Weaknesses of Evolution
PrologueAlright, now I know that the majority of the world accepts the idea of evolution. When you enter this topic, you probably think to yourself "this is another one of those crazy creationalists". This may be your thoughts, it may not. I encourage you not to look at this thread as an insult to evolution, but you do need to question it if that is what you believe.
We are both people. I am not like other creationalists, I once believed in evolution. You must understand that you and I are both human being searching for real meaning in this life. If I am wrong and if you can bring creditable, factual information that would disprove my thoughts, then by all means please tell me so I can conform.
I write this not becase I am some radical, not because I am uneducated.. I write it because I see no other options for explaining. This thread will explain all of my knowledge of things do not make sense inside the evolutionary belief. It is not a thread for you to bash and critise Me or Intelectual Design. It is a thread for you to attempt to answer these questions.
About me
I am a simple 16 year old guy, never asked for much in life. I was in public school until the 5th grade, afterwhich I moved to a private school. Now I know you are all saying "A private schooler, that makes sense he believes this", but let me explain something to you. There is almost no difference between the behavior of the people in private school and the behavior of them in public school. More than half of the people in my private school do not belief or care about a God. I didn't at first ethier... Then I read a book "The FARCE of evolution". This brought things into perspective for me. I decided to do more research and I continued to do so until the evidence was too overwhelming to belief otherwise. Looking at this statement, I try to analyze what you are thinking, and of course it is "Oh no, not again", but please, bear with me. You will soon question yourself, I guarentee you.
Keep this quote in mind ;).Quote:
Scientists must continuely tell themselves that what they see has not been created, but evolved.
This thread
This thead was meant only to educate you on the arguements against the creditability of evolution. This thread is not for bashing creationalism because of you personal beliefs and that you do not care about anything, it is for basic conversation and debate. This thread is NOT meant for convincing you of any specific denomination, as they will vary. My only goal is to get you to consider Intellegent Design. NO FLAMING.
Past Experience
Well, with my past experience, I have talked to a few people here about intellegent design, a few of my close friends here. I once spoke with Mastaraymond, in which we talked for a 24 page long conversation about this. By the end of our discussion, I had him understanding that evolution is SO HIGHLY IMPROBABLE that he admitted that it could not be true, yet there must be another way. Of course, Mastaraymond should not take this as an insult because it was meant as a compliment ;). He was an awesome example, thank you Mastaraymond for being an openminded person.
Charles Darwin
Ah yes, Charles Darwin. A great mind, no doubting it. Let me explain to those who do not know him a little about him. Charles Darwin was a great naturalist. I believe he was born in austrilia and he moved to england, of course this information might be wrong. I do know, however that he went to school to be a preacher, but dropped out soon because he was simply not interested in becoming one. He liked to collect things, all different species of things. Plants, animals, you name it, he liked to collect it. NATURAL SELECTION is the idea that animals evolve over time to fit with their enviroment. He is in fact the inventor of this true idea. Yes I said it is true. He came to this conclusion after studying breeds of finch birds off of an island his ship The Beaglestopped off at a nearby island. During his studies of the finches on this island, he examined that during years of drought, the finches with longer beaks would survive because they could burrow deeply into tree trunks and get food, as well as break open dried fruit on the ground and get food easier. The finches with the long beaks would live and the ones with the short beaks would die, thus the phrase "Survival of the Fittest". He then went on studying these and after awhile, he published his book The Origin of the Species. Now, here is where I start not to agree with the common thought. Of course the finches did evolve. What your textbooks do not tell you, is that after a year or so the drought would end and the finches with short beaks would flourish again. This is called de evolution, which does not occur in our society, or the idea of EVOLUTION would be broken. This is my weakest point, but it is not meant to be one. In a sense, all I am trying to say is that your textbooks will not tell you what they cannot explain, just like a teacher will not start a chapter on something they cannot teach. They are not shielding you, they are just blind ;).
The Unvierse
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Now, I am not going to build up to the arguements. You know the only necissary piece of information of evolution in my opinion. Of course someone else might think some other part is important, and please feel free to post it if that makes you feel better, else let's get to some points. Now, I am going to compile some information I have asked a few individuals and ask you them, they include many things about the universe.
Infinity
Infinity, what a strange topic. If you do not know what this is, it is defined as the charateristic of never ending. The number line however does extend to infinity. Yet, think about this. It does not only extend to infinity going from 0 to 1 to 2 and so on, or as mathematicians would call in, in consecutive order. It extends backwards infinity too. As in, it wil go on forever from 0 to -1 to -2 to -3 etc. The number line is also infinity in between. This is something most do not think about. there is an infinite number of numbers inside two whole numbers. For instance, in between 0 and 1, there is .1, .01, .001, .0001, .00001, and so on. This is not a difficult idea. NO SCIENTIST OR MATHEMATICIAN WILL EVER ARGUE THE FACT THAT THE NUMBER LINE IS NOT INFINITE IN ALL OF THESE ASPECTS. Only a moron would belief it wasn't. But you see, whenever God is called infinite, others push him away and say it is not true. Why? Of course, I see no answer you could say except that you cannot see God but you can see the number line. Of course, the number line is a thing in your head and only because we have put it down on paper can you see it, but of course I will give you that one and go on to say that although some animals may have the capacity to understand the number line, most do not. Some do however. My question is how is this different from our society and God ;).
