This community is amazing to me for the fact the developers are so young. I also see a lot of them are already into C++ and Java. The Computer Programming industry is going to be extremely competitive in the next decade!
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This community is amazing to me for the fact the developers are so young. I also see a lot of them are already into C++ and Java. The Computer Programming industry is going to be extremely competitive in the next decade!
About 13 when i started learning HTML, I'm 16 atm
Learned BASIC at ehh...some while ago...
I started learning assembler when I was around 8-9, but I soon gave up. I still hate it, but I'm 12 atm and know C++ and Java - but the truth is, once you know one, you know all of them. (I also know Delphi, VB and Python, but those are... eh... out there)
How old are you, apolloiiix? (Is the double Y pronounced "elya"?)
Holy crap R0b0t, aren't you a bit mature for 12? (Well, I'm close to it too so =/)
I'm 19, I turn 20 next month. I started programming HTML with CSS when I was about 11-12 because I looked at a few websites for the game Final Fantasy VII and wanted to create my own website. I fooled around with that for years eventually getting into the other client side languages like JavaScript until about 16 when I learned my first server side language, PHP. Then, I begin into C++ but only on the procedural side.
When I learned Java at around 17 I really began to understand OO concepts. I then decided at 18 I wanted to get hired as a Web Developer so I set out to really master touch typing(over 100 WPM), Emacs & Vi (extremely powerful editors) as well as PHP, SQL, XML, HTML, & JavaScript. With Vi or Emacs and touch typing you can program without ever lifting your hands off the keys or looking at your hands. Better than any IDE in my opinion.
About 100 WPM, thats pushing it for me though, I type comfortably at 70 WPM and even 40-50 WPM is fine as long as its accurate. It's the code that really matters. When I'm programming I spend more time thinking how I want to do things so I do them right the first time. I just think its neat and also important to be able to use something like Vi and forget your even pushing keys and let things flow easier.
To get hired you must really know these technologies very well. I don't use an IDE so I've memorized every useful PHP function and experiemented with all of them, which I need to reference the obscure ones. Then if you look at something like the acronym XML it expands XSL, XSLT, XSL-FO, XPath, XQuery, XLink, XPointer, DTD, Schema, XML DOM, XForms, SOAP, WSDL, RDF, RSS, WAP, and Web Services. So knowing XML and knowing XML can be two different things to two different people.
Anyway, I am only 19 now and I make over 60k! I think I'll be making a few SCAR scripts since I find it fascinating.
I'm new to programming. But I have plenty of time to learn, I'm just 12 :)
Wait, you didn't know I was twelve :p?
Thanks for some information on yourself. I always think it is strange when adults decide to post on a forum like SRL-Forums. I don't really understand the touch-typing thing though -- is it like a different keyboard layout? Because if you've ever read about it, the qwerty keyboard was made to slow typists down, so I'm guessing its partly that. I remember seeing a keyboard with only about 10 keys on it, and you had to press down almost 5 at a time.
I'm 16 now (just starting java, C++, php MySQL)
but i started to learn html and javascript round 12 years old :D
QWERTY's not slowing me down! I pwn it!
Started looking at Delphi at around 12. That's when I started learning SCAR too. I'm now 13 and know SCAR very thoroughly, and a little bit of Delphi.
I'm 12.
What most people here will find is that they have quite a large understanding for pascal :D which is a bonus, as that is the basics of scar im quite sure given a book of commands i could write most stuff, i recently learnt a bit of C and it seems alright the only real difference is syntax... hope tahts the same for all of them :D
P.s im 16 :p
Touch typing doesn't involve any special keyboard its just a method invented in the early 1900s by a writer using the typewriter which is the fastest and most effective _practical_ typing method invented to date. I recommend downloading a program like Mavis Beacon Teaches Typing off www.isohunt.com to learn and practice it. Just type the program in the Search box and download one with the most Seeds and most current version. Get uTorrent if you don't have a program that can process .torrent files. In the top right hand of uTorrent there are search engines for Torrent databases also. You can get practically any software there.Quote:
Originally Posted by R0b0t1
I first started HTML from when I was about 8. But there was nothing I could really try it on (because you had to fake your age over 13 to create a forum :p(I "abode" by the rules back then :p)), so eventually I just faked it, and I was really good at it. I learnt HTML firstly from the Neopets HTML Guide (lol I know... :p).
