Web Design Company? ~ TViYH

[TViYH]

Hey, guys :)

Well. Soon, hopefully, I'll be getting the Adobe/Macromedia line of products. They include but are not limited to: Photoshop, Dreamweaver, InDesign, Fireworks.

I was just wanting to know if any of you had HTML/CSS tips I can use. I plan to maybe make a business out of it.

I don't have any examples, except for ( http://acesart.com/pizza_spr09/elkins_pizza/index.htm ).

Just please give me some tips :) I'm pretty good at it, been doing it for a year +.

Also, do NOT tell me not to use HTML/CSS.

[Torrent of Flame]

Shove that table up your ass and use fucking CSS!

I'll get into a Web Design Company with you if you want :D I could use some work to add to an active portfolio for Uni.

NiCbaZ will probably have some nice hints for you aswell ^.^

Heres some good reading; http://anti-tables.com/about

[ShowerThoughts]

I've got a adobe master collection *trial* link for you, want it?

[Torrent of Flame]

I've got a adobe master collection *trial* link for you, want it?

I have this same *trial* too :D

[ShowerThoughts]

That *Trial*, I didn't install it on my pc it's way to big and it makes your pc slow.

Ps. im searching a html php css teacher? one of these I would like to learn more of it.

[TViYH]

I am pretty good at HTML.

I'm no expert, though.

ToF, HTML ftw. I just don't care what other people think. Btw, It's kind of hard to make a website without tables if you want it decently sized :P Unless you used Imageready, of course. But, yeah. If I ever start it, you'll be the first person I'll contact.

PS: I want no trials. Trials aren't long-lasting, I need long-lasting products. Who the hell is going to have a company that is only in use for 30 days?

[ShowerThoughts]

Can you teach me and motivate me? Because it's so easy i'm not trying it :p

Btw. if you help me putting html or php or Css on my server(hosted by ruler TY!)
Then you can use a part of it.

[TViYH]

Lol, Hermpie :P

I have a MGatesPhoto website, impSOFT website, and a few GoDaddy ones :P
I'm not short on that subject.

But, the only thing I can really tell you is to read HTML sources of websites and see what they actually output.

[ShowerThoughts]

it's more putting it on the server :p like a homepage.
Can you make me a little homepage then I can learn from it.

Add me hermenOtter at Live.nl

[TViYH]

Added. Now, just get on Hotmail :)

[ShowerThoughts]

It would be smart, if I had Msn running :P

[TViYH]

:O Get on so I can has helping you.

[NiCbaZ]

I am pretty good at HTML.

I'm no expert, though.

ToF, HTML ftw. I just don't care what other people think. Btw, It's kind of hard to make a website without tables if you want it decently sized :P Unless you used Imageready, of course. But, yeah. If I ever start it, you'll be the first person I'll contact.

PS: I want no trials. Trials aren't long-lasting, I need long-lasting products. Who the hell is going to have a company that is only in use for 30 days?

Not going to get far if you dont use Divs and CSS, also i would learn php and JS for login systems etc.

[TViYH]

Yeh. I don't mean I'm starting it now :P

However, I did get the Macromedia MX line a few hours ago :)

[Torrent of Flame]

How so TViYH? Your limited with tables, possabilities with CSS are endless.

Never use tables, you can make a website 100x better with CSS, and plus you can attatch a stylesheet to every page and just edit the CSS Stylesheet and it updates all the pages, with tables you would have to do it manually.

And I dont think it was a trial, as such... it was a 'trial' *wink wink.. cough*a cracked torrent*cough*

[Pheter]

Get a book on CSS layout and read that before doing ANY more web design :P

I recommend "CSS: The Missing Manual". It's really well written.

[TViYH]

Lol. I just got The Macromedia Studio MX for Dummies.

I'll be reading up on CSS.

[ShowerThoughts]

Get on msn, is there any good *free*pdf about CSS?

[Pheter]

I hear that if you search on a particular website that goes by the name of btjunkie for "the missing manual css" then a link appears. I don't know where the link will take you but I recommend that if you are planning on clicking it then you have a bittorrent client ready..

PM me if you need some help.

