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Jake
01-07-2013, 07:09 PM
Four's 99 Summoning Via Crimsons AIO

As this was requested, I've decided to make it for everyone
Note: Buy the charming Imp from dungeoneering if you haven't already! It will help you A LOT with your road to 99 summoning.
It requires level 21 summoning and 21 dungeoneering to buy, and a total of 100k reward tokens

Please NOTE: The prices/Loss/Profits are as of February 2, 2014. Prices are semi-stable
To begin this, for methods on collecting crimson charms, check out this guide I made before
http://villavu.com/forum/showthread.php?t=91653

19 summoning - 32 summoning
Crimson charms begin being used at level 19 summoning.
The first familiar being Spirit scorpions.
Secondary ingredient is Bronze claws.

# of pouches to make
151 pouches
Costs

151 pouches (3gp each) = 453 gp
151 bronze claws (472 gp each) = 71,272
8607 Spirit Shards (24 gp each) = 206,568 gp
Total cost (before selling finished pouch) = 278,263 gp
Sell pouches on ge = 150,094 gp
Loss of 128k gp


32 summoning - 49 summoning
We will now be making Honey Badgers.
Secondary ingredient is Honey Combs.

# of pouches to make
535 pouches
Costs

535 pouches (3gp each) = 1,605 gp
535 honey combs (490 gp each) = 262,150 gp
44,940 Spirit Shards (24 gp each) = 1,078,560 gp
Total cost (before selling finished pouch) = 1,342,315 gp
Sell pouches on ge = 786,450
Loss of about 556k gp

49 summoning - 61 summoning
We will now be making Bloated Leech pouches
Secondary ingredient is Raw beef (from the regular COWS, not the expensive one)

# of pouches to make
979 pouches
Costs

979 pouches (3 gp each) = 8,811 gp
979 Raw beef (391 gp each) = 382,789 gp
114,543 Spirit Shards (24 gp each) = 2,751,032 gp
Total cost (before selling finished pouch) = About 3 million gp
Sell pouches on ge = 2 million gp
Loss of 1.1 million gp

61 summoning - 74 summoning
We will now be making Smoke devil Pouches
Secondary ingredient is Goat Horn Dust

# of pouches to make
2963 pouches
Costs

2963 pouches (3 gp each) = 8869 gp
2963 Goat Horn Dust (1721 gp each) = 5,099,323 gp
417,783 Spirit Shards (24 gp each) = 10,026,792
Total cost (before selling finished pouch) = 12,227,601 gp
Sell pouches on ge = 7,247,498 gp
Loss of 7.9 million gp

74 summoning - 96 summoning
This is the beginning of the looooong stretch
We will be making Granite Lobsters
Secondary ingredient is Granite(500 g)

# of pouches to make
26,377 pouches
Costs

26,377 pouches (3 gp each) = 79,131 gp
26,377 Granite 500 g (445 gp each) = 11,737,765 gp
4,378,582 Spirit Shards (24 gp each) = 105,085,968 gp
Total cost (before selling finished pouch) = 116,902,864 gp
Sell pouches on ge = 77.2 million ,gp
Loss of 39.7 million gp

96 summoning - 99 summoning
At last, the final path to 99
We will be making Pak Yak pouches
Secondary ingredient is Yak-Hide

# of pouches to make
7931 pouches
Costs

7,931 pouches (3 gp each) = 23,793 gp
7,931 Yak-Hides (503 gp each) = 3,989,293 gp
1,673,441 Spirit Shards (24 gp each) = 40,162,584 gp
Total cost (before selling finished pouch) = 44,175,670 gp
Sell pouches on ge = 30.5 million gp
Loss of 13.7 million gp


Total Loss from 19-99 Summoning
63 million gp

I hope this guide was able to help you get a clear understanding on the costs and depths of training summoning. Leave feedback! Thanks!
- Jakee

EDIT:
Turpinator found a neat calculator and created his own spreadsheet!! that can also help you out VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AmACHCdAKJ6ldGMzajJiMUg1dGw1c09mZ1lXOExGc UE&output=html

Just wrote that up a few minutes ago. Gets prices from the GE and then computes using your numbers. (feel free to use it)

also my favorite summoning calculator ive ever found was this... http://users.telenet.be/glodenox/Charms/CharmPattern.html
Charm Pattern. Its written in java by some dude. basically you just enter the charms you have and your xp. it will tell you the best way to get the most xp. It even allows for cost calculations (provided you enter prices) and allows you to remove pouches from the list.

Silentcore
01-07-2013, 07:18 PM
Thank you for the guide. I bet a lot of people will find it useful.

Jake
01-07-2013, 08:16 PM
Prices are as of Today (January 7th), will do my best to keep them updated only when the prices have dropped/increased by a hefty amount.

King
01-07-2013, 08:19 PM
Prices are as of Today (January 7th), will do my best to keep them updated only when the prices have dropped/increased by a hefty amount.

Love this guide! Would you mind if I linked to it in my Waterfiends script thread once it is done?