I then went onto Visual Basic, and, I had a lot of help from my cousins (they are about 18 now(I'm 14 :p)) and I was able to create some really simple things...(my best thing being a client :p).
I then went onto SCAR and was one of the population pwning Jagex. :p
That's my story ^^
Are you saying you couldn't test your HTML because you couldn't create a forum to post HTML in?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lacky
Hello and Welcome to the SRL Forums... Please reserve posting in bold or colors for emphasis on certain words.Quote:
Originally Posted by apolloiiix
Best Regards,
~RAM
I could, but the type of forum I wanted to created (a free hosting one) was www.proboards.com. You have to be over 13 to register with one of those, and back then, I abided by the rules, so I couldn't create one because I wasn't allowed because I wasn't of age yet then.Quote:
Originally Posted by apolloiiix
Understand?
For some reason, I get the feeling he isn't doing it on purpose Ram.Quote:
Originally Posted by RAM
Im 12 atm but im trying to learn all this stuff lol not doing to good at it but, im trying
Man I'm only 16... I feel so old and stupid lmao! I only know a bit of VB and SCAR sadly... I really wanna learn more though! I love spending hours just sitting there scripting... you guys are amazing!
Don't feel old because you are 16...think what Fakawi's thinking! He is 44!
I need your adviceQuote:
Originally Posted by apolloiiix
I'm 18 and in college, and I wanted to do the exact same thing as you (make websites for $$$). Right now I'm learning Flash, so I can make complete websites in it.
Is that a good idea?
Anything else I should learn?
How do I advertise myself?
Thanks
15 i start learning PHP and WML :)
14, I know PHP, HTML (well I knew HTML when I was only 10), Scar ofcourse, Delphi.
I'm currently 16 (soon 17), started HTML when I was 14 (maybe it was a bit earlier...;)). Moved on to php at the age of 15, which I enjoyed alot since it was so easy to use and well designed for it's purpose (websites/databases). Now I'm currently learning C# and more in pascal, since I find it quite fun to program runescape scripts :D
I'm currently making some money on creating websites but I'm already quite busy with school, so I don't spend so much time on it.
I don't use Flash. I think it should only be used for animation. If you want to stimulate the interactivity of Flash a Web Developer in the Web 2 era should use HTML, XML, PHP, and JavaScript. XML's XMLHttpRequest object will allow you to call any Server script and receive its output which you can pour into any HTML object using JavaScript/HTML DOM. This allows you to do absolutely anything without reloading the client's browser. Its the future of the web.Quote:
Originally Posted by lolpie
I'd say you'll find a huge amount of people, companies, and recruiting agencies looking for developers on Monster or Craigslist and all you have to do to get a job without a degree is finish a project demonstrating your capabilities, maybe even serveral. Let's just say hands down if you were the author of phpBB or some peice of excellent OpenSource technology you would be getting hired for a good paycheck.
Im 13, going to be 14 in 21 days :D
I know visual basic, some PHP and HTML, and learning C# .NET.
Can you recommend some books on getting started learning these things?Quote:
Originally Posted by apolloiiix
lol. Im 14, know pretty much nothing compared to all you guys. But, at least I'm smarter than my real life friends by a long shot =P
I would recommend http://www.w3schools.com/ If you learn and experiment with the HTML, XHTML, CSS, XML, JavaScript, HTML DOM, DHTML, PHP, & SQL sections you will get a good framework. You must also approach learning these things with patience and a love of understand them. It shouldn't be work but play. I don't recommend ASP.NET or Microsoft technologies because they are not cross-platform for the most part. Then you will want to install Apache server, with PHP and MySQL, you can use the documentation on each of their websites and download the products free to constuct your own server to test and build your applications locally. Its also good to understand them because you will be working with them.Quote:
Originally Posted by lolpie
Basically all of those technologies I mentioned are client side, except PHP and your SQL database, which are server side. All of your client side technologies are molded into the Browser(Mozilla Firefox), and the server side are molded into the Server(Apache). The client side technologies operate on the clients computer, the server side technologies operate on the server.
