Web Design Company? ~ TViYH

Hey, guys :)

Well. Soon, hopefully, I'll be getting the Adobe/Macromedia line of products. They include but are not limited to: Photoshop, Dreamweaver, InDesign, Fireworks.

I was just wanting to know if any of you had HTML/CSS tips I can use. I plan to maybe make a business out of it.

I don't have any examples, except for ( http://acesart.com/pizza_spr09/elkins_pizza/index.htm ).

Just please give me some tips :) I'm pretty good at it, been doing it for a year +.

Also, do NOT tell me not to use HTML/CSS.

Shove that table up your ass and use fucking CSS!

I'll get into a Web Design Company with you if you want :D I could use some work to add to an active portfolio for Uni.

NiCbaZ will probably have some nice hints for you aswell ^.^

Heres some good reading; http://anti-tables.com/about

I've got a adobe master collection *trial* link for you, want it?

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Originally Posted by Hermpie

I've got a adobe master collection *trial* link for you, want it?

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I have this same *trial* too :D

That *Trial*, I didn't install it on my pc it's way to big and it makes your pc slow.

Ps. im searching a html php css teacher? one of these I would like to learn more of it.

I am pretty good at HTML.

I'm no expert, though.

ToF, HTML ftw. I just don't care what other people think. Btw, It's kind of hard to make a website without tables if you want it decently sized :P Unless you used Imageready, of course. But, yeah. If I ever start it, you'll be the first person I'll contact.

PS: I want no trials. Trials aren't long-lasting, I need long-lasting products. Who the hell is going to have a company that is only in use for 30 days?

Can you teach me and motivate me? Because it's so easy i'm not trying it :p

Btw. if you help me putting html or php or Css on my server(hosted by ruler TY!)
Then you can use a part of it.

Lol, Hermpie :P

I have a MGatesPhoto website, impSOFT website, and a few GoDaddy ones :P
I'm not short on that subject.

But, the only thing I can really tell you is to read HTML sources of websites and see what they actually output.

it's more putting it on the server :p like a homepage.
Can you make me a little homepage then I can learn from it.

Add me hermenOtter at Live.nl

Added. Now, just get on Hotmail :)

It would be smart, if I had Msn running :P

:O Get on so I can has helping you.

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Originally Posted by TViYH

I am pretty good at HTML.

I'm no expert, though.

ToF, HTML ftw. I just don't care what other people think. Btw, It's kind of hard to make a website without tables if you want it decently sized :P Unless you used Imageready, of course. But, yeah. If I ever start it, you'll be the first person I'll contact.

PS: I want no trials. Trials aren't long-lasting, I need long-lasting products. Who the hell is going to have a company that is only in use for 30 days?

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Not going to get far if you dont use Divs and CSS, also i would learn php and JS for login systems etc.

Yeh. I don't mean I'm starting it now :P

However, I did get the Macromedia MX line a few hours ago :)

How so TViYH? Your limited with tables, possabilities with CSS are endless.

Never use tables, you can make a website 100x better with CSS, and plus you can attatch a stylesheet to every page and just edit the CSS Stylesheet and it updates all the pages, with tables you would have to do it manually.

And I dont think it was a trial, as such... it was a 'trial' *wink wink.. cough*a cracked torrent*cough*

Get a book on CSS layout and read that before doing ANY more web design :P

I recommend "CSS: The Missing Manual". It's really well written.

Lol. I just got The Macromedia Studio MX for Dummies.

I'll be reading up on CSS.

Get on msn, is there any good *free*pdf about CSS?

I hear that if you search on a particular website that goes by the name of btjunkie for "the missing manual css" then a link appears. I don't know where the link will take you but I recommend that if you are planning on clicking it then you have a bittorrent client ready..

PM me if you need some help.

I don't understand, I JUST DON'T FREAKING GET IT!
Everyone would know he said go to btjunkie and download it.
But I just don't FREAKING get it.
Some people even knew it before he did.(^^)

~Hermpie

Question, how old are you?

