So, what do you know about Him then?Quote:
Originally Posted by PlAnT
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So, what do you know about Him then?Quote:
Originally Posted by PlAnT
No purpose, nothing keeps me going apart from myself, and I dont really care if no one remembers me in 300 yearsQuote:
Originally Posted by gerauchert
Here's a treat mainly for the people who claim they can 'feel' god's presence, although I think everyone should see it :) (two parts, just barely over the 11 minute limit)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKnO6MQCw9Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dzn9rX7rauA
Keep in mind he's a definite Atheist.
Widget, I already kind of addressed that in my previous posts. There is a physiological response associated with "spiritual experience" that can be reproduced through non-religious means. Apparently this guy has figured out a way to tap into that (unless he's lying and it's all a setup, which is the case for many people like this).
But just because it can be reproduced doesn't mean that when someone has a spiritual experience through praying or reading the scriptures that it's meaningless. In fact, it begs the question of why we have such a physiological response in the first place. Someone with faith would probably say God made us that way so that he could touch us and help us to understand His will. Someone without faith might say it's a way to encourage selflessness, unity, and camaraderie among groups. Either way, people who ignore or reject it are missing out on something beneficial.
By the way, there's nothing mutually exclusive about faith and science. Most scientists believe in God or a higher power that controls the universe.
source pleaseQuote:
Originally Posted by tarajunky
Proof god exists:
God as a concept is the biggest thing there.(has the most properties)
A god which exists is bigger then a god that doesn't exist(The existing one has the most properties)
God must exist.
Though to proof it's YOUR god is kinda harder :P But yeah, there has to be something which 'contains' everyone else. Or you could agree with Kant that existance is not a property.... otherwise it's logically completely correct...
http://www.livescience.com/strangene...tists_god.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by Yakman
"About two-thirds of scientists believe in God, according to a new survey that uncovered stark differences based on the type of research they do.
The study, along with another one released in June, would appear to debunk the oft-held notion that science is incompatible with religion."
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"In the new study, Rice University sociologist Elaine Howard Ecklund surveyed 1,646 faculty members at elite research universities, asking 36 questions about belief and spiritual practices."
Easy, like I said before, the need to fit in.Quote:
Originally Posted by tarajunky
Wow, this is gonna be a long one...
N3ss posted a thing a while ago that I think HAS to be adressed. In the Bible they DO provide an explanation for the animals. The story of the creation is split into a "week" some people take this literally, others believe this is symbolism (and often could "provide space" for evolution). The First day God was like "huh, im kinda lonely, I have these angels with me in heaven but they kinda do what i tell them and i cant really have an intelligent arguement with them" (I dont know im just trying to be amusing) so he created the darkness and light on the first day. Second day, he creates water, and seperates the two "waters" (Sea and sky). Third day, He creates the land. Fourth day he creates "lights" in "heaven" (aka stars in the sky). Day five, He creates Sea and Sky animals. Day six, land animals, and Humans.
There is also and explination as to why there are "bad" people and not everything is "perfect" we dont have "peace" ect. (all this is in genesis btw)
God was having fun with adam and eve, He told them they can eat anything in the garden of eden except for the dang'ol tree in the middle. Lucifer (Satan, the Devil, Be'elzibub, you get my point) who along with some other "fallen angels" revolted (in a way) with God and wanted to be more powerful than him, ect. So God banished them and made them their own little home, no matter how hell-ish (W00T PUN!). So Satan is like "God is having too much fun, im gonna ruin his fun" so then he became a "snake" and said to eve, "looky here at this tree, look the fruit isnt poisonous or anything, and it tastes quite good" and eve says "well God doesnt want me to eat it" and Satan says "well the real reason he doesnt want you to eat it is cuz it will make you uber smartz, and you will see right from wrong and stuffs and be as great as God." So Eve was like "Dang this sounds pretty good, gimme that magical fruit!" So she ate it and was like "dang this is good" and her eyes "opened" and Adam comes around the corner and is like "why you eatin' dat fruit babe?" and eve says "its really good try it /repeat what Satan said".
Personally I think the "where did God come from?" arguement can really be argued because with the "matter outta nowhere" its the same flaw. There is one difference, God can do whatever he wants, matter cannot. At the same time that is only true if you believe in God.
The purpose of my life is to glorify God and live my life in a Godly way so people may want to emulate me, and thereby be led to God. (Just in case ya'll were wonderin)
Also there arent any new "Versions" the different "versions" are only different translations.
Whatever other questions yall have, go ahead.
So basically you are saying that God doesn't want us to have what is good in life?Quote:
Originally Posted by sirlaughsalot
I think Darwinism is one of the most accurate theories, personally.
