9/11 hoax

Okay, this vid is absolutely rediculous to me.

1. There is no good reason for our government to do that
2. Why would all the liberal media (who hates President Bush) keep it under wraps?
3. Why would flight 93 happen?
4. What about http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0Qu6eyyr4c vid? looks pretty damn clear to me.
5. The backdrops on 75% of the videos make it almost impossible to see the plane.
6. The shots where you cannot see the wings are at angles where they blend in with the plane, if you remember the plane was kinda tilted when it hit the WTC

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Originally Posted by djcheater

hmm your arms companies arent, all the money ur making in iraq, your companies getting contracts to rebuild?

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Sorry, let me rephrase that:

The economy of the USA got fucked as a result of the "War against Terrorism."

Haha wow threads like these always seem to be popular.
And just happen's that I know alot on this subject, I believe that the U.S. Government was behind it.

Ok ok here I go..



Someone asked "why", did they do it?

Controlling Interests
The World Trade Center complex came under the control of a private owner for the first time only in mid-2001, having been built and managed by the Port Authority as a public resource. The complex was leased to a partnership of Silverstein Properties and Westfield America. The new controllers acquired a handsome insurance policy for the complex including a clause that would prove extremely valuable: in the event of a terrorist attack, the partnership could collect the insured value of the property, and be released from their obligations under the 99-year lease.

On April 26 of 2001 the Board of Commissioners for the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey awarded Silverstein Properties and mall-owner Westfield America a 99-year-lease on the following assets: The Twin Towers, World Trade Center Buildings 4 and 5, two 9-story office buildings, and 400,000 square feet of retail space.

In February of 2002 Silverstein Properties won $861 million from Industrial Risk Insurers to rebuild on the site of WTC 7. Silverstein Properties' estimated investment in WTC 7 was $386 million. So: This building's collapse resulted in a profit of about $500 million US Dollars.

After the attack, Silverstein Properties commenced litigation against its insurers, claiming it was entitled to twice the insurance policies' value because, according to a spokesman for Mr. Silverstein, "the two hijacked airliners that struck the 110-story twin towers Sept. 11 were separate 'occurrences' for insurance purposes, entitling him to collect twice on $3.6 billion of policies." This was reported in the Bloomberg News less than one month after the attack.

To put these events in perspective, imagine that a person leases an expensive house, and immediately takes out an insurance policy covering the entire value of the house and specifically covering bomb attacks. Six weeks later two bombs go off in the house, separated by an hour. The house burns down, and the lessor immediately sues the insurance company to pay him twice the value of the house, and ultimately wins. The lessor also gets the city to dispose of the wreckage, excavate the site, and help him build a new house on the site.


What happened to the people on the planes?

First off, theres a doubt they were even real planes.
The excellent study of the 9/11 footage proves that the planes shown to us on TV defied light physics and remained illuminated in areas where they should have had shadows casted upon them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJL91tfFJ9Q


But I believe that there were planes Involved.
So this is what I believed happened.

The Hijackers of the Planes were not at a level capable of what was accomplished on 9/11. This is really the major evidence. Under pressure, we are supposed to believe Amateur Pilots were able to hit the target dead on like that?

Supposed Hijacker Hani Hanjour moves from Florida to the San Francisco Bay area in California, staying with an unidentified family. He lives with them from late April to early September. For most of this time he takes English lessons in an intensive program requiring 30 hours of class time per week, at the ELS Language Center at Holy Names College in Oakland. He reportedly reaches a level of proficiency sufficient to “survive well in the English language.” Yet in 2001, managers at an Arizona flight school will report him to the FAA at least five times, partly because they think his level of English is inadequate for him to keep his pilot’s license. Due to his poor English, it will take Hanjour five hours to complete an oral exam meant to last just two hours (see January-February 2001). At the end of this period, Hanjour enrolls on a rigorous one-year flight training program at the renowned Sierra Academy of Aeronautics, in Oakland. He took several small test flights in a small Cessna Aircraft with our Instructor, but failed because his Piloting Skill were way below average. However, he attended the 30-minute orientation class, on September 8, and then never returns.

The video of the aircraft hitting the Pentagon - well, no real evidence there. The Hotel across the road - video evidence taken and never returned - this would solve the mystery entire! Why the secrecy?

