
The whole prospect of a community where all is equal is childish.
1 does not equal 3, and you cannot brainwash me or anyone with sense otherwise.
If you want communism, fine, go to a world where there are no numbers, thats where you'll find it - enjoy an evil government.

Hail SRL!

Hobbit
11-29-2007, 12:27 AM
The whole prospect of a community where all is equal is childish.
1 does not equal 3, and you cannot brainwash me or anyone with sense otherwise.

I don't think you understand what communism is. No one is saying 1 equals 3 etc, communism isn't saying no one will be better then someone else. What it does do is equal out for those who may not be better. It's to create economic equality, not social/personality equality. The thing is the WHOLE community isnt equal

R0b0t1
11-29-2007, 12:41 AM
I think thats what he was complaining about, the "economic" equality.


I'm also on the same page as JackLKrawl and LordGreg.

Here
11-29-2007, 01:02 AM
Firstly, I was being sarcastic. I'm not a communist, and communism is stupid and only possible in either a world full of terror and no hope or a dreamland of a dictator.
The whole prospect of a community where all is equal is childish.
1 does not equal 3, and you cannot brainwash me or anyone with sense otherwise.
If you want communism, fine, go to a world where there are no numbers, thats where you'll find it - enjoy an evil government.

Hail SRL!
Hmm, this post makes me feel like you don't know the first thing about Communism. Without visiting Wikipedia or something similar, can you name me the three basic tenets of communism? Or is it just brainwashing from the very anti-communist Western capitalist government?

Why is terror needed? Do capitalists terrorize you? A very irrelevant statement. And a dictator? More proof you don't know a single thing of communism. The governments they had in Cuba and the NK? Those weren't communist, idiot. Nor was Joe Stalin. So what do you say?
Why is a community where all is equal childish? I assume you're in high or middle school. If a teacher passes things out in a classroom, and somebody gets three (because they worked harder) and you get two, don't you get pissed and talk shit behind their backs for the rest of the day? I believe that's more childish.
1 doesn't equal three? My child, nobody ever told you it was. You made that up. If you can relate to me how communism tells us how 1=3, then maybe I'll relent. But with stupid remarks like that, I can easily tell who's the brainwashed.
This last statement rings the death-toll for your knowledge of Communism. Prove to me how communism=evil. That's like saying 1="the sky". How is a economic structure related to morals?

I'm sorry, but that post was full of idiocy. Please come back with better information, and go read Das Kapital while you're at it. Might learn something.

To LordGregGreg. In your last post before mine, the only thing that applies to communism is "survival of the fittest". And truthfully, in my heart, I agree with it. But I try not to. Though somehow, I always do come out on top. So I'm basically happy with it. Don't know about the rest of the world.

Hobbit
11-29-2007, 02:02 AM
Hmm, this post makes me feel like you don't know the first thing about Communism. Without visiting Wikipedia or something similar, can you name me the three basic tenets of communism? Or is it just brainwashing from the very anti-communist Western capitalist government?

Why is terror needed? Do capitalists terrorize you? A very irrelevant statement. And a dictator? More proof you don't know a single thing of communism. The governments they had in Cuba and the NK? Those weren't communist, idiot. Nor was Joe Stalin. So what do you say?
Why is a community where all is equal childish? I assume you're in high or middle school. If a teacher passes things out in a classroom, and somebody gets three (because they worked harder) and you get two, don't you get pissed and talk shit behind their backs for the rest of the day? I believe that's more childish.
1 doesn't equal three? My child, nobody ever told you it was. You made that up. If you can relate to me how communism tells us how 1=3, then maybe I'll relent. But with stupid remarks like that, I can easily tell who's the brainwashed.
This last statement rings the death-toll for your knowledge of Communism. Prove to me how communism=evil. That's like saying 1="the sky". How is a economic structure related to morals?

I'm sorry, but that post was full of idiocy. Please come back with better information, and go read Das Kapital while you're at it. Might learn something.

To LordGregGreg. In your last post before mine, the only thing that applies to communism is "survival of the fittest". And truthfully, in my heart, I agree with it. But I try not to. Though somehow, I always do come out on top. So I'm basically happy with it. Don't know about the rest of the world.

Amen!

