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~alex~
04-14-2007, 09:21 AM
I was reading about autorune last night on kaitnieks and was wondering.. If he tried, do you think it would be possible to revive autorune? He's did it once so why not again? Or has jagex implemented something that has completly killed it?

Zika
04-14-2007, 11:12 AM
if you asks me, i would say that Jagex after a long time pwned autoRune, hopefully they wount pwn Scar aswell =/

They have had alot of more secerity updates for that wount happen agen.
Chance will be 1 - 1.000.000... sorry

Meanage
04-14-2007, 11:42 AM
Its possable, Arga and RSDemon work the same way I think. Im a noob when it comes to this so dont quote me lol

rkroxpunk
04-14-2007, 01:02 PM
Didn't autorune rely on packets of information being sent to Jagex? and then Jag encrypted them and made it impossible to read now or sumthing i dunno :D

~alex~
04-14-2007, 01:19 PM
yeah but after that i think someone fixed autorune so it would work again.

Mjordan
04-14-2007, 01:52 PM
yeah but after that i think someone fixed autorune so it would work again.
No they didn't, it hasn't worked in a LONG time.



Didn't autorune rely on packets of information being sent to Jagex? and then Jag encrypted them and made it impossible to read now or sumthing i dunno :D

Yep, I think that how it worked.

smills.smx
04-14-2007, 02:32 PM
Wasnt ARGA a packet editing bot ?
I thought it said that it was on rs cheating wiki , maybe it got put there by accident , maybe i was seeing things .

Yakman
04-14-2007, 02:33 PM
the packets arnt ecryiped, if they were, the client wouldnt be able to read them, and if they were, we could use deobs to read them, however, the login packet which contains the password is encrtyped

i think the reason is, that the protocall is changed every time an update happens, changed so much that it would kill off any autorune successor,
im sure theres other reasons as well, but autorune is dead and it cant be revived

Arga isnt packet editing, it changed the client by changing the java bytecode, theres something called bcel or ByteCode Engineering Library
Arga hasnt been updated in months, IMO, its ether dead, or the developers are keeping it to themselves in some sort of invite-only community, however im sure many RS-R seniour members will disagree with me

Mjordan
04-14-2007, 02:34 PM
Wasnt ARGA a packet editing bot ?
I thought it said that it was on rs cheating wiki , maybe it got put there by accident , maybe i was seeing things .

ARGA just came out not too long ago.

eddie
04-14-2007, 02:34 PM
2003 November 7 was a historical moment for RuneScape. Jagex catched a lot of players, who were cheating - cheaters created a lot of new items, including party hats and crackers.

This was taken fromhttp://games.infoseka.lt/scamming.html

The Down-Low About Duping by Iost Iunatic (SixFeetUnder)

"Here it goes...
I was the person who discovered the dupe and used it, and told like 3 other people, and then it got leaked. If it hadn't gotten leaked, I would be rich and the economy wouldn't suck, and Jagex wouldn't be uber pissed at me. This shall be a historical acount of the third time of duping. Before you begin to read this, please know this had no intentions of hurting the economy, or Jagex in any way shape or form. As for me, I have been banned on every character I own (including ones that did not use the dupe and we're banned out of error. Jagex wouldn't listen to my appeal though). Because of this, I am also quitting RuneScape now. But hey, at least im going out with a major bang. Now, onto the fun/interesting stuff.



The way the dupe worked was when in a trade screen it would put up a non-stackable item with an amount of zero, where it would normally be one. This would trick my side into thinking I put up nothing, and the other into thinking I put up one. So really, it's not duping because you don't need one to start with. It's more like "Creation." It also used an item ID. An item id is the number given to an item. No, each item does not have it's own ID. All r2h's are item 81, and all pink hats are item 580. This is why it is extremely hard for Jagex to find out which hats are real and which are fake. Here are some other numbers of items:

580 - Pink Hat
579 - Green Hat
581 - White Hat
576 - Red Hat
578 - Blue Hat
577 - Yellow
1278 - Dragon Square
795 - Dragon Med
575 - Cracker
81 - Rune Two Hander"



"And the next morning. Note that this was my main, who I had NOT logged into at any time during the whole duping dealy so he wouldn't get banned for bug abuse. Well guess what, he was banned. And, he didn't abuse a bug. It tells me to check my message inbox, but guess what, they didn't give me a letter either. Oh well. Probably deserve it."

