Me again...

Hey all...

Most of you young chums won't have a clue who I am, or even the names of communities that existed, but I was active around the rscheatnet days and was an admin at kaitnieks.com until both of those sites had their unfortunate demise.

Anyway I've been out of the loop for a year or two, this seems to be the only site running well along with sythe.org, but they seem to lack certain qualities.

SRL looks pretty tidy and is obviously expanding rapidly, still cute to see my old gas finder in there that I knocked up. That was in no way meant to be permanent, more of an idea/proof of concept and it has seemed to stick haha.

Enough rambling... can some of the folk from back in the days fill me in on what's going on in terms of anti-cheating measures? Last I knew the colours were causing a few hassles and people still had to pick colours for scripts and that was slowly being worked around by DTMs. The randoms that were unsolvable were the maze and I think the mime... I may be wrong.

A few other things I'd like to know... current state of the client. I'm pretty sure Sean and saevion (unsure of the dudes name) got sick of rs cheating and pissed off, do we still have access to deobfuscated versions of the client? Looks like some kids at sythe are running crude servers but I didn't spend enough time to check if the mudclient was current. I still think scar with memory hooks is what a cheating community should be aiming for.

Last thing, the guy from kaitnieks.com that turned the client inside out and did stuff we thought wasn't possible, he was a java pro but I completely forget his name. He was a programmer by occupation, and I recall him leaving on a sour note, claiming to have sent a certain algorithm to jagex (can I use that word :redface: ) that will detect any non human mouse movements, and apparently it was implemented. Do any of you guys know if there was any truth in this, and has it resulted in bans etc?

Finally (promise), can I get a quick overview of the current randoms or banning methods that are causing serious problems? Being at uni I have a bit of spare time and the grey matter upstairs is turning to mush, hence half the reason I'm here. I'm willing to code stuff that requires a lot of maths or logic, eg some new mouse movement methods, image tracking/detection etc. I'm not up for making a script to kill goblins or walk to the bank, I'd rather contribute something valuable to you guys.

Enough is enough, looking forward to your replies. If you're confused and have no idea who I am, don't spam up this thread because someone is paying for you to post :)

Hi again, piv.

Freddy has got Kaitniek's source code, and is now continuing SCAR.
www.freddy1990.com

There are some nice functions in there, like adding DTM while running scripts (not just adding, creating them too).
We kept your gas check because it just works great.. :)
Nothing much happend to rs itself, we became more advanced, I personally haven't been banned in 9 month's now...
We got SRL Stats.
http://www.stats.srl-forums.com/

And mainly we are just enjoying runescape cheating, with some nice projects coming up.

There is a new bot, called RSDemon, it sends client information to JageX, and you can bot without running the JageX runescape client, which means you can run 80 accounts per computer, you need to pay for it though.
It is ruining RuneScape Free to Play.
So we came up with an idea, bot catcher, reports all bots level<5 below..

We hope we someday will make it to mods.. :)
We made it runescape news too, again.. somewere they said they got an big increase in abuse reports... :p

Thats it.. I guess..


~ Wizzup?

PS: Are you planning on coming more often?

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Hi again, piv.

Freddy has got Kaitniek's source code, and is now continuing SCAR.
www.freddy1990.com

There are some nice functions in there, like adding DTM while running scripts (not just adding, creating them too).
We kept your gas check because it just works great.. :)
Nothing much happend to rs itself, we became more advanced, I personally haven't been banned in 9 month's now...
We got SRL Stats.
http://www.stats.srl-forums.com/

And mainly we are just enjoying runescape cheating, with some nice projects coming up.

There is a new bot, called RSDemon, it sends client information to JageX, and you can bot without running the JageX runescape client, which means you can run 80 accounts per computer, you need to pay for it though.
It is ruining RuneScape Free to Play.
So we came up with an idea, bot catcher, reports all bots level<5 below..

We hope we someday will make it to mods.. :)
We made it runescape news too, again.. somewere they said they got an big increase in abuse reports... :p

Thats it.. I guess..


~ Wizzup?

PS: Are you planning on coming more often?

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Scar source code - sounds good. Born in 1990 hey... young dude.

DTM thing sounds cool.. I needed that in a script once

RS seems to complicated now.. too many quests and the map is too big.

Fill me in on projects if you wish...

RSDemon, I'll have a gander

Yeah I might hang around, depending on how interested I am. That was the idea of reemerging hehe.

Just googled RSDemon... seems pretty cool but awfully nazi like and sounds like it's currently dead.

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Scar source code - sounds good. Born in 1990 hey... young dude.

DTM thing sounds cool.. I needed that in a script once

RS seems to complicated now.. too many quests and the map is too big.

Fill me in on projects if you wish...

RSDemon, I'll have a gander

Yeah I might hang around, depending on how interested I am. That was the idea of reemerging hehe.