Of course it has some flaws, but I don't think some magical being could all of a sudden pop and create a universe.
Key words there are you [H]don't think[/H]. That is the problem with this thread. No one actually knows for sure. If there was logical proof then everybody would already know and we would all follow the religion that had logical proof that it was correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by TViYH
nah, cause there'd be plenty of people who'd say things like "its called faith for a REASON!"Quote:
Originally Posted by Aser
I watched this documentary the other debunking darwins theory. Darwin wrote himself that "should this and this and this occur, then my theory is wrong".Quote:
Originally Posted by TViYH
It was the tail in the flaggelem. I dont want to get into detail look it up if you must. But both sides had valid arguments.
Probability should NOT come into facts of god or anything like that. If i had a pack of cards. And 4 players sitting with me. And i shuffled those cards. Handed them out. And then we wrote down the order they came out as and to which player. Then gathered in the cards again and tried again, we would not get the same result.
Infact you could play cards for the rest of your life and never have the same hand dealt to all the players. It is almost impossible. And yet those cards were dealt in the first place.
Ive watched the movie religulous and can say all he does is troll through religions. He has one fact, and he clings to that fact and then it cuts to the next religion. It isnt questions at all, he knows one thing that cant be proven and then just holds to that fact.
Ive also seen zeitegist and that is complete BS. He lies straight to your face. There is a part where he says that in a similar story to noahs ark. There was even the same dove as in noahs ark. Which is COMPELTELY not true. There is absolutely zero mention of a dove.
What? Did you bother reading anything he said? Satan said those things so that he could convince Eve to eat from the tree. I doubt God would give humans the opportunity to be like him, else there'd be no 'God'...Quote:
Originally Posted by Aser
I did read what he said/wrote. God didn't want Adam or Eve to eat the fruit. He said that was because he was playing a game/having fun with them. When Eve ate the fruit she said it was good. So God was keeping them away from something that they enjoyed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Santa_Clause
Also if God is so good, how did Satan convince Eve so easily? She supposedly had come in direct contact with God. Shouldn't she have noticed his almighty power and served him. She obviously didn't think that highly of him if she just ate a fruit because she was told it was good.
All things have to have a consequence. If God didn't disallow Adam and Eve from eating from the tree, then they would, pretty much, have no rules to abide by. God isn't some human with random mood swings that decides to play games with people's minds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aser
It says nowhere that the fruit tasted good. But then again, it isn't really hard to avoid eating from a tree that has bad-tasting fruit. It's called temptation because Adam and Eve had to refrain from eating something that would benefit them, whether because of taste or power.Quote:
Originally Posted by Genesis 3:6
As for your second point about God being good...are you blaming God because a human decided to eat from the tree?
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Originally Posted by Aser
Satan convinced her because she was naive, she did not know of the devil (not that i know of) and maybe she did not eat the fruit as a sign of selfishness, (she did share it with Adam) but she simply wanted to emulate her creator...
God and Satan both exist. I have no doubt about that, its personal thing that is pretty hard to explain.
If you had grown up in classical Greece, you'd be saying the same thing about Zeus and Apollo. If you had grown up in India, you'd be saying the same thing about Hinduism. If you had grown up in Tom Cruise's house, you'd be saying the same thing about Xenu.Quote:
Originally Posted by koo29
I know that my mom and dad love each other.
Can I prove it to you? Nope. But that doesn't make it any less real.
You are somewhat right here. But we live in a time where it is acceptable to not believe in a higher being, so you cannot relate that to his experiences. In ancient greece you were most likely shunned or killed for not "respecting the gods".Quote:
Originally Posted by bullzeye95
Over millions of years, I can see how evolution would have happened.
However, I don't see how a magical God could all of a sudden pop up out of nowhere and create all of this.
He is not magical. He didnt just pop out from somewhere, he has been here forever and just ry to accept it.
I wouldn't say it's "acceptable" in some places. For the most part, I agree with that though. But what I was trying to say is, whatever you are taught as a young child tends to get permanently and irremovably stuck in your brain.Quote:
Originally Posted by gerauchert
EDIT: Koo, tell me why I should accept it or I will not try. I'm not looking for a "you'll go to hell if you don't" type of answer; I'm looking for facts that make me believe that there is a god, and that that god is the Judeo-Christian god.
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Originally Posted by tarajunky
That implies there is a 50% chance they love each other, that the correct answer is halfway between the two extreams.
This is not the case, evidence can be shown that your parents are in love, since they are (probably) married, live together, sleep in the same bed and have children.
