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Thanks -wasn't exactly sure what the G-spot even was (looked it up quickly).Quote:
Originally Posted by mika
Meatyfrog, looking up conspiracy theories is a great pastime. Very fun thing to do in school, but I've already considered it - highly unlikely and highly dangerous.
Now RISK, calm down. This is a civil argument, not somewhere to prove that your a raging homosexual.
I believe you are naturally born straight. Okay say you were living in the jungle all by yourself. You have no clothes, you are naked. Say after years of living you find 2 people one male and one female. Who would be more appealing to you, the female or the male? Keep in thought you are all by yourself with zero knowledge of the outside world. You have zero knowledge of the gay ideology.Quote:
Originally Posted by Camo Developer
Just because you don't know how to hit it doesn't make it a conspiracy theory good game though.Quote:
Originally Posted by dixienormous
Side note: Increase your sexual repertoire
http://i.imgur.com/YAWza.jpg
I'm bi-sexual, friend and this has just proven that you have nowhere else to go with this argument. You are trying everything you can, even low blows.
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Originally Posted by dixienormous
Bisexual lol - you really are greedy huh? You just can't pick one of the two. I know you'd like to get down and do some low blows wouldn't you "friend" - but I'm straight.
Some raging flambouyant homosexuals in this thread lol. Face it, you're the minority, I'm the majority. Being gay is not natural, it goes against nature, and hopefully you'll all just blow away.
Well now I know why taking a good crap feels so good sometimes. :sasmokin:Quote:
Originally Posted by RISK
@Dixie: You seem to be picking up fights all over the board so I'll leave you alone. You win. I now hate homosexuals. In fact, I might become a serial killer. Thanks for making me realise the path to the light.
This is so wrong. And being a serial killer is even worse - be ashamed - your a raving, flamboyant homosexual serial killer.
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Originally Posted by dixienormous
Already accepted NP.
OT: done with this thread unless someone has some relevant information I can shoot down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Meatyfrog
Calm down and stop slandering people.
Like you're one to be talking, really.Quote:
Originally Posted by dixienormous
My post was to try and get dixie to think, but it failed. As for your situation, I can't honestly answer that since I have knowledge that gays exist. My answer will be biased.Quote:
Originally Posted by kingarabian
Wow, did you really just attack RISK for no reason? You need to stop with this hostility. Who's the "raging flambouyant homosexuals" in this thread? Please, point them out. All I see is raging "Bible thumpers".Quote:
Originally Posted by dixienormous
Wow, name calling, forgot we were in the second grade.Quote:
Originally Posted by dixienormous
Nice one, you quit without saying it. You're backing down from a discussion because you can't come up with any more attacks. Thank you, now this can return to normal. Oh, and by the way, you didn't shoot down anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by dixinormous
Camo...you really are a violent person aren't you? I see now that this is a gay support thread, not a discussion, so my posts are useless since I'm hitting curved walls. Some people have to back down (the ones with reason usually), and I am being reasonable and backing down. Now, be calm child. Do not let hypocrisy prevail.
Now I know you are trolling.Quote:
Originally Posted by dixienormous
I'm not trolling. Do not come up with conclusions that you have no reliable basis for. Let the topic keep on going - this is off topic now.
What happend? What we have said so far according to you has not been relevant. You've even stated what I said was "off topic" conclusion you are a liar.Quote:
Originally Posted by dixienormous
And yes proof that you are a troll is simply from the definition of a troll.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)
I'm the violent one? How was I violent? You're the one attacking everyone, not once have I attacked you, or anyone because of their opinions or beliefs.Quote:
Originally Posted by dixienormous
This is a discussion, and by that, people who partake in one have open minds. I can see that you're close minded, and that's fine, but don't start attacking because we have different views than yourself.
You're not being reasonable, you twisted the thought in your mind to make yourself feel like you are. You're not the only one with reason, your "reason" is flawed. Get off your high (actually very short) horse.
You're telling me to calm down? Ha, now that's funny. I've been calm the entire time, can you say the same?
yet you keep on posting in the threadQuote:
Originally Posted by dixienormous
I've had enough.
I'm not fond of these types of threads. Threads about gay marriage, religion, or politics are always asking for a fight. But you all insist on having them and they always result the same as it did here.
Please save us all the trouble and stop bothering with these topics.
Closed.
Administrator's Warning: Conditional Unlock.
After discussion with yakman and after letting you all cool down for a week this thread will now be unlocked, conditionally. But be aware that this thread and all its posters are on super thin ice. The first sign of it getting out of control again and any more personal attacks and flaming such as:
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your a raving, flamboyant homosexual serial killer.
