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iScar results show that it is 10 times faster than SCAR.
Yes, you have read this right. iScar is part of the iBot project. Please visit the site at: http://impsoft.net. It is so far in a development stage but soon it could probably replace SCAR. It'd be wicked to see SRL working on that. So far only simple things work. This is very exciting. See http://rafb.net/paste/results/kwm5zJ74.html for the results.
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Originally Posted by solarwind
Yeah, it runs on Java, what can you expect lol. It is compiled into bytecode so it is really fast. But none the less, iBot scripts are the fastest since they are written in Java and not Pascal.
Wow... SCAR will never die, i will stay loyal! Anyways only problem with Iscar, its written in java, so hard to learn. Pascal took me two days to learn. Java i looked at a script and nearly fainted, pascal is so easy to understand.
OMG dude, iScar is not Java. It is meant for you to create and run SCAR scripts on iBot for better efficiency.Quote:
Originally Posted by hey321
I also have a feeling that if iScar is perfected (which is actually easier to do that it seems), then SCAR will die, but SRL will still be alive, infact SRL will be more alive than ever.
I refuse to use iScar/iBot.Quote:
Originally Posted by solarwind
Maybe SCAR will die, but I highly doubt it. :wink:
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Originally Posted by Bebemycat2
You refuse to use iScar/iBot? Why?
For me, it depends. I mean, i would love to be able to use SCAR scripst with iBot, but i would still stick with scar most of the time. It is easier for me, and compiles a lot faster
Are you on crack? Java compiles faster hands down. But anyway... that's not the point... in runtime, it's faster. I'm not saying SCAR is bad, but there is something better on its way...
Er maybe....
and i meant like loading up SCAR is a lot faster than loading up iBot. And yea, im not saying iSCAR will be bad either. I would probably stick with scar more
Cool lol. Also, when do you guys think that the next version of SCAR will come out? Just an estimate...
i think impsoft are making their programs too complicated, SCAR stays alive because its easy to learn, java is powerful, but very hard to learn, does anyone remeber aryan, all those leechers who found java way to hard to learn
autorune was a lot more powerful than aryan or ibot, but it used pascal and kaitnieks community flourished because everyone could learn it
a cheating program needs to more than powerful, it has to be easy to learn as well
Yes and the more people that learn it the more it advances.
I'm not against iSCAR, personally I think it will be good for the short lifetime I foresee and I believe the scripts will be almost the same to write.
As you all know, SRL is AntiRandoms and a lot of superfluous procs and routines. Every environment not capable of proper antirandoms handling will not survive. ATM, SRL is the only public source for this. As soon as iSCAR (read: iBot) solves stuff like box, certer, sandwich, old man, turpentine, security guard, frog etc... it will become a good alternative.
Any cheating environment relies heavily on its contributors. I presume iSCAR devs fully concentrate on solving the antirandoms as opposed to writing yet another powerminer.
Solarwind, why do you think ruler made iScar in the first place.....yup the first thing that comes to your mind.. and keep fakawi's post in mind.
Oh and IMO Scar is fast enough.. what is 1 ms compared to 10ms... nothing noticeable.
I visited iBot forums - if flamewars should be held anywhere it would be there - everybody is greedy at this place and no one really cares for each other..
I don't think iScar or iBot will attract any really good scripters because of it's unfriendly enviroment.. Also what's with this pay2use thing - just because it's faster?
Why would you want faster programs when you have programs slower that actually work???
Notice as i say: works...
iBot needs a hell lot of developement before i would even consider wasting 1k on it..
Also if the program is as good as it should be then people will come, don't advertise when you can't even bank with it... that's not a good way to sell your product..
Yea, when SCAR was released (I wasn't around at this time but I am assuming this is the case) or at least a little after, a working script was able to be used. I won't even think about considering ibot/iscar until it gets to that point, and I don't think we should waste time talking about it until that point, IMHO.
As for developers their is only one, me. SRL has many developers not to mention code going back years and years.
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SUMMARY
IBot is faster than scar
IBot works on linux, mac, windows
IBot has multiple threads
IBot doesn't use the operating systems mouse or keyboard.
IBot recycles grabs.
IBot can run with applets minized (pro)
iScar is simple a extension of a IBOT script where instead a pascal intrepertor is loaded and pascal functions are attached to ibot functions. Therefore randoms and scripts can be written in pascal therfore multiple scripts/randoms per bot at same time.
Even if scar became multi thread, started recycling, rewrote the entire core. It would not run on other os's, be able to run minized, not use os's mouse/keyboard. Also i dont think scar has objects so things that are simple to do in ibot like getMenu and Menu.select("Drop"); are not possible.
Compiled Functions
IBot's core compiled functions beat scar's hands down. IBot color functions are at least x2 faster then scar. Often they go upwards of x30 times faster at the highest level.
Reasons include:
[x] I know how to write efficent methods
[x] functions optimzed for specific things
[x] java runtime optimizations
Interpreter speed
SRL is alot of interpreted code. iScar's intrepretor is about x10 faster.
me greedy?
