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05-20-2009, 04:45 AM
Torrent of Flame

Yakman, your replies are always of epic proportions.
05-20-2009, 04:50 AM
tls

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Originally Posted by yakman

this is a Discussion and Debates section, I'm contributing, no-one is forcing you to read this thread or post in it.

agreed...

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Originally Posted by Wizzup?

Yes, the USA are extremely cool to the Koran and Muslims, aren't they?
("Let's not vote for Obama! He is a muslim, he must be a terrorist!")

He got elected... by majority? hmm...
05-20-2009, 04:56 AM
Wizzup?

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Originally Posted by mormonman

agreed...

He got elected... by majority? hmm...

That doesn't indicate that 49% of the USA can't be against Muslims.
05-20-2009, 05:33 AM
tls

apparently i am useless.
05-20-2009, 06:07 AM
Yakman

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Originally Posted by footballjds

all im saying is there has to be a higher power. But i can't explain it :D. i don't know everything, :duh:

well in my last post, i just showed you that the proposed solution of a "higher power" comes up to the very same problems it tries to solve.

its clear that the high power hypothesis is flawed, it cant be the right answer.
05-20-2009, 08:29 AM
sirlaughsalot

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Originally Posted by Torrent of Flame

And Dan Cardin, so if God has given us free will, why do we go to 'hell' if we abuse this free will? Surely if it was free then God would allow us to let us do what we want with it and not punish us?

I R nawt Dan Cardin, but I want to answer that. It is not that God "Punishes" us, it is that God does not allow any sin into heaven. Which is why we need Jesus.

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Originally Posted by Yakman

i think you'll find the scientific method as we know it was invented by humans, it grew by a gradual, incremental process of continuous improvement.
it was not invented by god, and to my knowledge no scriptures give any details of any part of the scientific method.

no-one said science is perfect, this is a strawman fallecy.

I believe by "Science" he more or less meant nature, and the study of it. God wanted us to observe his creation and see its marvelous features.

If humanity is imperfect, and it creates something, that something can not be perfect. Hence, the scientific method "as we know it" is flawed.

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Originally Posted by Yakman

I think this is one of the major problems with the delusion of god, it teaches people, "I dont need to do anything worthwhile in this life, as long as I go to church, I will get a second chance in the afterlife"

False. At least Christianity, does not teach that. Christianity teaches people to be good to each other, and spread God's word. Generally people do not just become Christians and quit, some do, but people who have a relationship with God feel a need to spread their beliefs with other people, and share the joy He has imparted onto them.

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Originally Posted by Yakman

that could easily be turned against you by asking where did god come from?
god is something, and you've just asserted that something cannot come from nothing. So with your logic, there is a demand for a higher power then god.

but then you can ask, "what created this higher power then god", and it would have to be a higher power then the higher power that created god.

but what created that?

so as you can see, saying that god created it solves nothing.

Not quite, as God is not limited to having to be made. You might want to duct tape your head as this next comment might make it explode. We dont need to understand how or why He didnt need to be made, rather that his existance always has been and always will be.

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Originally Posted by Yakman

yes, this is one of the biggest problems with religion.

It teaches you to be satisfied with not knowing, it teaches that it's a good thing when you dont understand something. Instead, it teaches that you must have faith.
in other words, religion teaches you to be stupid.

It teaches you that we cannot begin to understand an infinite being. There is a very large difference, an "infinite" one, if you will. [/pun]

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Originally Posted by Yakman

regarding america being the land of religious freedom.

why do american athiests care about religion?

1. Because the constitutions of seven states--Arkansas, Maryland, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, South Carolina, North Carolina, and Texas--contain provisions prohibiting atheists from holding public office or testifying in court.

Those provisions can only come to fruition if someone publicly announces they do not believe in a God, not to mention people are not forced to say if the do or do not believe

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Originally Posted by Yakman

2. Atheist boys cannot be members of the Boy Scouts even though the Boy Scouts commonly receive public funds and special consideration in the use of public lands.