It will also put the future of any of this type of thread (Political/Religious) threads into questions. As in the staff will discuss banning them from the forums altogether.
Debate the position not the person.
You have been warned. Keep it calm.
The amount of bigotry in this thread is really surprising, your sexuality is not a choice, I know plenty of Christians who believe that and there really is no going against it, I have countless gay friends who will say the same exact thing. This is as much a civil rights issue as anything else and the fact that people are still using the bible/other religious texts as a basis for not letting gays function as normal people is blatantly contradictory to the United State's foundation (once again, separation of church and state). Women's rights were fought against on religious grounds and I'm sure that people see the error in that now, it's not like homosexuality is a new thing either
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosex...ancient_Greece
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacred_Band_of_Thebes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_LGBT_history
I guess the main issue seems to be the sexuality as a choice thing, but I feel it's as much of a choice as your gender (whole 'nother debate). Why would anyone voluntarily put themselves through the crap that homosexuals have to go through today? It doesn't make any sense. I really can't see any justification to knowingly oppress a large group of people who are just as human as any other human.
Homosexuality is a choice.Quote:
Originally Posted by CameronXVX
There is absolutely no evidence that it's not a choice. There are people saying because of this, blablah blah. But there is no evidence that can come close to proving that it is not a choice.
There is plenty evidence that says it is a choice. For instance, straights turning gay or gays turning straight. Twins having differing sexual orientations later on in life.
The other day i was watching TV and this stupid show came on, in this show these kids were saying they were born the wrong gender and that they feel like they're the opposite sex except for physically. The one kid was like, "I look in the mirror and i don't even recognize myself, I should have been born a girl." Not only is this nonsense it's sad that our country gives them the time of day.
A marriage is between man and woman. Why should that be changed? Gays have no less rights. They just cant get married. lmfao...
Well why don't we bitch and complain that 10 year olds cant drive. They can't because driving is for 16+(depending on state).
There is no evidence that being gay is a choice either. You can argue that both sides.
What? We should just ignore them like they're trash? You can't help being born feeling a certain way. I don't care how young the person is, you're born that way. How is it nonsense?Quote:
The other day i was watching TV and this stupid show came on, in this show these kids were saying they were born the wrong gender and that they feel like they're the opposite sex except for physically. The one kid was like, "I look in the mirror and i don't even recognize myself, I should have been born a girl." Not only is this nonsense it's sad that our country gives them the time of day.
You're comparing apples and oranges. Gays not being able to marry is nothing compared to 10 year olds driving. One is about spending time with a person you love, the other is a safety concern. Do you really want 10 year olds driving? They're so immature at that age, that is why they can't drive.
I don't want gays fucking either. But we can't ban that now can we?Quote:
Originally Posted by Camo Developer
I posted this earlier in the thread:
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"Incidence is the number of new HIV infections that occur during a given year. CDC estimates that approximately 50,000 people are newly infected with HIV each year in the United States. In 2009 (the most recent year that data are available), there were an estimated 48,100 new HIV infections.[1] Most (61%) of these new infections occurred in gay and bisexual men."
-- http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/surveillance/basic.htm
Why does it bother you so much? It's not like you're going to see them doing it. Yeah, you may have to get use to them kissing and holding hands, big flippin deal. Does them getting married personally affect you? No, it does not.
As far as them having sex, it would only affect you if you were to actually watch them do it. Which I highly doubt you will, honestly, just get over it. It's not like as soon as they can marry, they'll just start having sex in public all over the place. That's why they have a house/apt/living area, so they can do it in private, just like you do with another person of your preference.
As far as your stats, yeah, that's accurate. However, it only affects the gay men who are having sex with people who have HIV. Unless you're going to swap needles, drink their blood, have sex with them, you'll be just fine.
bisexuals have sex with females. I have sex with females. They fuck with my odds of getting something nasty.Quote:
Originally Posted by Camo Developer
"as far as them having sex, it would only affect you if you were to actually watch them do it." Idc that gays fuck, it doesn't gross me out to think about it, the stats is why i would love to see being gay banned. That's it.
I'm no homophobe, i have zero problem with gays, i just have no IDEA why they should be allowed to get married.
Marriage: the social institution under which a man and woman establish their decision to live as husband and wife by legal commitments, religious ceremonies, etc.
and until gays pushed for it that was the only definition. Gay's can get every single fricken right that heterosexual marriage's have except for tax things.
So why do they even care if they're "married", they should be content with knowing they love each other.
Why don't they get a civil union, call it that. I don't want gays destroying the image of marriage more than divorce already has.