[ShowerThoughts]

I don't understand, I JUST DON'T FREAKING GET IT!
Everyone would know he said go to btjunkie and download it.
But I just don't FREAKING get it.
Some people even knew it before he did.(^^)

~Hermpie

[R0b0t1]

Question, how old are you?

[Smartzkid]

Learn PHP or Actionscript

[TViYH]

R0b0t1: I'm 15.

Smartz: I'm trying to learn actionscript, but I can't find any good tuts :S

[Bobarkinator]

...You're trying to learn everything at once. Bad idea. Make some pages with just HTML and CSS. Then design a login system with PHP. And just work your way up.

[ShowerThoughts]

So the best would be:
Html page
Html & php page
Html & php login page
Html & some css?

[Torrent of Flame]

HTML & CSS
HTML/CSS/PhP

Then go wherever you want, pretty much.

[ShowerThoughts]

And ofc I would need dreamwaver?

[MylesMadness]

Yeah, use xhtml.

[Dumpin]

I got 1 tip... NEVER use tables.

[ShowerThoughts]

And ofc I would need dreamwaver?

Yeah, use xhtml.
Xhtml is some special version of html? or is it dreamwavers version?


I got 1 tip... NEVER use tables.
Tables? Example please?


nvm googled.

[Torrent of Flame]

If you dont know about them the better.

Dont even bother learning them. Just ignore they exist.

[ShowerThoughts]

I googled what's wrong about them?
The code is a bit non-logical, because if you just add 1 more line it will be seen as the next row =/ or column

[Torrent of Flame]

I googled what's wrong about them?
The code is a bit non-logical, because if you just add 1 more line it will be seen as the next row =/ or column

Everything. They are difficult to work with, they look hideous...

Just never use them. EVER.

[Pheter]

You don't need dreamweaver. I learn using windows notepad but I would use any text editor/ide that has syntax highlighting. You don't need to bother with Dreamweaver at the moment as your focus should be on the syntax, not which IDEs offer corner-cutting, time-saving tricks.

Oh btw, HTML and XHTML are almost exactly the same except with XHTML you have to close *all* tags so where HTML will allow you to type:

<img src="">
In XHTML you have to close the tag so you end with "/>" not just ">". Like so:

<img src="" />

Another difference with XHTML and HTML is that with XHTML all images must have an alt text. This can be left empty though but for accesibility reasons you will usualy always want (read should) fill it in. If you don't want to add any text then you can just write the following:

<img src="" alt"" />

As you can see there isn't much difference between XHTML and HTML. Have a look at the W3C site and read about the differences there though. XHTML is just a little bit more semantic than HMTL.

Oh and make sure that you learn about doctypes.

Btw hermpie. What did you mean with this comment?

I don't understand, I JUST DON'T FREAKING GET IT!
Everyone would know he said go to btjunkie and download it.
But I just don't FREAKING get it.
Some people even knew it before he did.(^^)

[TViYH]

Everything. They are difficult to work with, they look hideous...

Just never use them. EVER.

They're not hideous :) They make web design a whole lot easier.

[Torrent of Flame]

They're not hideous :) They make web design a whole lot easier.

Not really. If you know CSS, its alot easier.

And Dreamweaver helps, alot. It means you can work in the code page but then go to the preview page to check it works, and debug it. Cant do that with word processors, you have to save it as a .html then open the web, every time.

Its quicker with DW, but you dont have to buy it, you can 'aquire' it.

I use XHTML.

[anonymity]

xhtml is pretty good. ... I don't understand... why do the most of you hate tables?... they can be abused... but so can frames... I mean, I use tables and they can be annoying... but what is wrong with them?

[TViYH]

Not really. If you know CSS, its alot easier.

And Dreamweaver helps, alot. It means you can work in the code page but then go to the preview page to check it works, and debug it. Cant do that with word processors, you have to save it as a .html then open the web, every time.

Its quicker with DW, but you dont have to buy it, you can 'aquire' it.

I use XHTML.

Give me an example of the CSS code of a table.

[Torrent of Flame]

There is no CSS codes in a table?

I mean, never use tables to design how your website looks

There are ways to make Tables like yours in CSS and I would prefer to do so, but I myself have never used CSS to design a table. But you can just make a series of outlined boxed within the main content box, AFAIK.

[Pheter]

Use tables for tabular data, use CSS for styling the page and all elements within the page.. simple!