The Boy Scouts only requires you to acknowledge some kind of God, even being, yourself.

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Originally Posted by Yakman

3. Politicians like President Bush Sr. feel free to say: "No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God."

Double negative?

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4. "Blue laws" in many states restrict what can be sold on Sundays based on religious considerations.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_law

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5. The phrase "under God" was added to the Pledge of Allegiance in 1954.

And?

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Originally Posted by Yakman

6. The phrase "In god we trust" was added to U.S. coins in 1864 and to dollar bills in 1957.

Neither of these statements hold any debating value, they are simply random statements.

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Originally Posted by Yakman

7. The U.S. was not founded as a Christian nation, yet I see some Christians seriously attempting to make it so.

In the Declaration of Independence, which stated our nation was independent from Great Britain, says,

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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness

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Originally Posted by Yakman

8. Those professing religious beliefs are attempting to control what is taught in public schools so as to conform to, or at least not conflict with, their dogma. They seek, for instance, to have creationism or intelligent design passed off as science in public schools.

Quite funny, that you would bring that up (or rather the video dude). Am I the only one who does not believe it to be right that only evolution is being taught in schools when there are alternatives. Not even to explicitly teach creationism, but maybe, teach what is wrong with the theory of evolution.

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9. National, state, and local policy decisions are being decided based not on rational thought and discourse, but religious belief and fervor.

Religion shapes people's beliefs, politicians do not quote scripture in congress in regards to, gay marriage, abortion, and other hot-button issues. They argue what they believe based on certain scriptures, but lots of people who are not Christians are against abortion and gay marriage.

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10. Atheists are the least trusted minority in the U.S. simply because they have no belief in god(s).

That is quite sad to me, but there is no proof that it is because they do not believe in a God or gods.

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Originally Posted by Yakman

Freedom of religion also means freedom from religion.

If you consider your no-religion a religion I suppose...
05-20-2009, 08:54 AM
Blumblebee

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Originally Posted by footballjds

i NEVER said i can explain God, Yakman. If I could( or anyone could) that would make him not God. :D
;)
all im saying is there has to be a higher power. But i can't explain it :D. i don't know everything, :duh:

agreed. I dont believe in God persay, but I believe in a higher power.

If you close your eyes whilst travelling in a car, you cannot tell which direction you are traveling in, or if your travelling at all. However, you know, even though you cant see, smell, hear, or feel the car moving (although you might feel a few "bumps" along the way), it is. The same goes with "a higher power", you might not feel it, smell it , hear it or even know its there, but it is.

Ive been in two car accidents in my life, one which I probably should have died, yet I came out without a scratch (besides my two front teeth ;)). The second I nearly killed a girl but swerved and hit aprox. 6 inches from the driver door, and we both, including 5 passengers in my Truck and the two in her van, walked away with a couple of bruises and thats it, while both vehicles were totalled. Call it what you want, but to me thats a sign that somebody/something wants to keep me alive.

Now then disprove me, show me some statistics and tell me I'm completely wrong, but you cant change my believe in the same way I cant change yours. But think about your life, all the priveledges you have, and think of the priveleges you might not have had. Call it fate if you will. You were one in six billion to live your life, the only one that ever will. You were the faster sperm out of trillions (XD) and you were born into an affluent (or affluent enough to own a computer) family, when you could easily be living in Africa starving, or Iraq and living every day in fear.
05-20-2009, 09:17 AM
Griff

I don't necessarily believe in God, but like Blumblebee, a higher power that nobody can explain. And for everyone that doesn't believe in God, what do you say happens when you die?

Also, let's say God doesn't exist for a second. Should we not still abide by his 10 commandments? Isn't it still good to not kill, swear, steal, commit adultery, ect.
05-20-2009, 11:42 AM
bullzeye95

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Originally Posted by sirlaughsalot

If humanity is imperfect, and it creates something, that something can not be perfect. Hence, the scientific method "as we know it" is flawed.

