Running bots and scripting...

[spicynachos2]

Hay guys i am returning and i hope to get my shit together and actually make a new script and get into members... and help people out...

So i run bots from rsbots.net atm and i would like to only use my laptop to script and bot... but i would like to use both at the the same time. but as you know you can't really safely just run runescape on multiple accounts on one computer at the same time. So i was wondering if anyone knew of a good way i could mask my ip that runescape see's like a good proxy server... i just wanna be 100% sure it works. Please tell me if you know how i could do this :).

[TRiLeZ]

Using multiple accounts on the same comp is just like family in the same house playing together. You have nothing to worry about.

[spicynachos2]

Using multiple accounts on the same comp is just like family in the same house playing together. You have nothing to worry about.

but its the same ip adress... runescape monitors ip addresses dude. but thanks

[TRiLeZ]

All computers under in the same house has the same ip adress.

[spicynachos2]

All computers under in the same house has the same ip adress.

umm actually not? All computers have different ip addresses.

[JPHamlett]

not if u connect through 1 router like i do we all go through my dad wifi which gives us all the same ip address

[TRiLeZ]

No no no, all computers have the same static ip adress.
They have different LAN ip adresses though.

Your ISP gives one client one static ip btw. Any device using your house's internet will have the same static ip.

[spicynachos2]

not if u connect through 1 router like i do we all go through my dad wifi which gives us all the same ip address

thats a static ip adress ffs. lan ip is what runescape monitors, lan ip is one fucking computer.

[TRiLeZ]

thats a static ip adress ffs. lan ip is what runescape monitors, lan ip is one fucking computer.

Only people can on your lan (local area network) can see your lan! If they could see your lan ip then everyone would pretty much have the same ip's.

ex: All linksys routers lan ips start with 192.168.1.___

[spicynachos2]

Only people can on your lan (local area network) can see your lan! If they could see your lan ip then everyone would pretty much have the same ip's.

ex: All linksys routers lan ips start with 192.168.1.___

then tell me this... if you take one computer open up two runescape windows(same world) try to log them both in one will get the error "to many connections from your adress" take two computers though and hook them up to same router and you can have both same world...

[TRiLeZ]

MAC address

[ehazel]

then tell me this... if you take one computer open up two runescape windows(same world) try to log them both in one will get the error "to many connections from your adress" take two computers though and hook them up to same router and you can have both same world...

thats a static ip adress ffs. lan ip is what runescape monitors, lan ip is one fucking computer.
there is no way for them to know the local ip of the comp the only way is if jagex had its softwear get the info from your comp and send back to themselves (witch is highly illegal unless you give permission)

ok i will clear a few things up that you dont seem to grasp
1 you cant do the same world becuase of the cache files on your comp thats why when you run unsigned you can run in the same world
2 this is how 90% of houses have there internet setup, i will try to go into as little detail as possible. if you have more questions ill go farther in depth.

external ip
v
router
v
pc1-pc2-pc3-pc4

Each pc below the roughter has its own ip.
But above the roughter there is a single external ip.
So how do they know its running on a single pc?
They dont.
The roughter protects the comps from the internet and does not give out the internal ips.
So how would jagex know its all on one comp or simply a family that plays together comming from the same external ip adress.
That is why it is safe to run as many smart windows/virtual pcs that you comp can handle
and about the mac adress when information is leaving your network it will take the mac adress of your roughter then the mac of the modem then the mac adresses of all the network hardware all long the trip to the server you are connecting to.
deaming it imposible for them to get your mac unless you are on the lan with the server itself.





This is just for refrence if you want to read thew its very intresting.

First it will be useful to define what MAC addresses are and how they
are normally used.

Definition:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAC_address
"Media Access Control address (MAC address) is a unique identifier
attached to most forms of networking equipment."
Normally a twelve digit hexadecimal number, like: 00-08-74-4C-7F-1D

How it is used:
It's most common use is in the "data link" layer of the OSI model:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSI_model

When a computer on a network has an IP address it needs to contact it
sends out an ARP request to all machines on its network segment (using
the broadcast address) and receives an answer from the owner of that
address with its mac address. It then stores this in an arp table for
later reference. The mac address is then used to send data directly
to that computer.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Address_Resolution_Protocol

You can view the arp table on a windows XP machine by typing "arp -a"
from a command prompt. You can even manipulate the table, though this
is not recommended.
http://www.mytechsupport.ca/content/view/83/306/

What you will see in your arp table are IP addresses that are on your
local network. You will not see any entries for computer beyond your
closest router. The reason for this is simple; your computer doesn't
care about anythign past that.