Jake
01-07-2013, 08:21 PM
Love this guide! Would you mind if I linked to it in my Waterfiends script thread once it is done?
You're more than welcome to King! :) Dont mind it at all :P

Mr[S]
01-07-2013, 09:19 PM
Summoning will be one of my last 99s but it will be worth it! Bookmarked#

Benny
01-07-2013, 09:21 PM
Ah youre close to getting this long await goal Jakee. Great guide and thanks!

Sogalishis
01-07-2013, 11:02 PM
Wow thank you so much for this. Was actualy looking for something like this.... Looks like I need around 30m more crimson charms haha.

Silentcore
01-07-2013, 11:16 PM
Wow thank you so much for this. Was actualy looking for something like this.... Looks like I need around 30m more crimson charms haha.

I guess thats 30K charms, not 30M. Goodluck getting them.

kevin33
01-07-2013, 11:22 PM
I guess thats 30K charms, not 30M. Goodluck getting them.

Well there is always the service to use :)
I am at 74 summoning with charms still to use. You will have other charms I would assume to use so you can cut the 30k back a bit :P

Chris!
01-08-2013, 12:17 AM
Very good guide, Jakee. I love all your guides.

Will definitely be using this. Will you eventually add the other charms to the guide or is it just a crimson charm guide?

Jake
01-08-2013, 12:20 AM
Very good guide, Jakee. I love all your guides.

Will definitely be using this. Will you eventually add the other charms to the guide or is it just a crimson charm guide?
This is just crimson charms only since its the most used charms for summoning.
I'll see if I will add a blue charm guide, but greens and gold charms are pretty much useless and self explanatory :P

Thanks again for your comment :)

King
01-08-2013, 12:35 AM
You're more than welcome to King! :) Dont mind it at all :P

Thankyou very much :spot:

chongc
01-08-2013, 01:31 AM
wut 56m that's cheaper than expected. will probably do some swamps and geysers though, granite lobs are bit slow. just wait for dem bonus weekends that jagex keeps throwing out.

John
01-08-2013, 02:13 AM
wut 56m that's cheaper than expected. will probably do some swamps and geysers though, granite lobs are bit slow. just wait for dem bonus weekends that jagex keeps throwing out.

Yeah it is kinda cheap, Even better with BXPW. Last BXPW I fell short of 96 summoning by 600 crimsons. :unsure:

US Marine
01-08-2013, 05:40 AM
I will be following this guide thanks to you, and to Silentcores awesome services! :D

Mr[S]
01-08-2013, 07:52 AM
I will be following this guide thanks to you, and to Silentcores awesome services! :D

I need to use his services soon :p

Sirenia
01-18-2013, 06:57 PM
Nice guide Jakee, doing Yaks from 96-99 should buff the exp per hour! For people who want to be more conservative on money should keep doing lobsters all the way to 99

freezeyp
01-19-2013, 12:12 PM
Jakee, you are really a helpful guy :), will yoiu answer some more question about summoning?
How do you evaluate the value of different kind of charms? I already know that the blue charm is the best, and the exp gain from gold charm is very poor.
EDIT:
I have found the answer I want on wikia. Someone has make a picture to show the value of each charms already, but it didn't written in the summoning training guide. Instead, it was discuss in charm page.
http://runescape.wikia.com/wiki/Charms

US Marine
01-24-2013, 07:49 PM
Think you should add swamp titans into your guide? They can save you some charms in the end, just costs a little extra. ;)

Jake
01-24-2013, 08:39 PM
Nice guide Jakee, doing Yaks from 96-99 should buff the exp per hour! For people who want to be more conservative on money should keep doing lobsters all the way to 99
Yes it does! I was doing yaks, maxed at around 900k xp/hour

Jakee, you are really a helpful guy :), will yoiu answer some more question about summoning?
How do you evaluate the value of different kind of charms? I already know that the blue charm is the best, and the exp gain from gold charm is very poor.
EDIT:
I have found the answer I want on wikia. Someone has make a picture to show the value of each charms already, but it didn't written in the summoning training guide. Instead, it was discuss in charm page.
http://runescape.wikia.com/wiki/Charms
Good find, I use that page and the wiki to see what the highest pouch I can make depending on the charm, compare the xp/cost ratio, and then the profit/loss if there is any if Converting to scrolls.

I would just stick to crimsons and Blues :)


Think you should add swamp titans into your guide? They can save you some charms in the end, just costs a little extra. ;)
I didn't add swamp titan solely because of the cost :P If you want, Heres a picture
http://i.imgur.com/08m41ha.png

Turpinator
02-02-2013, 12:55 AM
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AmACHCdAKJ6ldGMzajJiMUg1dGw1c09mZ1lXOExGc UE&output=html

Just wrote that up a few minutes ago. Gets prices from the GE and then computes using your numbers. (feel free to use it)

also my favorite summoning calculator ive ever found was this... http://users.telenet.be/glodenox/Charms/CharmPattern.html
Charm Pattern. Its written in java by some dude. basically you just enter the charms you have and your xp. it will tell you the best way to get the most xp. It even allows for cost calculations (provided you enter prices) and allows you to remove pouches from the list.