I would estimate the probability of your parents loving each other is quite high, like 95% or so.
you cant do the same thing for the tooth fairy, there isnt very much evidence for her existance. I would estimate the probably of her existing is around 0.1%
and you cant do the same thing for God, there isnt very much evidence for his existance. I would estimate the probably of him existing is around 0.1%
I don't know, I'm skeptical now. After all, there isn't any scientific method for proving love, one way or the other. Sure, you may think that "love" involves marriage, cohabitation, sexual relations, and possibly children, but there are hundreds of cultures in this world that might have different criteria than the ones you just listed. So which love is the true love? Since we can't define the one correct love, it must not exist at all...Quote:
Originally Posted by Yakman
See, that's the same sort of reasoning that has been used to prove that God doesn't exist here in this thread. And yet, I know that love exists, and I have experienced it in my life. I can't prove it to you, but that doesn't change the fact that love is real.
Evolution makes as much sense as God being here.
There was nothing and nothing happened to nothing and then nothing magically exploded for no reason, creating everything and then a bunch of everything magically rearranged itself for no reason what so ever into self-replicating bits which then turned into dinosaurs.
wat?
NO ONE WAS THERE AND THERE IS NO PROOF EITHER REALLY HAPPENED :rolleyes: why do we still argue, people believe and put their trust in what they think is right, get over it and respect other peoples opinions/belief's.
josh, we're in Discussion & Debates. Use your head.
Hmmm. Say you had an INFINITE time to grow, with nothing that can affect your growth except you, yourself. Don't you think that at some point you would grow? Then, you would also have a point when you would shrink.
So, having an infinite amount of time, anything could happen. Nothing "magically" rearranged. If you knew what evolution was, you'd know that. It all started out with single-celled organisms. They evolved into multi-celled organisms. These grew into animals with fins. Then to limbs. Etc. Etc.
Think about it. IT HAD AN INFINITE AMOUNT OF TIME.
The thing is, before the big bang there wasn't nothing. String theory can do all these random super-complicated things that I don't know much about, and we can actually calculate what happened before the Big Bang now. It may turn out that both science and Christianity say there was no beginning. Of course the way science works, there may not have been time in the beginning or outside of our universe or something like that.
Edit: Tarajunky, love can be tested at least partially by trial :)
i understand that since time started at at the big bang, querying what happened before is like asking what is more south of the south pole.
although, i have heard of time being calculated using imaginary numbers (with i = √-1) when you do that the singularities disappear.
so i dont know, maybe calculating the time before the big bang does make sense...
so post the source please because im really intrested.Quote:
Originally Posted by Widget
im confused!
I dont understand how you can "calculate" what happened before the big bang, if you arent sure the big bang happened in the first place...
Ok, people, I am about to calculate the color red!
16777215 - (65280 + 16711680) = 255
I calculated red before you!
daaaang, sry mate but he got'cha beat. the color red folks, the color red.
Oh and this is post 69, just thought that was an interesting fact.
Article on before the Big Bang. Try a search on Loop Quantum Gravity if you want to know about how they calculated it. Also, apparently the new theory is the Big Bounce instead of the Big Bang.
Loop Quantum Gravity is the combination of Einstein's theory of General Relativity and Quantum Physics/Mathematics.
Its like.... I so want to post... And yet i know i will get trolled by 16 year olds.
We should start a new thread just for tara and yakman. They seem to be the only ones who actually know something about anything :P
O and for the record. I believe in god. I dont really care what documentary's are out there.
Ive watched religulous; Pointless trolling, sticks to one point and refuses to actually ask questions, just makes statments and says they are questions. Never once took a middle stance, had in his mind what he knew was right. It would be like picking ONE spelling mistake from a post, and forever telling you non stop that you must be dumb because you have one spelling mistake. No matter how hard you try to show me math problems you can solve, and that you came first in USA spelling bee, i still say you are the worst speller ever.
And ive also watched zeitgeist and it is so fucking obviously made to troll shit. Its like saying i was born on 13th of feb. OMFG a roman emperor was born on that day so i must be reborn of him or some other shit. Basically if you havnt seen it, it goes like this. Jesus was born on 25th of Dec (Or when we celebrate it) OMFG so was these other 20 guys. O SHIT MUST BE CONSPIRACY!
cause of the power of maths :pQuote:
Originally Posted by sirlaughsalot
if a throw a ball with an inital velocity of 5 m/s and at an angle of 30 degrees to the horizontal, i can calculate where that ball will land etc
i can do all this, even though iv never thrown that ball
But how do we calculate what masses will be created, what life will be formed, how things will interact just with math?!?!