"Just remember, this was all for historical purposes. I now am quitting
runescape. But like I said, I am going out with a bang. Also, I am very sorry to
anyone who may have been hurt by my actions, especially jagex themselves. It was fun while it lasted. Thanks everyone."
"The story. Some guy (SixFeetUnder) was playing around with AutoRune (RuneScape cheat), trying to trade a scythe. He failed. During his experiments he found out one rather interesting thing. Any nonstackable item can be created. Well, he got very excited and told 5 other people - me (Kaitnieks), Dylock, g0ne, Aid uand David. One of us couldn;t keep the mouth shut so in the next morning every RS player was crying about duped pink hats sold in Varrock for 5 mill each. Naturally it was just a matter of time for Jagex to find out, so I decided to have some fun. Like we did the other time with banker killing.Even I know that crackers and the silly hats are the most expensive items in the game. So naturally we created those. Oh, two guys also created and alched some kind of expensive shields (I dunno, drag squares or something - hey, don't call me n00b, I finally know where Al Kharid is). They made over 1 billion each. "To create items, you must trade with someone. They can give you any nonstackable
item by specifying count = 0. It's fixed by now. Well done Jagex, took you less
than a whole day."

"Many people thanked me that day. I'm sure it was good for economy and people who
had no chance to get a silly hat, too bad we didn;t manage to make way more of
them."

"The background. Here are some random facts.
1) Hats and other items were created by AutoRune. AutoRune is infamous RS cheat,
you don't need to know much about it, just how Jagex said there are no cheats
for RuneScape. Did they make a mistake or did they lie to you? You decide.
Anyway if someone offers you AutoRune, don't download it, it's not being given
to anyone and what you will be downloading is a keylogger. Trust me, that is so.
2) Almost all players who created items got banned. Someone made 40 mill,
someone almost 100 mill and didn't get banned but most of the accounts did.
Especially those having 1 bill GPs and 100 sets of hats. My personal gain is
some pink hats and ~5k steel bars. Not that much eh?
3) It took several hours for Jagex to figure out the problem and fix it. During
this time they didn't do anything to stop the duping.
4) Jagex could not trace which items are duped and which are normal. That's why
only some items got deleted.
5) The situation in market is very unstable but seems like the rarest hat (pink
one, the most ugly hat) is now one of the most common.
6) Jagex did not roll back. I guess they don't really mind seeing rares becoming
less rare.
7) Andrew doesn't have sense of humor. Mod Mark does. He's the man! But
Andrew... You should all send e-mail to Andrew and tell him you love him, he's
very sad and lonely. Andrew promised Dylock lifetime membership if he helps.
Instead of that he banned his account. Go on, help the kind RS mods, your reward
will be a ban, you know you want it.

Anyway, that was fun. Comments, feedback, thanks to aispam@sos.lv.
Nov 10., 2003., by Kaitnieks
RuneScape is property of Jagex, all rights reserved.
I do not claim ownership of content that was not created by me."

That must of been posted a billion times, But that's autorune's Big dupe day history, If you want more info this was taken from http://games.infoseka.lt/scamming.html

FRom the same site, this is the entire History

The history

This is for those who want to know what exactly happened and
why did it happen. The dates are taken from my very inaccurate
and partially destroyed mIRC logs, please inform me if you
detect any wrong facts, because I changed my clock too often
to make shareware programs work.

The idea

The idea was born a year before the first AutoRune version
came out. We had 2 computers in our room but only one was
directly connected to internet, so I found a tool that
redirected all outgoing connections to socks proxy. I set up
proxy server on the connected computer and accessed internet
from the other computer through it.
Then I made RuneScape connect to modified socks proxy and it
saved all outgoing and incoming data to file. I figured I
could send my own data to make it walk and do other actions
but then other things came and it was forgotten about until a
year later.

The push

One place where everyone talked about RuneScape cheating and
cheats was RBcheats forums. I was reading them now and then, I
offered to make RS cheat and asked for a help but got flamed.
Pretty soon I realized that none of the people there had any
idea what they were talking about. All cheats offered for
download in the forums were keyloggers.
Then evil cowgod created the RuneScape cheating community. In
fact the community is still alive. Some guy in his forums
tried to convince me that cheat like AutoRune is not possible.
It took me a week to create it.