Also, you can download all of your books for free off websites like http://www.isohunt.com/, they are usually refered as eBooks. To select your books you can visit sites like Amazon and search "PHP" in the books section and sort by most popular. The best part is all of the technologies and all of the material is absolutely free! It just takes the dedication of time. In my experience the books are only good for theory, or for something you are having a very difficult time learning, as the books go far more into detail. There are references for all of the abilities of these technologies for free, if not by the author of the technology then a site like w3schools.com. Google will be your good friend in your career also. If you encounter an error in the script post it in Google, etc.
PHP is not the most powerful language for the Web Developer though, but it is the best language for OpenSource and collaborative software. You will see thats why Wikipedia uses it and so does phpBB, etc. Because of its nature companies select it if Java is overkill, since PHP is cheaper. PHPs rival is ASP.NET, which only runs on Microsoft servers and is more powerful for using that platform exclusively, PHP runs on any platform though, so thats its strength. For enterprise applications in web development you will see them using Java on the server side, like eBay, since its closed source and only the developers must understand the code. Java is cross-platform and offers the most power of all server side languages.
PHP and ASP jobs will be 45-80k, Java developers can make over 100k. The real jackpot is starting your own dot com like YouTube, Craigslist, Wikipedia, MySpace, Digg, etc. where the potential is millions or billions. Many of these are built by self taught programmers in their garages, all it takes is a great idea and the ability to create it. Many of the greatest intellectuals and ideas are created by self taught people.
HTML , CSS, PHP - since like 14 :D
tried to learn Java but went no where with that...
now doing SRL and SCAR
I started learning SCAR when 12, (r0b0t z0mg you're 12 too? ) and couple days ago I turned 13.
And I know Java, though small amount.
I think the average of these forums is 14.
I gave up on web developing when I decided I wanted to hack the FBI.
Roflmao :DQuote:
I gave up on web developing when I decided I wanted to hack the FBI.
Umm does that mean you protected yourself from hacking the FBI or you didnt have time to learn WD because you had to learn ub3rl33th4x?
The bold... it hurts.
Anyways, started actually getting into programming ~13 with SCAR. Knew a little bit of C++ when I was 12, but not much. Now I'm nearing 14, pretty fluent in SCAR, and learning Java. Knew a bit of HTML/CSS, but stopped for a while and forgot it.
Yeah, and what some other guys said, once you know one programming language (OO, at least, but SCAR helps the understanding) you sort of know them all.
To hack you must understand web development and programming extremely well though, as to break into a server over a network such as the internet you have to understand the languages and technologies the network uses, then you find and exploit its security flaws. Most servers communicate using technologies like Apache, PHP, MySQL, etc. As for understanding the operating system the server uses you will need to know C++, etc. As for the network itself, protocols like TCP/IP. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by R0b0t1
well i made own private server when i was like 12, ive trying to learn something about scipting here, but im still no good.. :p
Yes, your right. Almost all languages use the same basic syntax, Thank Goodness, but technologies like PHP, C++, and Java also have huge libraries of functions || classes that must all be experimented, memorized, and understood to truly make them useful, or get hired. On the theory side, you need to understand things like OO, Data Structures, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kik
Yes, its not hard to start a server, you can even use packages like WAMP make installing Apache, MySQL, and PHP as easy as installing SCAR, but installing them manually can be a bit more difficult. What type of HTTP server did you install?Quote:
Originally Posted by vasu
well happy birthday :)Quote:
Originally Posted by n3ss3s
i got into html pretty early, i was about 8. i just fiddled with it for years until i was about 11 when i started learning php. for about 2 years i stuck to php with the eventual javascript and css period. I learnt a very little bit of psp programming (quite fun actually) but gave up cus i dont have a psp to test it on. And then i found exactly what i needed to keep my brain occupied, a scripting community :) srl.
RMagician
I was 8 when i started VB then at 10 or so started C++ now i can program most languages including C++, Html ,C#,VB, Assembly and a little bit of java.