We all should know that a plane did not hit the Pentagon. There were no imprints where wings / engines should have hit and there was no sign of an aircraft in the wreckage inside. The 'aircraft' also happened to conveniently hit the vacated area of the Pentagon that was undergoing construction.

http://i37.tinypic.com/jtnygo.jpg


The WTC Buildings were shut down the weekend prior to 9/11 for 24-28 hours while supposedly "their electrical systems were being updated". Admittedly, anyone and anything could have entered the buildings at that time. Also at the same time, all bomb sniffing dogs / security guards, were evacuated from the building because of a "Bomb Drill", and were told that they were not needed to return to work until the electrical systems were updated.

Troubling questions arose about the alleged pilot-hijackers of the four aircraft, who were supposedly trained on Cessna aircraft over the past year at fields in Florida and Oklahoma. One General officer remarked, "I seriously question whether these novices could have located a target dead-on 200 miles removed from takeoff point... much less controlled
the flight and mastered the intricacies of 11FR (instrument flight rules) -- and all accomplished in 45 minutes."
The extremely skillful maneuvering of the three aircraft at near mach speeds, each unerringly hitting their targets, was superb. As one Air Force officer -- a veteran of over 100 sorties over North Vietnam -- explained, "Those birds (commercial airliners) either had a crack fighter pilot in the left seat, or they were being maneuvered by remote
control."

"We were totally trained on the old type of hijack," Capt Hill said, "where you treat the hijacker cordially, punch a 4-digit code into your transponder to alert ground control you're being hijacked, and then get him where he wants to go, set the plane safely on the ground and let them deal with it on the ground. However, this is a totally new situation... Not one of the planes alerted ground control that they were being hijacked." How come?
"The fact is, all the transponders were turned off on the doomed flights virtually at the same time." Look at their departure times -- two from Logan (Boston), one from Newark, another from Dulles (Washington DC) -- all between 8 am and 8:15 am. Shortly after climb-out to flight level, their transponders are de-activated.. (they are no longer a blip on the radar screens). This is something that really needs to be looked into. The only reason we turn them off is so they don't interfere with ground systems when we land." (Note: Transponders identify a particular aircraft in flight on the
radar screens of FAA flight controllers located throughout the country. Various codes are punched into the transponder, one displaying, "I am being hijacked.")

Hill said: "Even if I had a gun at my head, I'd never fly a plane into a building. I'd try to put it in anywhere -- a field or a river --and I'd be scaring the hell out of them (the hijackers) by flying upside down first," Hill said. In fact, the pilot has the best weapon in his hand when threatened with imminent death by a hijacker, namely, the airplane.
Another airline pilot stated. "On hearing a major scuffle in the cabin, the pilot should have inverted the aircraft and the hijackers end up with broken necks." That none of the four pilots executed such a maneuver points toward the
fact that none of them had control of their aircraft, but had been overridden by an outside force, which was flying them by remote control.

No one will ever know what really happened to the people on those aircraft,
Some believe that they were evacuated into an old abandoned NASA research lab, and killed.


R0b0t1: The high octane fuel being used to power jets is quite capable of the damage that was caused. Also, the structural damage is what actually caused the buildings to collapse, so just shut up.

I have a tonne of evidence to prove your wrong. :p

The collapse of both World Trade Center towers — and the smaller WTC 7 a few hours later — initially surprised even some experts. But subsequent studies have shown that the WTC's structural integrity was destroyed by intense fire as well as the severe damage inflicted by the planes. That explanation hasn't swayed conspiracy theorists, who contend that all three buildings were wired with explosives in advance and razed in a series of controlled demolitions.

Claim: The first hijacked plane crashed through the 94th to the 98th floors of the World Trade Center's 110-story North Tower; the second jet slammed into the 78th to the 84th floors of the 110-story South Tower. The impact and ensuing fires disrupted elevator service in both buildings. Plus, the lobbies of both buildings were visibly damaged before the towers collapsed. "There is NO WAY the impact of the jet caused such widespread damage 80 stories below," claims by a firefighter on site. "It is OBVIOUS and irrefutable that OTHER EXPLOSIVES (... such as concussion bombs) HAD ALREADY BEEN DETONATED in the lower levels of tower one at the same time as the plane crash."

Jet fuel burns at 600° to 1500°F, not hot enough to melt high-grade building steel at 2750°F.


