RuneScape Gold Farmers. Do they even exist?

I read a lot of talks about the so-called Gold Farmers. Young poor Asain fellows working their butts of, calling themselves "Professional Gamers", basically playing 8-14 hours a day, and getting paid just enough to keep them barely alive. I know this phenomenon exists. You can read about it on the Web and see a documentary in three parts on YouTube.

But:

These GoldFarmers are for real games, like WOW, LOTR, Everquest, GuildWars and generally speaking any profitable serious game. If you look at all the popular mmorpg-sites, none speak of Runescape, its usually not even listed in top-ten rankings. Runescape isnt a popular mmorpg anymore, I doubt it has ever been as big as Jagex makes us believe it is.

My hypothesis:

There are NO Goldfarmers in Runescape. (Or at least not as many as Jagex makes us believe there are) Why? Because it is not worth it! Its simply not worth it. You can make far better and faster money with other mmorpg's, and some mmorpg's even allow real life trading, so thats where the Goldfarmers are.
So, whats going on? I believe the runescape-engine has been hacked several times by several people, or even by "pro"-organisations, and that 1000's of bots are crawling in runescape space performing all kinds of tasks. Obviously, this is profitable, no need for human interference. So, organisations that bot (on a large scale) do exist, but there arent any goldfarmers for Runescape.
I monitor a lot of boards as well as the official runescape forums. Over the last 6 months there has been an increase of "rumors" about all kinds of suspicious "Players", high-level-"Players" with skill capes flawlessly finding their way throughout runescape-space, not communicating, always performing the same route over-and-over, always online, identical looking names on different worlds......Bots! Botmembers with one or more lvl-99 skills.
Conclusion: Bots can level-up till 99 without getting caught.

Moreover, I am convinced Jagex knows about this, but is unable to do anything against it. This explains the incredible denial, posting about Farmers, deleting thread concerning bots, etc... Obviously they cant admit this ofcourse as it would be an incredible slap-in-the-face of their customers (over 1 mill paying members!!!). It would ruin them.
Last, you might argue, Jagex not only knows about this, so they but allow it, and keep up appearance as they are unable to do anything against it. Or maybe they are just too "Brittish", soo naive.

I agree with you that there aren't as many farmers in RS as alot of people think.
There aren't alot of people asking for RS millions. Companies that do sell those millions, can get them very easilly by autoing or buying from rich, legit players.
I remember someone noticing us about an advertisement at this site. That site had yews, sharks and rs-cash for sale. The fact that they only were selling yews and sharks tells me that they were macroing.

I agree, there aren't much goldfarmers in Runescape (they exist, ask Joshie, he had some conversations with them).
I know the sites, I know the places where to buy gold, all of them are professional organisations, and sell gold in World of Warcraft, Guildwars, Everquest 2 and Lineage 2, and none of them mentions Runescape. They all use goldfarmers to get the gold.
I'm pretty sure that there are a few private bots beside RSDemon out there, probably client hacking bots. In China and India it isn't that hard to get a big team of professional Java programmers, and as those guys are professional, they create the ultimate bot and use it themselves to farm many money.
As they are professionals they know the whole client by heart, and just program all their ways around all traps built in. With the resulting bot they can just create a few zezima like characters before they get banned (if they ever get banned).

Jagex can sicken me..

Meh, I think there are gold farmers, but they aren't the type that sit on the computer for a whole day and play. I think these gold farmers are the programmers who make the bots responsible for all those level 3s running around.

Hmm... I actually quite believe this. and if they do level them up to "Zezima-like" players, people won't even question why they aren't talking. People believe that high levels don't talk to nubs. And as Markus said, that is very believable, I mean, I know a lot of kids (that are willing to buy money for some game) that actually play Rune scape. I sold 20m at my school for 100$. I don't think i would be able to sell money that easy if it was WOW money. If these "organizations" did create a client hacking bot, that is undetectable, (which I'm sure Rune scape is one of the easiest games to auto on and be able to sell cash easily too), they would definitely do this. Who wouldn't?
(Dreaming:)
Have like 10 computers. Good specs, 5 bots running on each computer. If u can make 200K an hour per character, 200K * 10 * 5 = 10m per hour. 50$ per hour selling at 5$ per mill. You can easily buy more computers and make a Great living. You'd be able to live you life while your program pretty much makes money for you. That would be awesome!