The program

I don't know when exactly first version was created, but
according to my mIRC logs at September 22, 2002 me and cow
were talking about advertising AutoRune on his site. That
would be great if someone could find when exactly was AR 1.0
released.
I don't remember much, but the sample script included with AR
1.0 mined iron at Varrock southeast mines, smelted it at
Lumbridge, smithed at Varrock and banked in Varrock east bank.
Meaning that even the first version was very powerful already.
When I demonstrated AR to Alex in game, all he was saying is:
"omg it's so fast, I can hardly follow".
The famous AutoRune interface was created by my real life
friend Rapids. The first testers were Alex, Vincent and Heppu.
AutoRune was very unique and new back then. It was acting as
proxy between game server and client, it was analyzing
outgoing and incoming data and injecting data if needed. It
was the very first scriptable RuneScape cheat and it used
authorization server - a mechanism to prevent uncontrolled
distribution of the cheat. Later someone got a brilliant idea
- it can be sold.

The sales

The very first purchaser of AutoRune was Olympus (Olee). I was
internet less and Olee had to wait for his authorization
account. He was impatient and offered money if Rapids creates
the account for him. Rapids accepted. It was September 20,
2002.
Later Rapids convinced me, that AutoRune should be sold. It
was priced $10 at first, later the price varied. I didn't earn
much because AutoRune was not as well know as it is nowadays
after duping and autocatching.
There was a trial version of AutoRune and many people believed
that Jagex used it to examine how AutoRune worked and take it
down.
Generally these were happy times for all AutoRuners because
their number was small and they had some great scripters and
for me, because I enjoyed coding and making AutoRune better
and better, but I really hated wasting my time for making AR
authorization accounts for those who purchased them and
explaining newcomers how to use AR. At one point I even wanted
to stop it all and close the project.

New owner

Coran purchased AutoRune authorization at November 01, 2002.
In the very first day he had interest in selling AR
authorization accounts so I could do only the coding part. He
was also a great scripter and generally cool guy.
I offered to sell AutoRune source code for $500. First two
guys who got interested were rejected because one of them was
a well known scammer (James) but the other one was too young
(SixPack). Coran decided to purchase it. At December 05, 2002
he was the new owner of AutoRune including source code and
copyrights. I agreed to continue working on it because I
enjoyed it.

Mass ban

December 13, 2002. Friday. We all got banned. Well, almost all
of us.
So how did they detect us? It's not easy to explain and
understand if you haven't used AutoRune, so don't try to
understand it. Basically they made RuneScape client send a
useless command to server after 45 clicks on rock, fishing
spot, tree or NPC. AutoRune didn't send that command when
script was running so server could tell - hmmm, 45 rocks were
mined but the secret command was not sent, must be AutoRune.
We didn't know what was the cause back then. I was quite
shocked, I just left. Before that we did the famous banker
killing.
I also must mention that other bots, including some private
ones were affected by this and banned along with AutoRuners.

The silence

After the mass ban there was nothing. I left, everyone left,
the channels went empty, the forums were down. It was pretty
sure that the evil cowgod community is dead and will never
return. Well, I was wrong.

The return

April, 2003 cow returned with Bovine Labs. At April 09, 2003
after almost 4 months AutoRune was fixed. AutoRune 2.3 was
modified to send the secret commands like the real RuneScape
client did.

The orgy

This was the time when RuneScape cheating exploded. Suddenly
people came from everywhere, all willing to cheat. Not only
that, Vee came with a fixed RuneBot version. The forums
swarmed of people and it was clear that this can't last.
Indeed, RuneBot survived for about a week, AutoRune had a
longer life, only because it came before RuneBot.

Second death

This time there was no mass ban. They just effectively
disabled AutoRune, RuneBot and probably other cheats by
changing RuneScape communication protocol. The commands sent
to server/received from server were now encrypted. There was
no way I could guess that and fix AutoRune. I was wrong again.