I haven't even started to sell professional yet. Also professional doesn't require rs to be on top. Cheating is not a right, especially for-profit. Also i don't know if you aware but some SRL DEVELOPERS do sell their work!
Also the grab times differ alot! scar has to re-grab for every funtion.
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Originally Posted by http://www.jaghax.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3382&postdays=0&postorder=asc&star t=0
i am sorry, i didn't make it so that ppl could use it/leech it, its more for those that want to learn how to program.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boreas
It is very noticable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wizzup?
It limits you to one client.
Its slower on all parts, the grab, the function, the intreptor.
If you want to compare scar speeds write a benchmark script.
http://www.rscheata.net/tp/index.php/topic,1293.0.html
http://www.rscheata.net/tp/index.php/topic,1323.0.html
http://www.rscheata.net/tp/index.php/topic,1284.0.html
Hey don't get defensive. I am not against you, just against threads like these being too early. I was talking about scripting for it, not using/leeching. SCAR helped to further my programming skills because it works. Writing pointless hello world crap in school made me hate programming at first, but with SCAR scripting I have a purpose. Until you get further with ibot, theres no point in scripting for it or learning java.
But now that you say you made it so that people can learn to program, I think you're full of crap. Having multiple windows, a pro version, things like these make sound like its more for gain, not a learning tool.
See i come from the world of cheating where their is for-profit cheating. I also come from a world of cheating where ppl programmed to learn. I do both.
Evey community i have been a part of has both aspects but to differ ratios.
Multiple windows has been out and public for months?.
The only thing that is not public is professional version. The only advantage of it is a faster refresh time and the applets DO NOT have to be on the screen. The reason that this is not free is i dont want anouther aryan situation. I learned alot from aryan i wrote many scripts and learned of how much was being made. Then i joined he sbot3 community which was strictly for-profit their i sold flax scripts and could see by gathering stats how much was moving around. sbot3 generated at least 1,500million gp thru flax. Using multiple accts and credit card fraud.
The nightmare situation is a aryan like bot that lives forever.
Also i would like to point out how difficult it is so solve the problems SRL has solved. They deserve much credit. But on the same token i would like to point out how much easier it could have been for them if they had better functions to work with.
Also, their is a contributor version that is rewarded to indivduals who learn much about ibot.
I am fine with people critizing the bot. The only way it will get better is thru this.
I gave scar a chance, after ayran died i knew very little about it, true i had written a obfuscator but never a script. I made ubi and genodemon modified srl to send events to it. We thought we were gods and this would solve everything.
Cruels minizer and ubi:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...eerscape&hl=en
srl + ubi + 2 scars
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...=impsoft&hl=en
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMYXeoBQ8Wc
It was at this point i relized how slow scar was. I should have done my homework before.
K saying you do both is better. Don't try to act like an angel.
I didn't mean multiple windows was in the proverion, I meant that both of those things make it seem like more for gain, not for learning,
If SCAR was at the stage where a good working script couldn't be written by a skilled scripter, or even the creator, I wouldn't bother learning to script for that either. You can't use how well a script works to measure progress in learning to script if the platform isn't ready.
Criticism is good, but I don't want scar vs ibot threads here. I'm not admin, but I like the peaceful nature of this forum. I don't mind you posting updates and such. It's just threads like these which are more like persuasive essays than informative ones, with people on both sides defending and opposing. I think that's a waste of time until you get further. Impsoft forums have more people that use ibot and know more about it, so thats the best place to get criticism for improving.
i like arguements bc i think much is taught. Most things arn't public till a argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boreas
True impsoft has more people that know about ibot.
You sound like the some of the people who are telling me not to pursue this project for it will hurt their own projects.
You like how scar limits how much a one can auto.
What do you mean until i get further are you implying till i write all the anti-randoms? I wrote the bot that doesn't mean i have to hold everyone's hand and write the scripts/randoms also. If i did no one would have any reason to ever learn.
"waste of time until you get further"
For someone that is here just to learn, you sound more like a user than a developer.
On the contrary, I am saying pursue it further. Then comparisons/debates/arguments can start.
Secondly I don't see how it could hurt my projects. Even if this does live up to the hype, SCAR will remain strong. I am not creating a competing platform. Even if I had a pay script, either iBot wouldn't be good and I would still have customers, or it would be good and I would switch to iBot.
I don't like how scar limits how much one can auto. But I don't like the attitude/focus of aryan (I know you said you won't let it turn out like that).
No I am saying until it is a good as SCAR was, where others can write antirandoms etc for it, just like others wrote for SCAR. (If it is at that point, then sorry I assumed that it wasn't, because no has written stuff).
I said that persuasive essay like threads are a waste of time until you are finished (or at a certain point, again if its already at that point, see previous parentheses). Scripting for a platform that isn't ready is like designing a wireless router for a standard that hasn't been finalized yet, tailoring a suit for someone you have haven't met yet, drawing the blueprints for a structure built with a material that hasn't been invented yet, like how George Lucas waited to do the final StarWars until special effects technology caught up with his vision (sorry for crappy analogies, just trying to explain what I mean).
Think about this from a users point of view and a scripter/developer point of view: to a user, those features are really exciting, to a scripter/developer, the current state isn't exciting.