For anyone else here is a link to Wiki... Communism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism)

In a way you are communist. This community is slightly communist in the sense of the Prize bank. You auto, donate to me to put into the bank, and it redistributed as prizes. It's a community bank, just there is an authoritarian figure controlling it (Me and Star)

Here
11-29-2007, 02:37 AM
Yes, in a way. In another way, I am independent. The "me" side of me wants everything for myself. The "goodwill" side of me says, "Let's share a bit". But in this society, many times the "me" side wins out. (Including myself, I'm not a self-righteous idiot). I would donate. If I played.

Macrosoft
11-29-2007, 03:37 AM
I like communism in theory, but in reality its a disaster

Truthfully, Id rather be paid more for working harder.

P.S. Any of u guys read Animal Farm?

Here
11-29-2007, 03:48 AM
In reality? What reality? What community do you know of actively runs on Communism? Sorry, but for the present, it's never been done yet.

And Animal Farm attacks totalitarianism. Yes, you can relate it to Communism. But only until the pigs take control.

And I agree with you. I want to be paid more. But I don't agree that there are about 5 billion people who do work their asses off, and get paid a penny. In the current society, working harder doesn't equal more money. It's the opportunities you have. Ask any sweat shop worker.

Santa_Clause
11-29-2007, 07:00 AM
Firstly, I was being sarcastic. I'm not a communist, and communism is stupid and only possible in either a world full of terror and no hope or a dreamland of a dictator.
The whole prospect of a community where all is equal is childish.
1 does not equal 3, and you cannot brainwash me or anyone with sense otherwise.
If you want communism, fine, go to a world where there are no numbers, thats where you'll find it - enjoy an evil government.

Hail SRL!

I recommend you shut the hell up.

Hobbit
11-29-2007, 04:05 PM
Ok Ok It's just a discussion cool it down everyone. But yes knowing what your talking about does generally help before you post arguing a point who believe in that point (communism);)

oliver1205
11-29-2007, 11:20 PM
ive said it before. its a great idea on paper. i love the idea of no one being poor and all that. but it will never work. it hasnt worked in the past, and wont in the future. i heard a radio show host put it like this. i think his name was Mark Levin.

" 2 girls both go to collage. one of them does really good, while another partys all the time. in the end the party girl doesnt have enough credits to graduate, so she asks her friend to " give her " a grade up. ( i no this could never happen its just a example. you cant give away grades ). so should the girl that works hard share her hard work with a slacker ".

if you do good in high school, go to collage ( even community collage ), you will get a decent job. if you dick around in school and you cant get a good paying job, then you cant expect hard workers to share all your money with you.

Here
11-30-2007, 03:16 AM
Hmm. That is all from the standpoint of a middle/high class person. One response to that guy: Ask the sweatshop worker.

And nobody has refuted the fact that Communism hasn't been tried before. So that argument is absolutely useless.

Nobody (even Communists) say that lazy people should be rewarded. And that argument is equally pointless and ignorant.

R0b0t1
11-30-2007, 03:43 AM
OK, since Here started posting, communism doesn't sound so bad. (Actually, deep down, I bet I just don't want to be owned)


But I do have no idea why either frame of government is better than another, as in both, you will have people trying to get more of something. It doesn't really matter if you "lock-down" the society, someones always going to be wanting more. (Well, unless you somehow achieve an idealistic society like the one in The Giver, if you wish to call it idealistic, where no one seems to want anything... But it seems I don't have the experience that would give me the ideas of how that would be done).

Here
11-30-2007, 11:45 AM
Glad to have influenced someone. But lemme tell you, I'm not communist, capitalist, or anything. I just argue against stupidity. If you argue against me, and your argument is good, there's a surprising chance that I'll like it.

Yes, human nature does seem to be a problem with Communism. That's why it needs such a massive bureaucracy, and weighs it too much down with big societies.

Jackrawl
12-01-2007, 05:22 AM
Hmm, this post makes me feel like you don't know the first thing about Communism. Without visiting Wikipedia or something similar, can you name me the three basic tenets of communism? Or is it just brainwashing from the very anti-communist Western capitalist government?

Why is terror needed? Do capitalists terrorize you? A very irrelevant statement. And a dictator? More proof you don't know a single thing of communism. The governments they had in Cuba and the NK? Those weren't communist, idiot. Nor was Joe Stalin. So what do you say?
Why is a community where all is equal childish? I assume you're in high or middle school. If a teacher passes things out in a classroom, and somebody gets three (because they worked harder) and you get two, don't you get pissed and talk shit behind their backs for the rest of the day? I believe that's more childish.
1 doesn't equal three? My child, nobody ever told you it was. You made that up. If you can relate to me how communism tells us how 1=3, then maybe I'll relent. But with stupid remarks like that, I can easily tell who's the brainwashed.
This last statement rings the death-toll for your knowledge of Communism. Prove to me how communism=evil. That's like saying 1="the sky". How is a economic structure related to morals?