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Originally Posted by The_Rs_Monkey

Have like 10 computers. Good specs, 5 bots running on each computer. If u can make 200K an hour per character, 200K * 10 * 5 = 10m per hour. 50$ per hour selling at 5$ per mill. You can easily buy more computers and make a Great living. You'd be able to live you life while your program pretty much makes money for you. That would be awesome!

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That seems too good to be true lol. 24 hours in a day, 10m per hour = 240m a day and that can't be right. A blue phat in 2 days would be nice though.....

There actually are SOME gold farmers. My world is 115, and everytime I take a trip to the mage trees, or even stand in Catherby bank, I see the same exact people there. Some I know off the top of my head because I seen them today.. Fatraul and Rangedutohell, which supposevley(dont know if I spelled that right) go out, boyfreind and girlfreind. And Akinia is Fatrauls sister, as they say. There are so many other people that "chill" in the same clique as them, and are online ALL FUCKIN DAY! This doesnt have anything to do with this topic but when I went on to chop some mage logs and realized how fuckin boring RS is, after every load they would change there attire to something different, and most of the time just stand there talking to eachother. Are these gold farmers? I dont know, do they have a life? obviously not when someone who has been playing for only 1 year and 6 months is level 121, 99 WC'ing and a couple of other 99 skills. This person isnt any of the top that I mentioned, but knows them as well. Is he/she a bot? I dont know that one either.. When I asked the level 121 "person" what he wants to be when he grows up he said "RS pro." Kinda funny isnt it? Stop by world 115, look around Catherby bank or the mage trees by the legends guild, you'll spot someone that I mentioned above there, most likely.

@ Lolpie: You used to play MGO? I see the picture in your sig, best online game ever!

I don't believe there are gold farmers I never have. Perhaps, many people who believe in them are those who are jealous that there are bots that can allow you to run for that long and not get banned?

I know a lot of fobs (fresh off boat) Chinese people that came straight from mainland China, and asked them about this before. They said they indeed, have heard about gold farmers for WoW and other games, bhut not Runescape.. (and those who are gold farmers, are kids that drop out of school.. and are pretty pro gamers..).

China use to be an extremely poor country but conditions have changed wayy much more now, it just doesn't seem real to do something for such low pay..

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Originally Posted by Rune Hacker

That seems too good to be true lol. 24 hours in a day, 10m per hour = 240m a day and that can't be right. A blue phat in 2 days would be nice though.....

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remeber thats with 50 bots running making 200k and hour each.

and rsdemon with 10 computers u could run 500 lol 2400m a day w00t lol

Perhaps there are a handful of gold farmers, but nowhere near the numbers that would have to be around to justify Jagex's comments about them.

It's all a sham, designed to justify the utter failure of the 'leet anti-macro technologies' Jagex claims to have. They are trying to blame it on the macros actually being humans, and thus not detectable. That's total BS. 99% of the yew choppers behave EXACTLY like a computerized bot. Bronze or iron axes, all run to the next tree in a wave at exactly the same time. There is nothing human-like at all about their behavior.

Funny you should say that Tara, my little cousin got banned for "macroing". He simply made his first account, default cloths, and kinda named it like a bot. Although the name was like every other runescape account. All he was interested in when he first started was wood cutting, now he would do this all the time, excluding the few times he tried all the other skills. One day he told me he got banned for breaking rule number 7... How do they figure?

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Originally Posted by Junior

@ Lolpie: You used to play MGO? I see the picture in your sig, best online game ever!

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Yay someone noticed :D. Yeah I played MGO, hated it (lag + cheaters), then moved on to MPO which is way better. I kick ass with SAA online lol

Before Jagex started making all this talk about "Chinese Gold Farmers" and all this other autoing bullshit I could run around in default clothes 24 hours a day and no one would believe that I am autoing. Now, if you are below level 30 and don't have armour up to your level, you are considered an autoer. I realize that the guy I'm standing next to is level 3 in default clothes and his name is "y2000000j4", but still, Jagex is just looking for someone to blame things on. They just need to convince legit players that they may be doing something right so that they all won't leave and play another game.