Logic is perfect. A is A is perfect. Humans can't be "perfect," as we have no standard of "perfect" to compare to. Ideas, however, can be perfect.

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Not quite, as God is not limited to having to be made. You might want to duct tape your head as this next comment might make it explode. We dont need to understand how or why He didnt need to be made, rather that his existance always has been and always will be.

If you can say this, then why can we not say that all of the energy in the universe always has been and always will be?

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Originally Posted by sirlaughsalot

Those provisions can only come to fruition if someone publicly announces they do not believe in a God, not to mention people are not forced to say if the do or do not believe

Would it be right to prosecute Jews or Muslims if they publicly announced their religion?

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Originally Posted by sirlaughsalot

The Boy Scouts only requires you to acknowledge some kind of God, even being, yourself.

That's stupid.. I know I'm not a god, so I can never join Boy Scouts?

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And?

Neither of these statements hold any debating value, they are simply random statements.

This was supposed to be a secular nation.. how would you feel if it was changed to "One nation under Allah," "One nation under Yahweh," or "One nation under Zeus"?

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Originally Posted by sirlaughsalot

In the Declaration of Independence, which stated our nation was independent from Great Britain, says, ...(quote)...

So because of one line in the DoI, this country is a christian nation?

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Originally Posted by sirlaughsalot

Quite funny, that you would bring that up (or rather the video dude). Am I the only one who does not believe it to be right that only evolution is being taught in schools when there are alternatives. Not even to explicitly teach creationism, but maybe, teach what is wrong with the theory of evolution.

If you were to teach what's wrong with the theory, you'd have to teach what's wrong with all of the other theories being taught. That would take way too much time.

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Originally Posted by Griff721

I don't necessarily believe in God, but like Blumblebee, a higher power that nobody can explain. And for everyone that doesn't believe in God, what do you say happens when you die?

You are no longer conscious of anything. You are dead.

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Also, let's say God doesn't exist for a second. Should we not still abide by his 10 commandments? Isn't it still good to not kill, swear, steal, commit adultery, ect.

Just because a god doesn't exist means that we should start killing/harming each other? No. We don't do that stuff because we fear the recoil -- either the law, or the victim fighting back.
05-20-2009, 03:06 PM
Torrent of Flame

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Originally Posted by Griff721

I don't necessarily believe in God, but like Blumblebee, a higher power that nobody can explain. And for everyone that doesn't believe in God, what do you say happens when you die?

Also, let's say God doesn't exist for a second. Should we not still abide by his 10 commandments? Isn't it still good to not kill, swear, steal, commit adultery, ect.

There actually more than 10, its just these 10 are the most well known. And Swearing, stealing and commiting adultery is not unappreciated because of God, it is because of the government. AFAIK, they put rules in place so if you do this you go to jail... We dont do these things because we have morals and we are bought up to abide by a set of morals.

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Originally Posted by Griff721

I don't necessarily believe in God, but like Blumblebee, a higher power that nobody can explain. And for everyone that doesn't believe in God, what do you say happens when you die?

You cease to exist. You just dont exist anymore. When you die, thats it. You do nothing. Your body is just an inaminate object.
05-20-2009, 04:23 PM
kingarabian

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Originally Posted by jakeyboy29

religion is for people who dont understand science.

Religion created science.
05-20-2009, 07:27 PM
bullzeye95

Science was around thousands of years before your religion was even started. Of course you could mean that Zeus created science or something, but I'm sure that's not what you mean.
05-20-2009, 07:50 PM
footballjds

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Originally Posted by bullzeye95

Science was around thousands of years before your religion was even started.

ROFL, ;)
read the first verse in the Bible if you think that :rolleyes:
don't say something off the wall you don't know :)
05-20-2009, 09:46 PM
ShowerThoughts

God shaped people as adults.
God shaped earth as million years old.
05-20-2009, 11:55 PM
Torrent of Flame

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Originally Posted by footballjds

ROFL, ;)
read the first verse in the Bible if you think that :rolleyes:
don't say something off the wall you don't know :)

AHAHAHAHHAHAHAH!