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- Walking by means of Making DTM's of the road runtime(with zero tolerance), using FindDTMRotated.
- Some Random events left to solve. (New ones, Scaperunes, and Molly)
- Mainly just improving SRL Functions...
- Own suggestion, something you've always wanted to see?

There are more, but I cannot recall them at the moment.
I think you might be interested in the Molly random event..

Piv man! You dont know me, maybe a little, i think you came back for a day or something and i posted in your thread then too. Anyway, you saved a lot of my pick axes, thanks :D

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Just googled RSDemon... seems pretty cool but awfully nazi like and sounds like it's currently dead.

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If im not mistaking, its dead, or at least private.

There was also another java bot called ARGA. It seems to work similar to aryan but its dead atm too, i heard the site was brought down aswell by a bank or something ..

Good to see you :)

Yeah i hope you come back! You don't remember me, but i DO remember you! ;)

Hey Piv, I'm new and you don't remember me but I used your gas checker (I think) lol.

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There was also another java bot called ARGA. It seems to work similar to aryan but its dead atm too, i heard the site was brought down aswell by a bank or something...

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ARGA was discontinued by the maker, and they're working on a sort of upgrade to it which is going to be called System X (I think). Rs-resources is the forum responsible for ARGA and they're up and running fine right now.

Edit: Pplsuqbawls has myspace? http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...ndID=149862154

Hey Piv, welcome back

We've sorted out the color problems with very solid auto coloring procedures, so thats no problem now. Stupid3ooo managed most of that for us with DTMs

Unfortunately Saevion has passed away :( his memory threads are on most of the main RS cheating sites.

Maybe you're talking about Pplsuqbawls turning the client inside out and telling us about the irregular mouse movements? So far nothing has been proved about that, but we have taken the necessary steps to protect ourselves from that just in case ;)

Pups has also returned for a bit and is helping us on randoms that we thought were unsolvable. Maybe you could have a go at some if we ghave you a selection of ones we have yet to solve? (He's using plugins / putting them straight into SCAR by Freddy)

Lastly, couple of new bots are out

RS-resources.com developed ARGA and are now developing System X - Java based and like Aryan
impsoft.net developed iBot - Java based and like SCAR
Freddy1990.com is now developing SCAR
some Chinese site is developing RSDemon as Wizz already mentioned.

Glad to have you back, talk to me on Messenger if you get some time

Starblaster100

Hehe, chances are you have never heard of me but I remember you well. You and pups always had the most popular Powerminers back in the Kaitnieks days if I remember correctly. Great to see you back, you've pretty much been updated on everything!

We still haven't solved neither the mime or maze if you're interested..;)

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Unfortunately Saevion has passed away :( his memory threads are on most of the main RS cheating sites.

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Original thread: http://moparisthebest.org/smf/index....c,80388.0.html

Hi to all that remember me - sorry that I dont remember most of you, I do remember you Cheesehunk.

Wizzup
-Pretty sure that's what I wanted that dtm on the fly function for.. I still can't recall exactly though
-Srl functions - can't comment until I've had a good read through. I saw a few bits of messy and redundant code but overall the standard of code has improved 100x from what it was at kaitnieks which was by no means bad. Good to see a few names in there that learnt scripting from scratch.
-Can't think of anything I'd like to see at the moment, as I said I haven't had a look through yet, but the first thing that hit me was the redundancy of having a failsafe break out of every loop, surely there are more efficient ways.
-Gimme a run down on the molly random if you like :)

Star...
-That's the first bit of code I'm keen to read. Wonder if it turned out like my theory I never had a crack at coding (colour "sets")
-Def wasn't pplsuqbawlz... this guy was 40ish had kids etc, full time java programmer
-I'll have to catch up with pups then :P
-Freddy + SCAR, he's not developing it seperately is he? It'd be a shame to have him segregrate from here

I still think that maze is solveable ;)

On the note of saevion, that's tragic and I bet that hit Sean hard. I've always wondered what would happen if one was to pass away, saev was obviously an introvert and his parents knew the bare minimum about his online life, touching to see Sean went out of his way to find out what happened to him, would of given his dad a lot of closure to let his best mates know. Unfortunately it sounds drug related but I am no one to judge or comment about the passed, may he rest in peace.

If anyone would like to pm me some pics of the maze random, with the camera fully rotated to above and facing north it would be great. They absolutely MUST be in PNG or BMP format, because original colours must be maintained. Chuck them on imageshack if possible to save bandwidth here :)

Also anyone willing to give me a rundown on the "molly" random, preferably with pics would be appreciated, to gauge if I'm interested in solving it.

Another big suggestion: IRC channels kick arse ;)

By the way tidy little colour detection method, does that work 100%?

we can still deobfuscate the client, but after the game engine, they now use reflection to find out all the method and field names, also method counters, like methodUpdateEntitesCalled++; so deobs are only good for learning
they said saevon died of natural causes.

the prefered way of changing the client now is to use bytecode engineering, most of the time with bcel, that is what Arga uses.