Anyway this took me ages to do, But this video explains it ALL.
This video is the video of all 9/11 videos, if you watch the whole thing, I'm 90% sure that you will believe it was the U.S. Government.

Take a look: 9/11 Cover Up


Thanks,
TurboBk. :)

well whoever done it REAL people died that day so respect that!

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Originally Posted by turbobk

Take a look: 9/11 Cover Up


Thanks,
TurboBk. :)

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Well explained.

Turbo well said. Beter than half the people here coulda put it

The moon is made of cheese. I can prove it, you see I get hungry and eat it and it shrinks in size, then I milk a cow and put it back and it grows. The government is hiding it so people in Africa starve!

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Originally Posted by lakerzz8

The moon is made of cheese. I can prove it, you see I get hungry and eat it and it shrinks in size, then I milk a cow and put it back and it grows. The government is hiding it so people in Africa starve!

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This is a serious thread, if you want to be a smart ass please take it else where,
If you have nothing useful to say, then say nothing at all.

I think this hoax can be plausible, Us government could have used the 9/11 attacks as an excuse to putting on that USA patriot act. (taking certain human rights away from "suspected people") but well like others saying its a 9/11 a hoax would be just absurd.

So my opinion would be... its a hoax cause, you can't just say out of no where that your talking someones rights away. International Laws would be against the US if they were to do that. But international laws could be avoided by having a valid reason. The best thing to blame 9/11 on, would be its enemies. How did they hijack the plane, best thing to blame is the airliners for having no security.

oil!

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Originally Posted by turbobk

Yet in 2001, managers at an Arizona flight school will report him to the FAA at least five times, partly because they think his level of English is inadequate for him to keep his pilot’s license.

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I've yet to finish reading your post, however part of that 5 (citation where you found that?) was also due to him not caring to learn how to land planes..

This is aimed at the missile theories of the first page.

Do you claim that after the crash, traces of a plane were gone? Planes don't just dissapear, there was fucking half of a plane sticking out of the tower...

I don't even understand why do people have to think of always more incredible conspiracy theories, is it because those people are just about to mentally crash because of horribility of the incident?

Also, what's the big deal about if there were other explosives too? You god damn plan an attack like that, and I'll give my pure to the member being able to prove, that the hijackers wanted a free flight to Canary, but they were poor so they decided to hijack a plane, then, when they were in air, one guy that was really pissed because his friend stuffed a banana in his ass and he couldn't use the plane bathroom without the banana going deeper when he sits down to have acrap, knocks out all the other guys, turns the plane around, and pics a random target that happened to be World Trade Center.


I don't claim the missile videos are fake, but all of that missile explosion is just a small circular flash, size of around one window, and missiles have different use than flashlights.

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Originally Posted by sk8terbitu

it was not planes it was started because the goverment needed a logical way to start a war there is more behind the war i think this whole terroest thing is bs we are over there looking for something and its not bin laden..... there is more that the govarment is hiding...

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Thank you at least somene knows whats going on here ad is willing to back me up.

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Originally Posted by n3ss3s

This is aimed at the missile theories of the first page.

Do you claim that after the crash, traces of a plane were gone? Planes don't just dissapear, there was fucking half of a plane sticking out of the tower...

I don't even understand why do people have to think of always more incredible conspiracy theories, is it because those people are just about to mentally crash because of horribility of the incident?

Also, what's the big deal about if there were other explosives too? You god damn plan an attack like that, and I'll give my pure to the member being able to prove, that the hijackers wanted a free flight to Canary, but they were poor so they decided to hijack a plane, then, when they were in air, one guy that was really pissed because his friend stuffed a banana in his ass and he couldn't use the plane bathroom without the banana going deeper when he sits down to have acrap, knocks out all the other guys, turns the plane around, and pics a random target that happened to be World Trade Center.


I don't claim the missile videos are fake, but all of that missile explosion is just a small circular flash, size of around one window, and missiles have different use than flashlights.

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I know the planes hit the tower just some idiot said that i was talking about the wtc. When I was talking about the pentagon.