So because the Bible says something its true? Don't say something so daft.

The Bible != True. Depends on your opinion.
05-21-2009, 12:11 AM
footballjds

well don't tell me when my religion started ;)
cause u don't believe in it :p
05-21-2009, 12:21 AM
Torrent of Flame

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Originally Posted by footballjds

well don't tell me when my religion started ;)
cause u don't believe in it :p

So.. dinosaurs? How did those come about then?
05-21-2009, 12:24 AM
footballjds

well, i think my answer would be obvious. but to you its a matter of opinion. and i think i stated mine FAR to much
05-21-2009, 12:30 AM
Blender

I consider religion an answer to questions for the simple minded.
Why does a ball drop to the ground?
Because God made it that way.

You can answer any question this way, which pisses me off.
I have stated my point...

Also, without religion science would have excelled immensely.
Most religions (back a couple of hundred years) cut off your head and called you a devil worshiper if you said that the Earth orbits the Sun.

Just saying...
:D
05-21-2009, 12:38 AM
sirlaughsalot

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Originally Posted by xXxBlender3DxXx

I consider religion an answer to questions for the simple minded.
Why does a ball drop to the ground?
Because God made it that way.

You can answer any question this way, which pisses me off.
I have stated my point...

Sure that answers the question, it does not limit you only to that explanation though. Religion is a very complicated concept, if you really think about it and actually study it and try to begin to understand it. You skim the surface and focus on one point and say "It is for the simple minded because..." When really you cannot grasp the concept of an infinite being, and that makes you simple minded.
05-21-2009, 12:42 AM
Torrent of Flame

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Originally Posted by footballjds

well, i think my answer would be obvious. but to you its a matter of opinion. and i think i stated mine FAR to much

God put them there to test our faith? What..?
05-21-2009, 12:42 AM
Blender

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Originally Posted by sirlaughsalot

Sure that answers the question, it does not limit you only to that explanation though. Religion is a very complicated concept, if you really think about it and actually study it and try to begin to understand it. You skim the surface and focus on one point and say "It is for the simple minded because..." When really you cannot grasp the concept of an infinite being, and that makes you simple minded.

Religion contradicts with reality and logic. I don't need to explain why, you just think about it.

Also here's one contradiction: if God is the Creator, who created Him?
Nothing can be eternal since matter decays. Unless you reject science completely, you can't believe in God.
05-21-2009, 12:49 AM
Blender

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Originally Posted by Hermen

God shaped people as adults.
God shaped earth as million years old.

If God shaped people as adults, then why are babies tiny?
And the Earth isn't a million years old:p
Its 4.55 billion years old.

About 4,550 time more than you said.
05-21-2009, 01:22 AM
Yakman

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Originally Posted by sirlaughsalot

I believe by "Science" he more or less meant nature, and the study of it. God wanted us to observe his creation and see its marvelous features.

well then he is onto a loser.

the word Science comes from the Latin scientia, meaning "knowledge" or "knowing".
it is not necessarily to do with nature, for example ecnomics is a science, yet it deals with purely human activities.
sociology and psychology are also examples of sciences that are nothing to do with nature.

it is the scientific method that allows us to study all this, and there is no detail of it in the scriptures.

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Originally Posted by sirlaughsalot

If humanity is imperfect, and it creates something, that something can not be perfect. Hence, the scientific method "as we know it" is flawed.

it doesnt need to be perfect, but it works and its proven itself to work countless times.
without the scientific method the world would be a very very different place.

the obvious irony here is how you say its not perfect and suggest it is useless, but you'll go to a doctor when you get ill. Guess where the doctor's knowledge came from.

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Originally Posted by sirlaughsalot

False. At least Christianity, does not teach that. Christianity teaches people to be good to each other, and spread God's word. Generally people do not just become Christians and quit, some do, but people who have a relationship with God feel a need to spread their beliefs with other people, and share the joy He has imparted onto them.

the second part of your paragraph doesnt make much sense.
people can be good to each other and do very little worthwhile.

but i more talking about who have faith because it gives them something to look forward to when they die.