All a computer needs to know is how to get to the next router on the
way to its final destination (next hop). Once your PC has the mac
address of your closest router and hands the data off to it, then it
is that next router's job to have the mac address of the next router
in line and so on. Each router is only going to keep arp tables with
mac addresses of devices that are on the same subnets as they are on.
Remember the way they usually acquire mac addresses is using a
broadcast. This will only reach as far as the next router. Routers
will not pass on this information. If they did the whole Internet
would come to a screeching halt because there would be so many
broadcasts that the real data would be choked out. They only need to
know how to get to the next hop.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadcast_address

In short, as long as your router is seperated from this server that
you are connecting to by at least one other router (which I'm sure
that you are) they would not have your mac address in their arp
tables. You can see just how many routers are between you by doing a
"trace router".
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/162326/EN-US/

First you will see your routers Ip address that is local to your
computer, then you will see the address of your local IPS's router,
then there will most likely be several other router before finally
making to the server you are connecting to.

Each time the data passes through a router the portion of that data
that contains the last mac address is pulled out and the current
router's is put in. This allows the next router to respond without an
arp request to the previous router.

This is a similar discussion:
http://content.ix2.net/arc/t-4333.html
"There is no way to determine the mac address of your computer, once the
packets have passed through a router. The mac address is used only on a
local network and as a packet leaves your local network, the mac address is
replaced by the mac address of the router. This happens at every router
along the route between you and any other site."

Since your computer has an arp table that contains your routers LAN
side mac address it is possible that they could send that in the same
way they could 2) 3) and 4). But your router is going to have a
different mac address for it WAN side, which is the part that you
would care about. Your computer will not have the WAN side mac
address in its arp table because it is on the "other side" of your
router.

All that to say: They only way they could get your router's WAN-side
mac address would be have access to a device on your local ISP's
network on the same subnet as your router. This is highly improbable.

Your IP address is about all they get.

I just tested this with two PC's and router. I put them on different
ports on the router copied a file from one to the other. Each PC only
sees the mac address of the router, both in their arp tables and in
the actual packets themselves. There is no reference to the other
PC's mac address.



and yes i have horible spelling skills

[n3ss3s]

To put it simply, using unsigned Java doesn't have anything to do with your IP, but when you use unsigned Java you can run two RuneScapes, leaves your IP out of the equation...

[caused]

To put it simply, using unsigned Java doesn't have anything to do with your IP, but when you use unsigned Java you can run two RuneScapes, leaves your IP out of the equation...

Or just login at the same time : D.. That allows you to connect as many accounts to the same server from the same pc as you want ;).

You just need to find a way, to keep the delay between logins as short as possible.

And.. uhm I guess ehazel said it all, but Jagex cant see your lan IP, they would need to hack your pc for that :D... They can only see your internet IP, that one you get from your ISP.

That is because Connections from Jagex's Server go to your Router(Internet IP), and your Router than redirects it to the right local IP.

If you dont have an external Router, its simmilar, they then cannot see your Local IP- Adress too. They get the IP of the networking device that you use, and that redirects Connections to your PC.

Welcome To The Forums ! :)

~caused

[spicynachos2]

MAC address

omg i just remembered that :( mac address... lols they know its one mac address just not who owns that comp. Lols anyone know how to disquise mac address?



Or just login at the same time : D.. That allows you to connect as many accounts to the same server from the same pc as you want ;).

You just need to find a way, to keep the delay between logins as short as possible.

And.. uhm I guess ehazel said it all, but Jagex cant see your lan IP, they would need to hack your pc for that :D... They can only see your internet IP, that one you get from your ISP.

That is because Connections from Jagex's Server go to your Router(Internet IP), and your Router than redirects it to the right local IP.

If you dont have an external Router, its simmilar, they then cannot see your Local IP- Adress too. They get the IP of the networking device that you use, and that redirects Connections to your PC.

Welcome To The Forums ! :)

~caused

thanks but welcome to the forums? i have been on here for a long time?




there is no way for them to know the local ip of the comp the only way is if jagex had its softwear get the info from your comp and send back to themselves (witch is highly illegal unless you give permission)

ok i will clear a few things up that you dont seem to grasp
1 you cant do the same world becuase of the cache files on your comp thats why when you run unsigned you can run in the same world
2 this is how 90% of houses have there internet setup, i will try to go into as little detail as possible. if you have more questions ill go farther in depth.

external ip
v
router
v
pc1-pc2-pc3-pc4

Each pc below the roughter has its own ip.
But above the roughter there is a single external ip.
So how do they know its running on a single pc?
They dont.
The roughter protects the comps from the internet and does not give out the internal ips.
So how would jagex know its all on one comp or simply a family that plays together comming from the same external ip adress.
That is why it is safe to run as many smart windows/virtual pcs that you comp can handle
and about the mac adress when information is leaving your network it will take the mac adress of your roughter then the mac of the modem then the mac adresses of all the network hardware all long the trip to the server you are connecting to.
deaming it imposible for them to get your mac unless you are on the lan with the server itself.





This is just for refrence if you want to read thew its very intresting.

First it will be useful to define what MAC addresses are and how they
are normally used.