There are goldfarmers but not many, Ive talked to a few in game and got one guys msn, he showed me his webcam, he was chinese in a room with lots of others and about 20. He said he doesnt auto because it is slower than humans, more bannable, harder and costs more(lol), apparently he shares a computer with another farmer, one plays while the other sleeps, they cut yews 24/7 on 14 accounts at once. He sells mills to a guy who owns a gold site, cheap as, the guy then resells them for twice as much to fat american children. The farmer has no credit card or something so cant use paypal etc to setup his own site, if he could hed be earning the money that supports him and the guy that buys it from him, thats pritty good money.

there also no reason why they couldnt farm WoW and use rsdemon or w/e at the same time, theyd be able to have 1 rs window open too so when a player goes unactive coz of a random or w/e they could login to it, fix it up, and restart that player on rsdemon.

Long post but meh, in conclusion yes there is but not many.

I've talked to a couple too :p
I've also seen many websites showing people (gold farmers) how to kill dragons for dragon hide and how to do Rune Mysteries for Pure Ess mining.

@Meanage : That is very sad :( A life as a bot...

Do they exist? Yes. Do they play exessive amounts? Probably not.
MY theory is that these are freakishly potent Asian kids with a computer for a brain. I hae heard rumors and I have a reason to believe that these Asians took the Aryan, revamped it and are using it exclusively. I wouldn't put it past them to make a new bot even. One which is superior to Aryan. Goldfarmers do exist and their ads on Ebay are proof.

But do "slaves" which farm exist? Most probably not since RS is not a profitable game for which you can exped human resources, If you were smart and I'm pretty sure they are, they might use "Slaves" on WoW or Everquest. Not freakin' RS.

IMO, I can see an upside to farming on RS.

With WoW and EQ, you have to pay money before you can start farming. Even more with WoW (monthly).
But with RS its completely free, you can play it from anywhere that has access to the internet,
and you can have multiple Characters farming at once.

eg. Click on a yew with the first guy, minimize, the same with another guy, go back to first, ect.
Thats my two cents.

neG, use firefox tabs or w/e instead of having 20 windows open, ooh a spell checker :)

Huh? lol.
I do use firefox and i do use tabs.
I don't understand what your on about :confused:
And yea, i love the spell checker lol.

they'd have to delete uid like ever window lolz, that would suck

There ARE gold farmers. I'm quite sure of it. However, there just aren't many. Go to world 2 fally rune selling/buying spot. There are many lvl 3s, that are there many hours a day, definitely using an auto typer to sell for very expensive and buy very cheap runes. They're not bots because they can actually have a conversation (once I talked to one over pm). I don't think any bot could do this.

neG, I ment the farmer wouldnt need 20 windows open, just 2 with 10 tabs.

you dont get a UID unsigned I thought?

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Originally Posted by The_Rs_Monkey

Hmm... I actually quite believe this. and if they do level them up to "Zezima-like" players, people won't even question why they aren't talking. People believe that high levels don't talk to nubs. And as Markus said, that is very believable, I mean, I know a lot of kids (that are willing to buy money for some game) that actually play Rune scape. I sold 20m at my school for 100$. I don't think i would be able to sell money that easy if it was WOW money. If these "organizations" did create a client hacking bot, that is undetectable, (which I'm sure Rune scape is one of the easiest games to auto on and be able to sell cash easily too), they would definitely do this. Who wouldn't?
(Dreaming:)
Have like 10 computers. Good specs, 5 bots running on each computer. If u can make 200K an hour per character, 200K * 10 * 5 = 10m per hour. 50$ per hour selling at 5$ per mill. You can easily buy more computers and make a Great living. You'd be able to live you life while your program pretty much makes money for you. That would be awesome!

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go to sythe/fagex. mills have dropped to an average by 2.5-3.50 each

My fox aint got spell checker? :(
Btw about the windows, you can have more than ten.
I tested and got lazy when I reached 48 :D

They exist, i've talked to a few of them.

It does bring up a good point though. Is runescape even that profitable.... the person who tried to do the math. Mills are now between 3-4 dollars and sometimes lower. Also 200k a hour? Doing? Maybe cannonballing and that makes about 160-170k per hour. Not sure about flaxing etc. But then count into that the memberships and the bannages...