Planes hit the towers, a missile hit the pentagon

the people suspected of hijacking the planes, actually didnt have any plane experience, liscense (i forget where i read that)

Osama is in his million dollar suite in Beverly Hills. (my theory :p )

The people in the "Plane" that hit the pentagon that died, where are the families and friends??? the phone calls to loved ones that say their plane was hijacked??? and i always hear about peoples family members and aquantences(sp?) that hit the tower, NEVER the pentagon.

this "plane" that hit the pentagon went 5(dont remember) layers deep into the pentagon.

flight 93, in the video, buried itself into the ground and burned up alot of the plane, i dont see why the government would randomly drop a missile there AND if it was a missile it would have singed the grass around it? mabye even the trees...

the government did it so theyd have an excuse to go to the middle east and take over oil rigs. why do you think the US has the cheapest gas prices in the world..

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Originally Posted by josh81193

why do you think the US has the cheapest gas prices in the world..

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Saudi Arabia actually has the cheapest gas ;) It's less than $1 per gallon I believe.

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Originally Posted by [-jesus-]

Saudi Arabia actually has the cheapest gas ;) It's less than $1 per gallon I believe.

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oh oops, yeah. way to leave out the obvious ;P
my theory still makes sense :O

There is no way that the government could hide the fact the missiles were used....there were hundreds if not THOUSANDS of witnesses that SAW a PLANE crash into the buildings....

AND....IF there was any video evidence of a missile hitting it, the government would not be able to keep the news from showing it because the station that aired it would make A LOT of money from having the exclusive...

How old are the people that think there is a conspiracy? Just wondering...

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Originally Posted by [-jesus-]

Saudi Arabia actually has the cheapest gas ;) It's less than $1 per gallon I believe.

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Its 15 cents a gallon in Venezuela ;).

@brian. Im positive it was some kind of planes that hit the towers. But the pentagon, im not to sure. And I havent seen a live video that shows an airplane hitting the pentagon.

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Originally Posted by kingarabian

. And I havent seen a live video that shows an airplane hitting the pentagon.

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because the FBI confiscated them... :|

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Originally Posted by kingarabian

Its 15 cents a gallon in Venezuela ;).

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Saudi Arabia has higher quality crude oil ;)

& as far as the Pentagon being hit, that is the only one I believe could have been a missle, since there were no vids of it being hit until in like 2006/2007 when a video from a command post or w/e outside of it saw the plane come in (at an almost perfect angle also, looked like it was fucking landing as if there wasnt even a building there luls).

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Originally Posted by kingarabian

@brian. Im positive it was some kind of planes that hit the towers. But the pentagon, im not to sure. And I havent seen a live video that shows an airplane hitting the pentagon.

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So are you saying it was the government? (that hit the pentagon)
if so: you must be saying that they were sitting around and saw the planes hit the WTC, and they were like..."I gots me a ID-er! lets us hit that them thar pentygone with a flyin missail!"?

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Originally Posted by Brain

So are you saying it was the government? (that hit the pentagon)
if so: you must be saying that they were sitting around and saw the planes hit the WTC, and they were like..."I gots me a ID-er! lets us hit that them thar pentygone with a flyin missail!"?

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You impersonate George Bush so well!!:D

You don't need to completely melt a metal to make it weak. The fact that the jet fuel was at least half of its melting temperature means it can at least soften it a great deal.

There is obviously money involved here. This is the stupid part -- you can prove anything both ways. Obviously there will be no answer here unless somebody has a gun held to their head.


EDIT: That picture with the plane 'projection' isn't very trustworthy... ICBBTE

Planes? IT WAS FLYING FISHING POLES!
nobody belives me...

EDIT: No, wtf am I talkign about, it was [-jesus-]'s roflcopter1!!11!

so why haven't they released a video of the pentagon crash? just one clip would prove it!

Butterfly's blew up the twin towers..

Seriously, what is this for crap stuff?

You don't need to completely melt a metal to make it weak. The fact that the jet fuel was at least half of its melting temperature means it can at least soften it a great deal.

There is obviously money involved here. This is the stupid part -- you can prove anything both ways. Obviously there will be no answer here unless somebody has a gun held to their head.

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Originally Posted by mastaraymond

Butterfly's blew up the twin towers..

Seriously, what is this for crap stuff?

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to be honest, i dont believe 99% of the video. LOL

except from the helicopter shot when there was no plane, then it zoomed in and appeared to come from nowhere, that was kinda weird.

im trying to not make this sound like spam or anything but, this message is to the creator of this thread and people that agree with him..I hate you.