Why is a marriage between a man and a woman? What is the basis behind that? I mean as often as we tout our ability to make our own choices (in the united states) this is blatantly infringing on gays rights to do the same. As someone who isn't gay or transgender, I hardly consider myself qualified to say what's going on in those who are's heads but this is something that has been happening since the beginning of humanity (see links I posted) is it just some huge coincidence? I don't really see how you can possibly say that, the same for people who are transgender. Are you really going to tell the OP to his face that he is a liar for saying it wasn't his choice to be gay?Quote:
Originally Posted by footballjds
actual evidence see: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology...al_orientation
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/...-biology/4683/
and numerous other studies, statistics, etc)
Not only that, but marriage is the ultimate tier of a relationship, assuming we acknowledge that homosexual relationships do exist why are we not affording them the same rights that we would for ourselves? They are no less human, this is kind of a no brainer. The only reason (and original basis) for keeping marriage "between a man and a woman" is biblical, and has no place in US law.
Is that really your concern? Wow, that's so low, to be honest with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by footballjds
You honestly have no idea why gays want to be able to marry? Really? You do know what marriage signifies right? It's a commitment, saying that I love the person I'm marrying with all of my heart and want to spend the rest of my life with them. Why shouldn't gays be allowed to share that feeling? They should be allowed to publicly show their love of each other by getting married, it's just fair.
Marriage is only what the state calls it, it's not defined in nature. Marriage can be whatever you make it, it's not written in stone.
I agree with this. I think that gays should be able to have the same rights and tax deductions as everybody else, but please, don't call it marriage. Especially if you're an avid atheist, that almost seems hypocritical to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by footballjds
Society and its standards seem to have changed a lot.
OK, I figure its about time I actually posted my stance on this rather than just posting links to tick off the homophobes out there.
Firstly, I am straight. Some of my best friends are gay, and you know what, they are guys, too. Do I feel uncomfortable around them, no. Do they feel uncomfortable around me, no. Why? Its much like a straight man hanging out with a straight woman, just because one is interested in the other and the other is not, does that mean that things are not able to work? No. As it was explained to me by one of my friends, "I'm not turned on by every single guy I meet, just like you are not turned on by every woman you meet. Just because you have girl friends doesn't mean you're going to jump all over them." This is the best analogy I have gotten in many years.
For example, when I hang out with my girl friends, I'm not spending the time thinking: "I wonder how they would be in bed," as I hope most of you behave. Granted, the thought obviously crosses my mind, but that's just human sexual nature. Now, do you think this is right? Is there anything wrong with this? Nope. Nadda. This is, in general, how every opposite-sexed relationship typically functions at the friendship level. Now, lets flip the male for a female and have two females where one is gay and one is straight. We have arbitrarily changed the sexes, but does that change the situation? No. Its identical. Why should it be any different, both are humans, no?
Moving on, when we get into the debates about whether gay people should allowed marriage there are several points to consider. But, instead lets just say: "should people be allowed to marry?" As a reference, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights states the following:
(Source)
- Men and women of full age, without any limitation due to race, nationality or religion, have the right to marry and to found a family. They are entitled to equal rights as to marriage, during marriage and at its dissolution.
- Marriage shall be entered into only with the free and full consent of the intending spouses.
- The family is the natural and fundamental group unit of society and is entitled to protection by society and the State.
The UDHR is a document that must be upheld by all members of the United Nations (UN). Moving forward, we see that all of North America, and most of Europe are a part of the UN (Source). That being said, one of the conditions of being a part of the UN is to up hold the UDHR. Again, we see that there is a sense of hypocrisy. On the note of the UN, Hillary Clinton has made a beautiful speech on this topic at the UN general meeting (Source). Hillary's most prevalent point is attempting to eliminate the distinguishing of "gay rights" and "human rights." They are the same thing, as we are all human, no?
One may dispute the concept of a family, stating: "But a family consists of a mother and father, etc." who is to say that the definition of a family is not: "A group of individuals consisting, but not limited to, a set of parents/guardians, and kin." This second, more general outline, includes everyone. We have seen in the past that gay partnerships can raise a family and children. If you are not familiar with Zach Wahls' defence in the state of Iowa, I highly suggest reading this (and watching the associated video). Zach is an excellent example of why the current prejudice is a falsehood. Another notion is that Zach, is straight! Some have stated along the lines of: "one gay makes more gays, its an epidemic." Are you serious? Yes, there is a sense of conditioning, but it does not create gay people. It merely makes people more comfortable in the realisation of their own sexuality.