The secret return

The community doesn't do well without cheats. They start
scamming and basically the weaker it is the more destructively
the members act. You would think that at hard times people
should be supportive and try to find a solution. Forget it,
that doesn't happen in real life.
A new cheat was created by me. The name was SCAR and it means
Sh*te Compared to AutoRune. It's a color clicker and you can
read more about it in SCAR section. This was for the
community.
Meanwhile AutoRune was fixed but it was nowhere announced.
Date - unknown (no data about this in my mIRC logs). Only few
people knew about this and only few AutoRune users existed (so
called ARC - AutoRune Crew). A private channel was made and a
private forum was created. Only intelligent and useful people
were invited in, we exchanged ideas and created scripts. This
was a good time for those lucky ones who had AutoRune. And we
existed for a very long time.

Duplicating

November 06, 2003. After I released AutoRune with autotrading
support, SixFeetUnder discovered that it can be used for
duping. He was trying to trade one of the holiday items with
AutoRune by giving server invalid parameters. Ironically,
anything could be duped except stackable items (money,
certificates etc). And the best thing is - you didn't even
need the item you wanted to duplicate, so it was
more like item creating. That was a big fun day. The RuneScape
economy had to suffer. Hundreds of hats were created, other
items worth billions in GP. Not all accounts were banned,
some AutoRuners made quite a fortune. After many hours
it took for Jagex to discover and fix the bug, the main
dupers got banned. Items were not deleted, the game
was not rolled back.

Various bugs

After duping lots and lots of things were tried out with
AutoRune. The most significant being:
- you could cast spells without runes and without a target
enabling incredibly fast leveling
- you could create women with beards
- you could attack and kill yourself in wilderness
- you could create a character without body (it still was
showing up in minimap and when mouse was moved over)
There were more, but these were the main ones.

Next owner

Coran sold AutoRune source code and rights to Josh (APD). Josh
wasn't as loved by community because he was well known as
scammer and started to sell accounts again for both money and
ingame GPs.

Second mass ban

Why were the first two attempts of killing AutoRune
unsuccessful? Because Jagex wanted AutoRune to die but I
didn't. This time I wanted it to end. I was tired of it all.
There were other reasons, too. APD had sold accounts to many
people. I created a public authorization server account for
everyone to use. Everyone started AutoRuning. They automined,
autofighted and autocatched. The RuneScape player community
was very upset about all this and autocatching basically
ruined the whole gameplay.
02 January, 2004. AutoRuners were banned in the second
massban. I didn't fix AutoRune anymore.

AsheyRune

When APD purchased source code, his computer got keylogged and
AutoRune source code stolen. Many people have it now. One of
people who got AutoRune source code is Buckna. He decided to
fix and sell AutoRune under a different name - AsheyRune. He
tried for some time but Jagex killed it and he gave up.

The future

I am not planning to bring AutoRune back ever. In fact I
haven't tried to fix it since version 2.80.

Monster Hack
05-05-2007, 12:28 AM
the packets arnt ecryiped, if they were, the client wouldnt be able to read them, and if they were, we could use deobs to read them, however, the login packet which contains the password is encrtyped

i think the reason is, that the protocall is changed every time an update happens, changed so much that it would kill off any autorune successor,
im sure theres other reasons as well, but autorune is dead and it cant be revived

Arga isnt packet editing, it changed the client by changing the java bytecode, theres something called bcel or ByteCode Engineering Library
Arga hasnt been updated in months, IMO, its ether dead, or the developers are keeping it to themselves in some sort of invite-only community, however im sure many RS-R seniour members will disagree with me

In theory, AutoRune could be revived, but in reality, it won't.
ARGA is a BCEL (like you said) bot.
It hasn't been updated in about 2 months publicly.
The Devs are writing a new system for it called System X, which looks VERY promising.

-Mh

ronny.m.p
05-12-2007, 05:03 AM
Sorry MJordan but your wrong :(...AutoRne has been re-created atleast 3 succesfull times...it ould work agan but the amount of time it would take and it would never have the same glory or power...

PwNZoRNooB
05-12-2007, 06:06 AM
if you asks me, i would say that Jagex after a long time pwned autoRune, hopefully they wount pwn Scar aswell =/

They have had alot of more secerity updates for that wount happen agen.
Chance will be 1 - 1.000.000... sorry

Id say that it is nearly impossible to KILL Scar, because scar just clocks colors and stuff on the screen.
They can add graphics to make it harder but it won't die.

Tob3
05-13-2007, 12:00 PM
Josh (raw) was lastest owner of autorune and he made forums for Autorune2 and many ppl bought account for it and got scammed because there was never Autorune2. I been talking to Josh and Autorune never going to be back.