Learn PHP or Actionscript

R0b0t1: I'm 15.

Smartz: I'm trying to learn actionscript, but I can't find any good tuts :S

...You're trying to learn everything at once. Bad idea. Make some pages with just HTML and CSS. Then design a login system with PHP. And just work your way up.

So the best would be:
Html page
Html & php page
Html & php login page
Html & some css?

HTML & CSS
HTML/CSS/PhP

Then go wherever you want, pretty much.

And ofc I would need dreamwaver?

Yeah, use xhtml.

I got 1 tip... NEVER use tables.

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And ofc I would need dreamwaver?

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Originally Posted by Mylesmadness

Yeah, use xhtml.

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Xhtml is some special version of html? or is it dreamwavers version?

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Originally Posted by Dumpin

I got 1 tip... NEVER use tables.

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Tables? Example please?


nvm googled.

If you dont know about them the better.

Dont even bother learning them. Just ignore they exist.

I googled what's wrong about them?
The code is a bit non-logical, because if you just add 1 more line it will be seen as the next row =/ or column

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I googled what's wrong about them?
The code is a bit non-logical, because if you just add 1 more line it will be seen as the next row =/ or column

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Everything. They are difficult to work with, they look hideous...

Just never use them. EVER.

You don't need dreamweaver. I learn using windows notepad but I would use any text editor/ide that has syntax highlighting. You don't need to bother with Dreamweaver at the moment as your focus should be on the syntax, not which IDEs offer corner-cutting, time-saving tricks.

Oh btw, HTML and XHTML are almost exactly the same except with XHTML you have to close *all* tags so where HTML will allow you to type:

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<img src="">

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In XHTML you have to close the tag so you end with "/>" not just ">". Like so:

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<img src="" />

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Another difference with XHTML and HTML is that with XHTML all images must have an alt text. This can be left empty though but for accesibility reasons you will usualy always want (read should) fill it in. If you don't want to add any text then you can just write the following:

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<img src="" alt"" />

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As you can see there isn't much difference between XHTML and HTML. Have a look at the W3C site and read about the differences there though. XHTML is just a little bit more semantic than HMTL.

Oh and make sure that you learn about doctypes.

Btw hermpie. What did you mean with this comment?

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I don't understand, I JUST DON'T FREAKING GET IT!
Everyone would know he said go to btjunkie and download it.
But I just don't FREAKING get it.
Some people even knew it before he did.(^^)

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Originally Posted by Torrent of Flame

Everything. They are difficult to work with, they look hideous...

Just never use them. EVER.

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They're not hideous :) They make web design a whole lot easier.

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Originally Posted by TViYH

They're not hideous :) They make web design a whole lot easier.

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Not really. If you know CSS, its alot easier.

And Dreamweaver helps, alot. It means you can work in the code page but then go to the preview page to check it works, and debug it. Cant do that with word processors, you have to save it as a .html then open the web, every time.

Its quicker with DW, but you dont have to buy it, you can 'aquire' it.

I use XHTML.

xhtml is pretty good. ... I don't understand... why do the most of you hate tables?... they can be abused... but so can frames... I mean, I use tables and they can be annoying... but what is wrong with them?

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Not really. If you know CSS, its alot easier.

And Dreamweaver helps, alot. It means you can work in the code page but then go to the preview page to check it works, and debug it. Cant do that with word processors, you have to save it as a .html then open the web, every time.

Its quicker with DW, but you dont have to buy it, you can 'aquire' it.

I use XHTML.

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Give me an example of the CSS code of a table.

There is no CSS codes in a table?

I mean, never use tables to design how your website looks

There are ways to make Tables like yours in CSS and I would prefer to do so, but I myself have never used CSS to design a table. But you can just make a series of outlined boxed within the main content box, AFAIK.

Use tables for tabular data, use CSS for styling the page and all elements within the page.. simple!