The Chance
Now, you should have an open mind. I have showed you that this could be at least slightly possible, so please do not rule out God. People think that you have to be a lunatic to believe in God, but last time I checked, you have to have faith to believe in evolution too, because you would have to know everything about conditions of the world throughout all history, every single stage we went through to become what we are know, fully understand DNA and all its 4 billion nitrogen gases in every cell in your body, what all their functions are, and you must have experience in anantomy and be able to explain much more to know. So, please agree to be open, not biased. Now, the chance. Every single thing that happens in our universe is cause and effect. The universe depends on it. Things inn the universe do not happen without a cause, or it would be considered chaos. I could go through a whole list of examples of things that have causes and effects, but I will not to save time. If you can find one thing that can come without cause, please do tell. There is nothing, believe me I have searched. Everything in space has a cause.
In the 2002 movie, Space Oddessy, mankind found a strange obelisk on the moon. This of course is a fictional story, but bear with me. To suggest to anyone who has read the book or seen the movie that the obelisk was not created would be considered a fool. Yet somehow, with our universe, which is far more complex and vast, people think otherwise. This is one of the most obvious, yet not one of the most convincing. Please someone explain this to me.
Let me explain a simple mathematic equation :). Now, let me give you a quote I gave Boreas down below in this page just so I don't have to write this out.
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Originally Posted by pwnaz0r
Irreducible ComplexityInformation from OurWorld.Compuserve.com
In Darwin’s time the cell was believed to be a ‘homogeneous globule of protoplasm’, but it is now known to contain systems of mind-boggling complexity. Some cells swim using a cilium, a structure that looks like a hair and beats like a whip. Cilia are very complicated molecular machines, containing about 200 different kinds of protein parts. It is an example of what Michael Behe calls an ‘irreducibly complex system’ – i.e. a system which ceases to function if any one of its interrelated parts is removed. Such systems, he says, cannot be produced in the gradual, step-by-step manner that Darwin envisaged, and would have to arise all at once.
Another irreducibly complex system is the rotatory flagellum – a sort of outboard motor that some bacteria use to swim. The device includes a long tail that acts as a propeller; the hook region, which attaches the propeller to the drive shaft; the motor, which uses a flow of acid from outside the bacterium to the inside to power the turning; a stator, which keeps the structure stationary in the plane of the membrane while the propeller turns; and bushing material to allow the drive shaft to poke up through the bacterial membrane. In the absence of the hook, the motor, the propeller, drive shaft, or most of the 40 types of proteins necessary for the construction and operation of the flagellum, either no flagellum is produced or one that does not work at all.1
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homep.../flagellum.jpg
Fig. 7.4. Drawing of a bacterial flagellum showing the filament, hook, and the motor imbedded in the inner and outer cell membranes and the cell wall.2
Other examples of irreducible complexity include vision, blood clotting, and the intracellular protein transport system. Behe points out that the technical literature is essentially silent when it comes to explaining in any detail how such intricate systems might have evolved in a darwinian fashion; most of the papers in molecular biology journals are concerned with DNA sequence analysis. Darwinism has become stuck in the world of imagination.
Darwin admitted that the belief that an organ as perfect as the eye could have been formed by natural selection is ‘enough to stagger anyone’, but appealed to the enormous period of time available. Even more staggering is the current belief that camera-type eyes (like our own) evolved randomly and independently at least seven times. Like Darwin, Richard Dawkins thinks that the eye evolved step by step through a series of intermediate stages. But even the ‘light-sensitive spot’ that Dawkins takes as his starting point is a multicell organ, each of whose cells makes the complexity of a motorcycle or television look paltry in comparison. Dawkins merely adds complex systems to complex systems and calls that an explanation. Behe comments:
This can be compared to answering the question ‘How is a stereo system made?’ with the words ‘By plugging a set of speakers into an amplifier, and adding a CD player, radio receiver, and tape deck.’
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/dp5/eye.jpg
I simply did not write this because they explained it and had all the pictures already made.
DNA
ah yes, DNA. Probably my favorite one. Most people do not understand the complexity of DNA.
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Now, look at this DNA Model. Scientists cannot make one of these. They have no idea how it formed this way, such a complex shape, perfect for packaging in a cell. Perfect for unzipping and letting RNA come in and get the exact right information every time. By the way, how do these mindless, evolved enzymes find their way through 4 billion nitrogen bases and get the exact right information? Scientists do not know. Compare it to looking blindly through 10 million libraries and finding the exact 5 books you need to do your book report, there are no double copies in these libraries though. Also pretend you do not know how to read (because remember, the cell was evolved, so the RNA goes in as the enyzme unzips the DNA all at once, and just as the RNA assembles one RNA base, the DNA zips back up, so when this RNA exits the nucleus, the protein that folds it into its exact right shape everytime would not know what it was doing, remember, its random... the organizing of 400+ amino acids.), yet you still write the report and get a 100...
If you saw the picture above in New York city, imagine each nitrogen base is a level of floor (10 feet standard). This would be 40 billion ft tall, although I do not know meters, I believe it would be around 13 billion meters? Anyways, look at the design, you can see it. It's a double helix, for goodness sake. Even Watson and Crick, the two scientists who discovered the shape of DNA said that it was too complex not to be designed. I bet you hadn't heard that in science class right? Please remember not to forget that this random makeup of 4 billion nitrogen bases into the perfect shape, a double helix of all things, with always matching pairs out of the 4 bases used, which is smaller than even a cell's nucleus, yet it codes for you entire body, everything that makes you and if you have ever taken anatomy you know thats alot, is all random ;).
A quick edit
I wanted to post this here, it has some good points :). You will find I quote myself to save typing time quite often.
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Originally Posted by pwnaz0r