Definition:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAC_address
"Media Access Control address (MAC address) is a unique identifier
attached to most forms of networking equipment."
Normally a twelve digit hexadecimal number, like: 00-08-74-4C-7F-1D

How it is used:
It's most common use is in the "data link" layer of the OSI model:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSI_model

When a computer on a network has an IP address it needs to contact it
sends out an ARP request to all machines on its network segment (using
the broadcast address) and receives an answer from the owner of that
address with its mac address. It then stores this in an arp table for
later reference. The mac address is then used to send data directly
to that computer.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Address_Resolution_Protocol

You can view the arp table on a windows XP machine by typing "arp -a"
from a command prompt. You can even manipulate the table, though this
is not recommended.
http://www.mytechsupport.ca/content/view/83/306/

What you will see in your arp table are IP addresses that are on your
local network. You will not see any entries for computer beyond your
closest router. The reason for this is simple; your computer doesn't
care about anythign past that.

All a computer needs to know is how to get to the next router on the
way to its final destination (next hop). Once your PC has the mac
address of your closest router and hands the data off to it, then it
is that next router's job to have the mac address of the next router
in line and so on. Each router is only going to keep arp tables with
mac addresses of devices that are on the same subnets as they are on.
Remember the way they usually acquire mac addresses is using a
broadcast. This will only reach as far as the next router. Routers
will not pass on this information. If they did the whole Internet
would come to a screeching halt because there would be so many
broadcasts that the real data would be choked out. They only need to
know how to get to the next hop.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadcast_address

In short, as long as your router is seperated from this server that
you are connecting to by at least one other router (which I'm sure
that you are) they would not have your mac address in their arp
tables. You can see just how many routers are between you by doing a
"trace router".
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/162326/EN-US/

First you will see your routers Ip address that is local to your
computer, then you will see the address of your local IPS's router,
then there will most likely be several other router before finally
making to the server you are connecting to.

Each time the data passes through a router the portion of that data
that contains the last mac address is pulled out and the current
router's is put in. This allows the next router to respond without an
arp request to the previous router.

This is a similar discussion:
http://content.ix2.net/arc/t-4333.html
"There is no way to determine the mac address of your computer, once the
packets have passed through a router. The mac address is used only on a
local network and as a packet leaves your local network, the mac address is
replaced by the mac address of the router. This happens at every router
along the route between you and any other site."

Since your computer has an arp table that contains your routers LAN
side mac address it is possible that they could send that in the same
way they could 2) 3) and 4). But your router is going to have a
different mac address for it WAN side, which is the part that you
would care about. Your computer will not have the WAN side mac
address in its arp table because it is on the "other side" of your
router.

All that to say: They only way they could get your router's WAN-side
mac address would be have access to a device on your local ISP's
network on the same subnet as your router. This is highly improbable.

Your IP address is about all they get.

I just tested this with two PC's and router. I put them on different
ports on the router copied a file from one to the other. Each PC only
sees the mac address of the router, both in their arp tables and in
the actual packets themselves. There is no reference to the other
PC's mac address.



and yes i have horible spelling skills

thanks alot!

[caused]

omg i just remembered that :( mac address... lols they know its one mac address just not who owns that comp. Lols anyone know how to disquise mac address?




thanks but welcome to the forums? i have been on here for a long time?

My Router has an option to change the mac adress in the control panel, maybe yours does have that too :D.

~caused

[spicynachos2]

My Router has an option to change the mac adress in the control panel, maybe yours does have that too :D.

~caused
but changing the mac adress won't do anything... i just need to have my bot showing my real mac adress and the account i am using to script showing another.

[ehazel]

and about the mac adress when information is leaving your network it will take the mac adress of your roughter then the mac of the modem then the mac adresses of all the network hardware all along the trip to the server you are connecting to.
deaming it imposible for them to get your mac unless you are on the lan with the server itself.

if you want to go far in depth of why this is read the code box on my first post

[mizuno]

so am i right to say that if ur using unsigned java u can log into the same world on one comp?

[ian.]

so am i right to say that if ur using unsigned java u can log into the same world on one comp?

Mhmm. You can used signed Java if you log in really quick for both. :)

I was just wondering.. I've had it say an actual IP address like 1.2.3.4 for the last log in, but it's usually like.. whatever@ISP.net.. Is that because someone logged in from a proxy? :)

[Narcle]

but changing the mac adress won't do anything... i just need to have my bot showing my real mac adress and the account i am using to script showing another.

There's a program called MADMAc that can spoof ur mac ip to something else. However you can't have 2 mac ips on the same computer - only way I can maybe see having 2 mac's on one computer is using a VMware but even then I'm not sure.

To make it simpler think of it this way... Your sending data to RS and they have to send data back to you. So they use ur IP address and your computers identification (mac) otherwise it would be sent else where.

What your trying to do is make one computer two and only thing that can do that is using VM ware... Thing is I don't know if it still has to send info to your main computers mac ip to transfer data to your VM (virtual machine). So still your back to needing 2 computers if that's the case.