Obama or McCain?

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Originally Posted by Yakman

what i find the most funny is how people can believe that the government can pass laws forcing banks to give sub-prime mortgages.


could you explain to me exactly how someone would enforce that law? how can you force someone to sell something.
you can easily force someone to not sell something, but not the other way around.

so you think a lawyer is going to go up to a bank and say "John Smith came in last week asking for a loan, you guys turned him down, IM SUEING!"


also, you assume banks are powerless to stop it!

banks have massive lobby groups, they would never allow such a law to be passed that goes against their interests so badly.

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You obviously do not know much about america :\... IT HAPPENED THE LAW WAS PASSED. Do you wanna know how it was enforced? Its called the IRS ;) Aka The Internal Revenue Service, how we collect taxes..

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Originally Posted by Yakman

as for you wizzup, i think you arguments are falling on deaf ears.
you come from a country so liberal its legalized cannabis and assisted suicide.
you're talking to a country so conservative it tries to ban abortion and the teaching of evolution.

when you say
don't you think you should conserve your oil,
they'll say
no, we should pump it all out, sell it and use the money to buy a truck

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Personally i think cannabis should be legalised (nothing more though). People will do it anyway, lots of crime happens (other than the actual act) because of it. And we can collect taxes on it...

Who has tried to ban the teaching of evolution? People in my school district (and surrounding areas) tryed to get people to teach what is wrong with the theory of evolution, absolutely NOTHING about religion and it was shot down. The school system (mainly colleges) are so liberal and biased that there have been stories of people being failed for writing a paper contrary to the professors beliefs. Who says oil is not replenishable? Sure at not near the capacity we are pumping out, but we should be opening up places so we can drill and investigating other alternative resources...

Idk its a very uphill battle for mccain atm. The hill is pretty steep for him.

If you did not know already, Obama's tax plans are to increase taxes on businesses and people that make more than 250,000 dollars a year, this would be 1 million dollars gros income in one presidential term. It should be apparent that most businesses and families do not bring in anywhere near 250,000 dollars each year. In fact, it is statiscally stated that 95% of American business and families bring in less than 250,000 per year. What is Obamas proposition regarding those that make up 95% of Americans? Simple, his proposition is to provide tax breaks so that people can begin to make enough money to have extra money at the end of the year, this is not currently the case, these tax breaks will allow for 95% of America to thrive due to the fact that their hard earned money is not being returned back to the government in excess as it is now. Five percent of Americans may see taxes increase slightly;however, do you honestly believe that people will lose 250,000 dollars to the goverment, that ruthless behavior causing the downfall of the entirety of the upper class? If so, you are extremely mistaken. With lower taxes for 95% of Americans, businesses will hardly be shipped to China. Currently, jobs are being shipped overseas, this is part of the reason for the poor economical status of the United States right now. Barack Obama intends to do whatever is possible to bring jobs back into the United States as well as create new jobs so that millions of Americans can find sources of employment that they currently cannot. Racism is not acceptable, even if Obama was Muslim, it would be insulting and unethical to use that against him, the United States strives to be a place of racial freedom, and it is people like you that judge people based on their race that disgrace the United States. If you have not gathered this from what I said before, Obama is not Muslim, he is African American. In addition, Barack Obama is not a terrorist, we would not tolerate a terrorist running for a political position, nor would a terrorist be voted for to the point that Barack Obama is at. Obama is a well-meaning, peaceful man that has the interests of the citizens of the United States at heart, and he will make the changes that are necessary for well being in the United States of America.

Everybody should check out glassbooth.org, you take a quiz and figure out which Candidates line up with your beliefs most

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Originally Posted by Bobarkinator

Everybody should check out glassbooth.org, you take a quiz and figure out which Candidates line up with your beliefs most

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Wow nice find. Thanks for that.

Why increase anyone's taxes? Seriously? Is the economy doing so great that we can afford to raise taxes now?

If Obama wants to cut taxes for 95% of people, fine. Why does he have to punish another group? It's class warfare, plain and simple. It's preying on people's prejudice against a group they can't relate to. How is that any better than race baiting? If McCain was to go out there and inflame racism against Obama, he would be attacked mercilessly, but Obama has spent 2 years inflaming prejudices against the rich. There's a clear double standard.

Even Obama himself admitted that if the economy was doing poorly, he would have to reconsider whether to raise those taxes. He essentially admitted that they will stunt economic growth. That's really not something we can afford now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-W4GWjN2kg

That's the first debate from 1992. Listen at 4:20.

"I represent real hope for change." ... "We must have the courage to change for hope in a better tomorrow."

Bush 41 replies that Clinton said the country was "coming apart at the seams". This was 1992! The cold war was over. We'd kicked Saddam Hussein's butt in the first Gulf War. The economy was in a relatively mild recession, but to hear Clinton talk it was cataclysmic.

Clinton and Obama are both AGITATORS. They prey on people's fears and uncertainties. They point fingers and blame their opponents for all your woes.

At the end of the day, I believe that America simply doesn't agree with most policies espoused by Democrats. They don't believe in socialism. They don't believe in redistribution of wealth. They don't believe in government control of their lives, or a cradle to grave nanny state. They don't believe in institutionalized racism through affirmative action. They don't believe in subjugating the individual to the government, or that paying taxes is a patriotic act.

And so, their only successful strategy is to identify the most convenient problem they can, agitate the voters into a state of hysteria over it, blame Republicans for it, and campaign on "changing hope for courageous change" or some such bunk.

The last time there was an open campaign for the hearts and minds of the voters was 2000. And even though Democrats had everything in their favor at the time, Bush won the election, because the voters simply prefer Republican positions on the issues most important to them.

Obama is a slick salesman, and more capable than most at selling his rhetoric, but it's just the same old dressed up socialism that voters have rejected for 30 years. He's likely to win now, but if he tries the same kind of stuff Clinton pulled in his first 2 years, he'll get the same result. Socialist Democrats voted out of Congress in droves in the midterm elections.

Courageous hope for change works great on the campaign trail, but not very well once you attempt to govern.

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Nice site, Bob. :)