[Torrent of Flame]

Use tables for tabular data, use CSS for styling the page and all elements within the page.. simple!

Thats what I meant ^.^

It seems he has used tables to create the layout too which is what I dont like.

[TViYH]

There is no CSS codes in a table?

I mean, never use tables to design how your website looks

There are ways to make Tables like yours in CSS and I would prefer to do so, but I myself have never used CSS to design a table. But you can just make a series of outlined boxed within the main content box, AFAIK.

So, you're telling me to make a table in CSS, even though you don't want me to?

STFU. I can make tables in HTML. It's the layout of the page.

[ShowerThoughts]

Hey boys, peace on earth :rolleyes:
http://www.home.impsoft.info/

I updated it a little some video links aren't working because I made a little mistake :D

[Pyro]

Tbh not many people nowadays like html/css pages. Unless you are really good at css. Before you learn PHP, infact maybe instead. I would learn javascript.

If you are intent on building websites for business' then you are better off learning javascript and getting to know your ole friend flash. Its more the design aspect then any backend.

Im pretty sure everyone who learns CSS wants to start a "business" with it. But the sad fact is there is just complete pwnage web designers out there *cough* c0de *cough* doing it for dirt cheap that you just cant compete with.

O btw dont use tables. You can do much better with div/css.

O and dont use Dreamweaver MX (if thats what your using) it doesnt show CSS correctly.

O and I use microsoft expression web. Just download the trial from microsofts website. And go to ANY serials website. Get a serial and it will just "unlock" it.

[Wizzup?]

Tbh not many people nowadays like html/css pages. Unless you are really good at css. Before you learn PHP, infact maybe instead. I would learn javascript.

If you are intent on building websites for business' then you are better off learning javascript and getting to know your ole friend flash. Its more the design aspect then any backend.

Im pretty sure everyone who learns CSS wants to start a "business" with it. But the sad fact is there is just complete pwnage web designers out there *cough* c0de *cough* doing it for dirt cheap that you just cant compete with.

O btw dont use tables. You can do much better with div/css.

O and dont use Dreamweaver MX (if thats what your using) it doesnt show CSS correctly.

O and I use microsoft expression web. Just download the trial from microsofts website. And go to ANY serials website. Get a serial and it will just "unlock" it.

Tables can be useful, although usually div's are better. CSS is a must, of course.
There are lots of people doing it for free and open source, I don't see why you would pay anyone for a web design.

[Torrent of Flame]

TViYH, I didnt say to make tables in CSS, I said you CAN. I was talking about the layout of your page.. You cant use HTML to design a layout unless you use Tables? AFAIK anyways. I'm probably wrong.

NiCbaZ has made a flash website too, give him a shout :D



Im pretty sure everyone who learns CSS wants to start a "business" with it. But the sad fact is there is just complete pwnage web designers out there *cough* c0de *cough* doing it for dirt cheap that you just cant compete with.

They are for big businesses. People on the web are all looking for unique identities now'days. So alot of people are looking for basic websites that are functional, so you dont have to be 'compete pwnage' in web design anymore, only if you want to go into a business doing it for the business. There is a HELL of a lot of Freelance stuff about too, and you just need one or two clean jobs well done.

And why do people still use DW MX, DW CS3/4 has been out for quite a while now..

[TViYH]

Simplistic flash websites/html websites are to my liking.

Also, I'm building a website atm that has an image upload/view type deal. For reference photos for a major online business.

[NiCbaZ]

Umm cool, if you getting into flash, you also need to be good at Photoshop or at least kno whow to use it well, and you need to quite fluent in Actionscript 2.0 or 3.0... and know how to use flash ofc!

[TViYH]

Taking Flash classes for the rest of this year, basically

[the_box_boy]

Contact me i can hook you up with adobe products.
iwillgetu1day@live.co.uk

[TViYH]

Contact me i can hook you up with adobe products.
iwillgetu1day@live.co.uk

Or, I could "hook myself up" :rolleyes:

It's pretty much common knowledge around here how to get things.

[the_box_boy]

yur the one who was saying i dont wont a trial i wont the real one so i wanna gonna give you it lol

[TViYH]

I never said anything about a trial.

I can get the full program, plus extended features. Free.