Jagex saying that all the lvl 3s you see are not macroers, but are gold farmers is completely false... Even the lvl 70 - 90 that are at green dragon are NOT gold farmers.. A gold farmer would not use the same tactic to run from killers every time. A gold farmer will not always run the same direction when attacked from a random every time. A gold farmer will not wear the same autoing clothes everytime. I mean it should take seconds to change outfit if you are a farmer.. A gold farmer will not always stand in the same spot infront of a tree when cutting wood every time.

I believe that autoing on runescape / paying some1 professional to make a good bot is way better than having one person per computer playing runescape.

I believe that they are all macroers. Yes, maybe, they are located in places like china, but they are not real players.. They are not human, they are a program.

If it is possible for jagex to make a game like runescape in java, why is it not possible for some1 to make a software to work through the game in java.

Also I think the amount of people buying gold is a lot less now, since jagex is coming down hard.

Gold Farmers do not exist.. I believe.. I mean what way can you make the "most" amount of money in runescape.. Without merchanting, I think probably the max some1 can make in runescape is 600k an hour? Not sure, but I think wasting one computer to make that 600k is pointless. why not just get a program and run 7 bots making 100k an hour, or even more.

There might be some gold farmers, but saying there are less macroers than goldfarmers is not true..

Probably out of the 100 people that are not playing runescape for "fun" I think only 10 of them might be farmers

Remember that any good 'bot' should be able to run at least 25 - 100 characters at once, maybe more.

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Originally Posted by ioklio

Ok here is what really happens (or I think)

The chineese people have to watch over the bots, if they get a PM, they respond, if the bot gets stuck, they reset it, if someone says there an autoer, they respond "no im not" (happens a lot when I tell them that...making me not want to report them).

Note: this is what I think happens...

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I'v never had a chinese bot autoer respond..

and its not hard to autorespond.... even with scar..

If you guys were looking for those videos by the way, I just found them. I am currently on part 2.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ho5Yxe6UV...elated&search=
http://youtube.com/watch?v=JRrhpoMd8...elated&search=
http://youtube.com/watch?v=KH1LGdjZU...elated&search=

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farmer_(gaming)

That's really interesting.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ho5Yxe6UVv4
This video has me believing that there are goldfarmers in runescape. The game that they show in the video, Maple Story, is easily hackable to change monster coordinates (aka vacuum monsters to a spot) , make infinite health, etc (can't change money, though), just like RuneScape is easy to macro on. Even though the 'hacks' exist, there are still goldfarmers that play legit.

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Originally Posted by wikipedia

According to estimates, around 100,000 people in China are employed as gold farmers, as of December 2005.[1] This represents about 0.4% of all online gamers in China.[citation needed] Chinese gold farmers typically work twelve hour shifts, and sometimes up to eighteen hour shifts. Wages depend heavily on location and the size of the gold-farming company. One gold-farming operation in Chongqing in central China with 23 gold farmers was reported to pay its employees the equivalent of about 120 U.S. dollars per month, while workers at a larger gold farm in Fuzhou earn the equivalent of about 250 U.S. dollars per month.

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I posted photographic proof they exist:
http://www.villavu.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13298
:p

Honestly, I highly doubt that its profitable. I mean it takes time to get those mills even though you are skilled. and mills only sell for like 3 dollars each nowadays :( so my opinion. Its NOT worth it

08-26-2007, 04:27 PM
Exactly when was the last post!?
Stop Gravedigging.
Noone cares about your opinion after a month of no posting. Just read it and let it die.

I dont belive there are gold farmers for runescape. I never have.

there are loads and loads of chinise gold farmers they get the best botting programs and sell of the stuff that they get they dont sit on the computer at all

I am in pretty good with the admins at sythe (the main rs cheating site) and i know of at least 1 of them is a gold farmer

he has sold over 3bil and made 10,000$ from this game...

i believe that there are some gold farmers, but i'm not sure how many. I mean if you go to kill green drags. There's like 50 people with chinese names fighting green drags and they never talk. So i'm not sure.

One thing is for sure tho. I'm getting really sick of seeing 10 lvl 3's cutting yews
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