I'm sorry, but that post was full of idiocy. Please come back with better information, and go read Das Kapital while you're at it. Might learn something.

To LordGregGreg. In your last post before mine, the only thing that applies to communism is "survival of the fittest". And truthfully, in my heart, I agree with it. But I try not to. Though somehow, I always do come out on top. So I'm basically happy with it. Don't know about the rest of the world.
You're right, I don't know a thing about communism. I don't know its history, all I know is that it is the belief in a 'perfect equality' where everyone makes enough money to eat, and that is all. Frankly, I don't need to know any more than that.

Also, you're post is full of holes as well. How can you prove that you aren't brainwashed? You can't. In the end, you have to depend on the media - which is controlled, if you live under a Communist government.

The reason I said that 1=3 is because math disproves the belief in a 'perfect equality.' Yes, I know that Communism is not a 'perfect equality' but since it tries to balance things out regardless of status, or how much work you do, you still wind up with the same number. 1=3 was not a good example, x(0) + 3 = 3 when x represents time worked.


Why is a community where all is equal childish? I assume you're in high or middle school. If a teacher passes things out in a classroom, and somebody gets three (because they worked harder) and you get two, don't you get pissed and talk shit behind their backs for the rest of the day? I believe that's more childish.Because theres no such thing as this, where everyone is happy. Everyone has different needs, and a "community" that says everything is equal feigns ignorance.

This last statement rings the death-toll for your knowledge of Communism. Prove to me how communism=evil. That's like saying 1="the sky". How is a economic structure related to morals?Vietnam? China? Russia? Evil is a word describing something with opposite beliefs in morals, you should know this. And how is Communism purely an economic structure?

Perhaps I've said this once, but it's late and I don't feel like having to defend our name, but you have many holes in your post. You fail to realize that there is nothing without faith. When you see something in front of you, do you believe you saw it?
When you hear something, do you believe you heard it?
When you felt something, do you believe you felt it?
When you read something, do you believe you read it?
When you react, do you believe you reacted?
When you eat, do you believe you ate?
When you are brainwashed, do you believe you were brainwashed?
Is there proof you did see something? Hear something? Felt something? Read something? React? Eat?
Without faith, you are nothing but an echo in a world of chaos. You are not superior, you aren't even there. You were not born with this knowledge, you read it or heard it somewhere, so saying that I am biased is crap, and shouts that you are a hypocrite in your own little way.

You got us though Here, yes, we are indeed in Middle School - so what? Any reason the media would be any different? Laughs* Clearly, we aren't brainwashed - you are. You think the media is not controlled. Dear me, this is rich. No matter what you do, you wind up having faith in something, so yeah, you are brainwashed. All of us are, one way or the other - some to evil, some to good, some to neither.

Hobbit
12-01-2007, 05:24 AM
You're right, I don't know a thing about communism. I don't know it's history, all I know is that it is the belief in a 'perfect equality' where everyone makes enough money to eat, and that is all. Frankly, I don't need to know any more than that.

Then you are a very arrogant person and will not make it far in life. If you believe that all you need to know about something is one smaller point to it then you will be making a fool of yourself all your life. Because communism isn't perfect equality, its economic equality.

Jackrawl
12-01-2007, 05:51 AM
Please don't double post!!!
(Sorry, browser lagged. Did not get the updated page until I checked the fourth time. Deleted the first section.)


Then you are a very arrogant person and will not make it far in life. If you believe that all you need to know about something is one smaller point to it then you will be making a fool of yourself all your life. Because communism isn't perfect equality, its economic equality.

We appreciate your failure to read the article before 'perfect equality,' the 'money' part of my statement, next time I'll put economic in there for you.

Aside from this, do you disagree?

Hobbit
12-01-2007, 06:18 AM
Communism is an ideology that promotes the establishment of a classless, stateless social organization based on common ownership of the means of production. It is usually considered a branch of the broader socialist movement that draws on the various political and intellectual movements that trace their origins back to the work of Karl Marx.