Jake
02-02-2013, 11:58 PM
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AmACHCdAKJ6ldGMzajJiMUg1dGw1c09mZ1lXOExGc UE&output=html

Just wrote that up a few minutes ago. Gets prices from the GE and then computes using your numbers. (feel free to use it)

also my favorite summoning calculator ive ever found was this... http://users.telenet.be/glodenox/Charms/CharmPattern.html
Charm Pattern. Its written in java by some dude. basically you just enter the charms you have and your xp. it will tell you the best way to get the most xp. It even allows for cost calculations (provided you enter prices) and allows you to remove pouches from the list.
Looks neat
Ill add it to the OP
and check your 'Settings' for a surprise ;)

Turpinator
02-03-2013, 01:02 AM
Looks neat
Ill add it to the OP
and check your 'Settings' for a surprise ;)

;)
I only found 1 thing. I made the other.
Think i should make a quick tut on how to make those spreadsheets? the main part is just 1 code snippet, but some people think its impossible.

Jake
02-03-2013, 04:48 AM
;)
I only found 1 thing. I made the other.
Think i should make a quick tut on how to make those spreadsheets? the main part is just 1 code snippet, but some people think its impossible.
Fixed it
And yeah you should, because I have no knowledge about those spreadsheets/how you grab the prices :P

Mjordan
02-24-2013, 10:15 PM
Four Really helpful guide thank you!

Should I be just selling my pouches, or trading them in for shards? Preferably the cheaper option.

Jake
02-25-2013, 05:01 PM
Four Really helpful guide thank you!

Should I be just selling my pouches, or trading them in for shards? Preferably the cheaper option.
Glad to help!
And You should just sell your pouches
The amount of time to convert a lot of pouches to shards would take a while

Let me know if you have any other questions :)

footballjds
03-12-2013, 03:40 PM
@Four, i was searching google for summoning info. Got redirected here! that's awesome!

Four, did you change your name recently? Or are you just a new member? Or am I too inactive?

Jake
03-12-2013, 04:36 PM
@Four, i was searching google for summoning info. Got redirected here! that's awesome!

Four, did you change your name recently? Or are you just a new member? Or am I too inactive?
Yeah I figured most of my guides were being Indexed by google search lol

Im Jakee

footballjds
03-12-2013, 08:26 PM
please change back the name lol

Zorgatone
03-13-2013, 03:33 AM
Thank you

Jake
03-18-2013, 02:24 PM
Thank you
Let me known if you have any questions

haiku
09-27-2013, 06:34 AM
great guide! very intuitive.

Jake
02-03-2014, 04:55 AM
Updated ALL THE PRICES, as of February 2nd, 2014

Look at the changes.
http://i.imgur.com/CUfc9bT.png

Clarity
11-30-2014, 09:16 AM
Thanks mate, when i start slayer i'll usually afk other spots for crims :}
I hope you realize that you won't get Juniors by doing this. This is a perfect example of why we are rethinking the way the rank is given out.

J_R
12-01-2014, 06:00 PM
Damn, this was the guide I was looking for back when I was actually training summoning :c

Honestly though, I'd recommend trying as hard as you can to use up your green and yellow charms (which you should have from slayer/however you got the crims, esp dragon tasks which give green charms) and save your crimsons until you're close to level 60ish (this is when I ran out after my half-assed slaying :P) when green+yellow become way too costly/slow to be worth it and then follow the guide from bloated leeches onward.

GRIM
12-03-2014, 02:56 AM
What has the highest blue charm drop rate?
I do familiarization then go to the abyss and blood burst for charms currently..
anyone know any better/faster methods?

J_R
12-04-2014, 09:39 AM
What has the highest blue charm drop rate?
I do familiarization then go to the abyss and blood burst for charms currently..
anyone know any better/faster methods?
Don't abyss monsters drop primarily green charms which are super lame?

I believe glacors have the best blue charm drop rates that I know of. Dark Beasts are supposed to be pretty good as well; however, I have not gotten a dark beast task yet so I cba'd to go try them out until then.

Waterfiends are excellent sources of crimson charms, you could probably get more than 600 (maybe close to 1000 at max efficiency) with familiarization on if you use royalcb/asc, prayer pots, extr range and armadyl+. If you go bursting daganoths with a cannon in the waterbirth island place i think you'd get quite a few crims as well, but I think waterfiends are better if you have the range level to kill them fast.

hockeynut3594
12-25-2014, 02:48 AM
Very in depth guide thanks for sharing =)

Jake
01-03-2015, 02:38 AM
I did dark beasts, glacors, nex and bork for majoirty of my blues. Rest came from less common drops when I botted my slayer to 99.

What has the highest blue charm drop rate?
I do familiarization then go to the abyss and blood burst for charms currently..
anyone know any better/faster methods?

Thanks for the positive feedback

Very in depth guide thanks for sharing =)


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