Why? Because this is complete anti-american bullshit...seriously dont be confused by this garbage lmao. how could the government convince the media??? THE MEDIA IS LIBERAL AS FUCK AND HATES BUSH...THREAD CLOSED

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Originally Posted by wazzzup

THE MEDIA IS LIBERAL AS FUCK AND HATES BUSH...THREAD CLOSED

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well, he is kinda the president of the united states. he has guns, and money. i could see why they would do what he says ;)

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Originally Posted by djcheater

so why haven't they released a video of the pentagon crash? just one clip would prove it!

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http://911review.org/Wiki/PentagonAttackCctvVideo.shtml

Looks like a missile IMO, isn't colored like a plain/doesnt look like the nose of one..

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well, he is kinda the president of the united states. he has guns, and money. i could see why they would do what he says

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umm josh im pretty sure u just quoted me on like a 1/5th of what i said did u read it all? -.-

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Originally Posted by wazzzup

umm josh im pretty sure u just quoted me on like a 1/5th of what i said did u read it all? -.-

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yes i did. but i only wanted to comment on that part :p

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Originally Posted by wazzzup

im trying to not make this sound like spam or anything but, this message is to the creator of this thread and people that agree with him..I hate you.

Why? Because this is complete anti-american bullshit...seriously dont be confused by this garbage lmao. how could the government convince the media??? THE MEDIA IS LIBERAL AS FUCK AND HATES BUSH...THREAD CLOSED

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Are you okay? Did you care to read turbo's and some other peoples posts?

all of this is absolutely the largest pile pile of shit i have ever seen. To all you conspiracy theorists out there, i left more sense floating in the toilet this morning.

1) There were planes that were hijacked that day. Don't believe me, how about all those phone conversations that people had with loved ones from the plane?

2) It is very obvious in all clips shown that a plane hits the world trade centers. You guys can throw out all your hippy bullshit about how it is edited and not real, shut the hell up.

3) The Pentagon? hit by their own missle? your kidding right...Brilliant idea guys, lets just try to start a war by TRYING TO FUCKING KILL EVERY GENERAL IN THE ARMY. Jesus christ.

4) How can you believe that your own government (or leader of the free world if your not American) would kill it's own civilians? If you are an American and believe this, just get out nobody wants you here.

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Originally Posted by WithoutFear

4) How can you believe that your own government (or leader of the free world if your not American) would kill it's own civilians? If you are an American and believe this, just get out nobody wants you here.

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HAHAH! I seriously lawled at that. You actually believe that Bush is the leader of the free world? I believe that you sir are one of the reasons that half of the world thinks that Americans are retarded.

Edit: I changed parts of my sentence at the risk of being as retarded as the post above mine.

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Originally Posted by 3Garrett3

HAHAH! I seriously lawled at that. You actually believe that Bush is the leader of the free world? I believe that you sir are one of the reasons that half of the world thinks that Americans are retarded.

Edit: I changed parts of my sentence at the risk of being as retarded as the post above mine.

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i am not talking about Bush...i'm talking about America as a whole. The non-stereotypical American. The Amercians that can locate the middle east on the map and understand the issues. I'm sure many outside of the states are always hearing about the stupidity, laziness, of every American. This is simply not true. I do not agree with Bush, i do not believe that what he is currently doing is right. For example, your Canadian right? So essentially your a maple syrup drinking icicle who lives in an igloo and hunts for seal? I assume i am way off, but i'm not far off what many Americans think of you. Just some food for thought.

Maybe being the unquestionable free-leader of the ruler went to far. What i meant to get across was that our form of government was the first of it's kind. It revolutionized modern society. It was the first government voted by the people with people who could question the government. Now that is freedom, is it not? So maybe we aren't the unquestionable leaders, but we surely got the ball rolling

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD5WlQ54Sg0

'Nuff said :)

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Originally Posted by Opal Tasty

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD5WlQ54Sg0

'Nuff said :)

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i hope that is a joke...because i'm having some trouble believing Bin Laden was a CIA operative getting paid millions. I must concede the fact that we did fund Al Qaeda back when Russia invaded Afghanistan and we gave the Afghans a ton of weapons... :duh: ...mainly it sounds like some rappers are pissed because the justice system indicted them on drugs charges

Also a very derogatory video