^^ Economic equality

Jackrawl
12-01-2007, 06:23 AM
Doesn't matter! We wrote

'perfect equality' where everyone makes enough money to eat, to begin with We think this is wrong anyway, because it isn't a perfect equality if everything is owned by the government, including rights. Of course when someone in power, they're going to give themselves more power.
Living in America is and will be better than any of the Communist countries we have seen so far.

oliver1205
12-02-2007, 01:48 AM
Hmm. That is all from the standpoint of a middle/high class person. One response to that guy: Ask the sweatshop worker.

And nobody has refuted the fact that Communism hasn't been tried before. So that argument is absolutely useless.

Nobody (even Communists) say that lazy people should be rewarded. And that argument is equally pointless and ignorant.

how did that sweat class worker do in high school? i believe that with a good education and not dicking around in school, its possible to get a decent job. I would consider myself hard working middle class. my mom grauated high shcool shes a teacher aid. makes about 25 grand a year. my dad went to collage for 2 years, and worked his ass off to make 73 grand a year now. i live in a house in a
OK nebihood. anyways my post: my patents busted their ass for a long time to get where they are. i believe anyone who busts their ass wouldnt want to be on the same level as a person who didnt work as hard as them. i no sweat shop workers bust their ass, now that they have to. i wonder how they did in highscool/collage.

Hobbit
12-02-2007, 01:56 AM
i believe anyone who busts their ass wouldnt want to be on the same level as a person who didnt work as hard as them. i no sweat shop workers bust their ass, now that they have to. i wonder how they did in highscool/collage.

Maybe they didn't have that option, a lot of sweatshop workers are taken as children and work in sweat shops till they die. And the thing is you wouldn't need to bust your ass just to live in a safe neighborhood like nowadays good neighborhoods are insanely expensive (Canada anyway) so just for somewhere safe to live is a stretch. But with the commune where everyone has the essentials then you don't have to worry about having a safe place to live or food to eat, because the community helps support everyone else.

Like fund raising for sports teams, my soccer team for example, we did a bunch of fund raising for our track suits and bags, sure some worked harder then others but the money raised was all pooled together because some people who happen to be in tough circumstances cant afford it, at the end of it all, the remaining cost was split and each of us only had to pay $10 for the suit and bag rather then the original $219, why is that, cause we pooled our resources somewhat like communism.

Here
12-02-2007, 02:56 AM
To Jack's response: I'm sorry, but we have ignorant people here. JackLCrawl, you win real buffoon of the day. I am brainwashed? By the media? Ok then. Guess where I live. In the US of A. Have the admins check my IP for the whole time I was here. Maybe I was in Canada two months ago. So don't be idiotic about that. THe media brainwashes you in your own "ideal" country - here. If you think I'm Communist, you're dearly mistaken, I'm not, and sorry, but there are no real holes in my post. You haven't pointed to any of them.

I don't need to refer to your arrogance to prove your stupidity.

You start off with a hypocritical statement. In your previous posts, you have referred to evil government or dictator. Now you point to a perfect equality? Show me where in Das Kapital it ever says "perfect equality." Started off on a wrong foot, eh? And since you started off with that, and EXPLICITLY SAY that it's the ONLY thing you know, your whole post is completely irrelevant. But I'll refute the rest of it anyways, though if you knew your sets, I wouldn't need to.

And does a community that says that "the economy is at a high point right now," when in reality, 2% own 50% of the world, does a society like that NOT feign ignorance? And you refer to your "perfect equality". And nobody says "everybody will be happy". I am willing to argue with real Communists who say that. Our intellects haven't forged us the perfect society yet.

Morals? What morals? And a country which sends their nukes on a defeated country is with morals (US to Japan)? Who carpet bombs civilians (US to Vietnam, Laos). And is now fighting a "war on terror" against "the axis of evil", when in reality, they're fighting for oil? (US to Iraq) Hmm? Anyways, that's beside the point. I asked how COMMUNISM can be evil, not a country's government. I can see evil everywhere in people, but ideas cannot necessarily be evil. Thoughts yes, but ideas no.

Who's defend "our" name? I'm in "your" country, jackass. By the way, I crusade against stupidity, not countries. And faith? I have no faith, yet I do believe in human nature and stupidity. I am pessimistic in nature, yet I have faith that things will still happen tomorrow. I'm not an idiot. Yet you say I'm without faith. Where did that come from? I've already announced I'm not communist.