Sexuality by nature. I am not an expert by any means, but I know this: sexuality is not a choice, but a subconscious process we have no control over. Conditioning is a large player here, but not in the sense many of you claim. Conditioning occurs to opening the eyes of people who need it. Conditioning occurs to help people transition into a lifestyle that really makes them happy. Imagine, living your life with someone who you really do not love, but are too scared to be with someone you really can.
OK, this is not really the end.. I will add more as I get more time later. Back to studying.
I think the word marriage has transformed from "The union of two people by god" to "just two people that want to live together (long-term)" You're right, in today's world, there is no reason why you shouldn't be able to have the same rights as heterosexual couples have. I don't think anyone has the right to be able to tell you how your relationships work. I understand people that are slightly uncomfortable with gay people, but most of these people keep it to themselves and only reveal this in well-known company. As for the severe homophobes, all of them have struck me as less than desirable human beings. I'm not gay, but I love gay people; some of the greatest people I've ever met, their rights shouldn't be limited by ignorance.
My views:
1. It is unnatural; men go with women, not with other men.
2. I find it hard to believe that you complain about simple things like medical information being released to your parents instead of your boyfriend. Gays have more rights then almost any other group in the U.S. Manufacturers are scared to fire you people because they'll get a lawsuit delivered within days - for discrimination, etc. You get in easier to higher level schools because the government rewards colleges who support minorities. There are dozens of benefits you get over me.
3. You would offend so many people if gays could get legally married (nationwide). The definition and tradition of marriage would be completely altered.
Summed up, I'm extremely glad that you can't get married, and I think you have way more rights then I have - as the white, straight, majority.
On the lookout for raging mods give me warnings for no reason and with no explanation.
I've been watching this thread, and this'll be the only thing I'll post here. Heterosexual and Homosexual people do not have the same human rights. That's something you must understand. You are allowed to marry, but they aren't? They are also human! The "rights" you mentioned are only there because there are unbalanced rights between Homosexual/Heterosexual. I have no problems with gay people; they don't hurt me in any way.Quote:
Originally Posted by dixienormous
Affirmative action and gay marriage are two different subjects. And keep in mind that as humans we are autonomous, with that being said, if gays could marry and you are offended by it, the wrong falls on you not on the homosexual. And if you want to say it's not natural, it's not natural for you to live past 35. Medical attention is not natural, it is not natural to watch television, traveling hundreds of miles sitting down comfortably in a heated/air-conditioned vehicle, is also not natural. If you want to argue by nature, you should require it of yourself to stop doing these unnatural things. You're argument is full of flaws.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9HRLvfbauAQuote:
Originally Posted by dixienormous
You also have to keep in mind that the rights gays are asking for ie. the same tax status, the power of attorney, the next of kin, is not covered under religious marriage. They have just gone together for so long you assume that those are covered by marriage. They are in no way undermining the tradition of marriage by these means, especially according to criteria under which this thread seems to have been inspired by.
I mean, I'm not trying to be a dick here but this is flat out wrong, first, your sexual orientation isn't something asked for on college applications, secondly, gay people can be fired just as easily, the 'reverse discrimination' shtick is a joke and will always be one. Straight, white, males are privileged above all other groups and you have to be blind to see otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by dixienormous
Offending people is hardly an issue, people were 'offended' that blacks were able to use the same public facilities, eat at the same restaurants, etc post civil rights movement. If you're going to let a group of people suffer because you're worried about their comfort zone that's just a cop out.
How do you determine natural? The fact that homosexuality has been around as long as humans have sure seems natural to me (see links posted on previous pages, there were even times when homosexual relationships were encouraged).
Finally, marriage is a joke and has been for quite some time now.
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Among adults whose parents had two or more failed marriages, 67% divorced, 26% two or more times.
Among adults whose parents divorced and remarried only once, 58% divorced, 19% at least twice.
Among adults raised in intact homes, 41% divorced, 9% two or more times.
There's actually lots of animals that have "gay" relationships. Nothing in the bible says "thou shalt not suck another mans ding dong". Ending slavery went "against the human race", so did womens rights, ending of child labor and a shit load of other things that are classified as good now.Quote:
Originally Posted by dixienormous
In other words if you're against gay relationships, you're culturally retarded because weather you like it or not it will happen.
I'm not gay in any way, I just don't really care who another person says that they love. I don't get it, it's kinda gross to me but it's their dissission so just let them be.
I read a statistic somewhere it was like 70% of all marriages end up in divorce. If you ask me, the only thing that's ruining the marriage system is the idiots you can't stay with one person for longer then 1 year...
Im not against it, but I don't have the strongest stance on being for it. To me, as long as a gay male does not "hit on me" they can do whatever they want. Yes, I do have gay friends, both male and female. Some of them are really good friends too. And I hope to stay good friends with them. They're people too.