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That was probably semaphore, he is still around,
i always thought he worked for jagex though, he once said one kaitneiks that they were watching all the mouse movements, and that could be what caused aryan mass bans,
there was also this negative UID thing, where aryan made the 0>UID so the people using it got banned.

there isnt a lot of java stuff here, its all on moparisthebest or rs-r

Hiya Piv ;)

I can only wish I've been around long enough to remember the beginning of SCAR... So many people I would've met :)

Molly Random -

Grr! If only I saw this earlier! I had an account I had sitting around for a long while with a Molly Random. I got tired of it being there, though, and went ahead and did it :(

It is a bit 3Dish though. From your first post about how you want to help with something that requires logic, I'd say you'd be very interested in it :p

I do have some accounts with other "unsolvable" randoms, though. Lemme fetch em...

*** ******** - Grave Digger
*** ******** - Grave Digger
*** ******** - Grave Digger

Interested? *Check attachments*

If so, I could send ya over the Names:Passes for you to test your hand at em ;)

Do note, however, that I'll be wanting the accounts back!

What's a .uha file?

Never met ya before piv, but nice to meet you :)

hey piv welcome bak

Compressed with WinUHA. Lemme post a link...

http://www.softpedia.com/progDownloa...load-5148.html

Really good for compressing images and text :)

Yakman...
-I thought they'd cotton on and implement something like that after a while, unfortunately I don't understand java enough to offer any input on that, but I do know that bytecode is awfully tedious
-semaphore... that's the one :) Easy to see how he could work for jagex but there's nothing in it for him to do both, glad he's still around

Jason2gs...

It was pretty cool to watch scar develop, when I heard of it I called bullshit after hearing it could train, eat, walk back to a bank etc.. didn't think it was possible. Cheating was so much more mechanical and easy back in rs1.

I downloaded that program and I still couldn't open the file... could you simply rar it please?

Hi to those that I haven't met *waves*

Alrighty, just a second ;)

Alright, there we go.

When did SCAR first come out?

Was Kaitneiks (SP?) forum a lot of fun?

Who all was there? Was it a big community?

After Kaitneiks Forum went away, what other forum(s) took its place?

-last question-

What country did Kaitneiks come from? (USA? I remember reading otherwise.)

*waves back*

Hi Piv (or is it piv?), I never knew you, nor did you know me. Jason2gs and I came here at around the same time.

I have a full video of the molly random; the colors aren't correct at all, but it will show you how the random works

I'll pm it to you as soon as it's finished uploading.

@Jason: Why not just make a self-extracting (sfx) archive?

Hi piv, I don't know if you remeber me but I was on Kaitnieks when you were still around.

You asked about deobed clients. The current deober that is being used is still saevion's but was "fixed" by Popcorn89 to work with the new client. The thread can be found here:
http://moparisthebest.org/smf/index....ic,7449.0.html

Moparisthebest.com is, as you can tell, moparisthebest's forums. It has become very popular over the past year.

@ Smartz

You can do that with a WinUHA file? I always thought sfx was sspecial "[/B]fx[/B]" :D

As in... Well... Big flashy things :p

I'll have to remember that..

Unless, of course, you mean with WinRAR. I know you can just make an exe with those. (You wind up with an exe with a penguin as the icon. [At least, with Crystal])

Hey piv. I've only been here about 9 months but I've read the 'history books' :P. Check out Fawki or bullzeye (post 16) 's sigs, right hand column. Maze isn't so common nowadays.

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Alrighty, just a second ;)

Alright, there we go.

When did SCAR first come out?

Haha now you're pushing it.. I really couldn't put an exact date on it, but I think I first got my paws on it around 2002, although I'm more than likely wrong, I may have found it around 2003 but it had been alive for about 18 months before that. So 2001ish, with the crazy features like findcolorspiral and istextat :P

Was Kaitneiks (SP?) forum a lot of fun?

It was great, very mature group.

Who all was there? Was it a big community?

I don't want to try and name people and I dont have access to the forum database, but a lot of the scripters you know now were the little noobs back on the forum then. mopar is the first name that comes to mind ;)

It was getting large and I was really enjoying it. For some crazy reason jagex literally did not know about it for a long while. If you aren't aware, kaitnieks wrote scar and autorune, and autorune was a crazy shock to jagex back in the day, they had to rewrite huge chunks of code to stop it. Put simply, they were scared of kaitnieks alone, let alone a community led by him. Shit hit the fan and threats of criminal charges and extradition to the UK put an end to it very quickly.

After Kaitneiks Forum went away, what other forum(s) took its place?

None. There were a few java guys fiddling with the client at the time, aryan was around but in our opinions not really going anywhere productive, and generally a lot of us fell out of the loop. sdouble, asdf, pups, myself, kaitnieks, and another few names I've forgotten all kind of had nowhere to go. asdf tried to keep us all going and get the community relocated but it never got off the ground.


-last question-

What country did Kaitneiks come from? (USA? I remember reading otherwise.)

Latvia. Near Russia and still feeling the strong effects of communism.

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