And I want to quote yourself for that post, "You think the media is not controlled. Dear me, this is rich." I guess I have the upper hand again, as I live in "your" country. Which I believe I'm a part of too.

To your second post after that - there have been no Communist countries as of yet. Have you failed to read what I posted at least twice?

And to oliver, do you have any idea what life is like outside your city, or country? Have you EVER been to the ghettos, where education is an unknown thing, to Vietnam where you're sold as a sex slave before you know how to read? Bust their ass? Have you ever "busted your ass"? Do you think your parents ACTUALLY work MORE than the slaves of plantations did 150 years ago? If you do, read some more books about that. It'll help to improve your provincial outlook on the direct relationship between work and money.

Come up with better arguments, you two. I'm starving for some intellect.

Jackrawl
12-02-2007, 03:41 AM
To Jack's response: I'm sorry, but we have ignorant people here. JackLCrawl, you win real buffoon of the day. I am brainwashed? By the media? Ok then. Guess where I live. In the US of A. Have the admins check my IP for the whole time I was here. Maybe I was in Canada two months ago. So don't be idiotic about that. THe media brainwashes you in your own "ideal" country - here. If you think I'm Communist, you're dearly mistaken, I'm not, and sorry, but there are no real holes in my post. You haven't pointed to any of them.

I don't need to refer to your arrogance to prove your stupidity.

You start off with a hypocritical statement. In your previous posts, you have referred to evil government or dictator. Now you point to a perfect equality? Show me where in Das Kapital it ever says "perfect equality." Started off on a wrong foot, eh? And since you started off with that, and EXPLICITLY SAY that it's the ONLY thing you know, your whole post is completely irrelevant. But I'll refute the rest of it anyways, though if you knew your sets, I wouldn't need to.

And does a community that says that "the economy is at a high point right now," when in reality, 2% own 50% of the world, does a society like that NOT feign ignorance? And you refer to your "perfect equality". And nobody says "everybody will be happy". I am willing to argue with real Communists who say that. Our intellects haven't forged us the perfect society yet.

Morals? What morals? And a country which sends their nukes on a defeated country is with morals (US to Japan)? Who carpet bombs civilians (US to Vietnam, Laos). And is now fighting a "war on terror" against "the axis of evil", when in reality, they're fighting for oil? (US to Iraq) Hmm? Anyways, that's beside the point. I asked how COMMUNISM can be evil, not a country's government. I can see evil everywhere in people, but ideas cannot necessarily be evil. Thoughts yes, but ideas no.

Who's defend "our" name? I'm in "your" country, jackass. By the way, I crusade against stupidity, not countries. And faith? I have no faith, yet I do believe in human nature and stupidity. I am pessimistic in nature, yet I have faith that things will still happen tomorrow. I'm not an idiot. Yet you say I'm without faith. Where did that come from? I've already announced I'm not communist.

And I want to quote yourself for that post, "You think the media is not controlled. Dear me, this is rich." I guess I have the upper hand again, as I live in "your" country. Which I believe I'm a part of too.

To your second post after that - there have been no Communist countries as of yet. Have you failed to read what I posted at least twice?

And to oliver, do you have any idea what life is like outside your city, or country? Have you EVER been to the ghettos, where education is an unknown thing, to Vietnam where you're sold as a sex slave before you know how to read? Bust their ass? Have you ever "busted your ass"? Do you think your parents ACTUALLY work MORE than the slaves of plantations did 150 years ago? If you do, read some more books about that. It'll help to improve your provincial outlook on the direct relationship between work and money.

Come up with better arguments, you two. I'm starving for some intellect.
Firstly, get off your high horse. Second, we are fraternal twins. You didn't put any thought in while you were reading our post.
Our argument was more of a 'How do you know?' than a matter of 'You are brainwashed.' We were saying that 'How would you know that the media is not controlled' because in a communist country the media is controlled. You told us the school system's "media" was controlled, so we were contradicting you - the faith was a part of the same argument. You didn't even bother reading what I said, so, it matters even less to us.
Frankly, my opinion of you has changed. Your posts are plain cruel, you insult the people you respond to, and you carry around this annoying sense of pride.
Reading this makes both of us sick, and neither of us really feel like responding to you.

Hobbit
12-02-2007, 03:44 AM
Getting too hot headed closed.


And jack, maybe you should re-read some of your posts before saying that about Here's