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Originally Posted by sirlaughsalot

Not quite, as God is not limited to having to be made. You might want to duct tape your head as this next comment might make it explode. We dont need to understand how or why He didnt need to be made, rather that his existance always has been and always will be.

yes, this is exactly what im talking about.
Faith teaches you to be satisfied with not knowing.

although according to footballjds,

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thus where did this "something" come from to begin with?

substitute "god" into "something.

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Originally Posted by sirlaughsalot

Those provisions can only come to fruition if someone publicly announces they do not believe in a God, not to mention people are not forced to say if the do or do not believe

so you're admitting that someone cannot be openly athiest, they have to hide their non belief, they have to show half-truths to their electorate.
doesnt seem at all fair when christian and jewish politicians can be open about their faith, they even invite people to pray with them.

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Originally Posted by sirlaughsalot

The Boy Scouts only requires you to acknowledge some kind of God, even being, yourself.

this doesnt excuse it, it is still prejudgist against people who dont believe in god.

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Double negative?

i dont understand where the double negative is. President Bush Sr basically said to be a citizen of the US you need to believe in god. This is prejudgist against people who dont believe in god and that is one reason why american athiests care about it.

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Originally Posted by sirlaughsalot

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_law

i dont understand, that wikipedia article supports my point.

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Most have been repealed, have been declared unconstitutional, or are simply unenforced, although prohibitions on the sale of alcoholic beverages, and occasionally almost all commerce, on Sundays are still enforced in many areas.

so you have to buy your booze on another day even if you're not a christian and dont believe that about Sundays.

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And?

why should athiests (or any non-believers) have to lie to become citizens of a country that is not a christian nation? (more on this later)

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Neither of these statements hold any debating value, they are simply random statements.

im sure you can see why that stuff would cause worry for non-christians.

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In the Declaration of Independence, which stated our nation was independent from Great Britain, says,

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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness

the DOI talking about a creator does not imply that america is a christian nation.

iirc most of the founding fathers were either deists or athiests.

for more concrete evidence for my case, see the Treaty of Tripoli written and signed in 1797.
it was written to end a war between the US and Tripoli.

Article 11 of it reads

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As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

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Originally Posted by sirlaughsalot

Quite funny, that you would bring that up (or rather the video dude). Am I the only one who does not believe it to be right that only evolution is being taught in schools when there are alternatives. Not even to explicitly teach creationism, but maybe, teach what is wrong with the theory of evolution.

the reason this worries so many people and the reason it was mentioned is that the theory of evolution has much evidence supporting it, while creationism and intelligence design has no evidence.

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Originally Posted by sirlaughsalot

That is quite sad to me, but there is no proof that it is because they do not believe in a God or gods.

the definition of an athiest is one who does not believe in god(s).
the proof is right there,

if you ask, "do you trust an athiest?", or "do you trust one who does not believe in god?", you are actually asking the same question.

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Originally Posted by footballjds

ROFL, ;)
read the first verse in the Bible if you think that :rolleyes:
don't say something off the wall you don't know :)

you're wrong, he is right.
the ancient greeks had some pretty sophisicated stuff for their time, and this was ~500 years before jesus was supposedly born.

also, there is no evidence to back up the bible, therefore no truth can be derived from it alone.

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Originally Posted by Hermen

God shaped people as adults.
God shaped earth as million years old.

the evidence suggests otherwise
the evidence shows the earth was shaped by purely natural phenomina, such as erosion, collisons, life and chemical reactions.

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Originally Posted by kingarabian

Religion created science.

this is an untruth, in reality, science progresses in spite of religion, not because of it.

what are the fiercest opponents of evolution by natural selection? the religious people.

why did people oppose the heliocentric model? because of religion.

the catholic church for example has opposed virtually every single advancement in science that conflicts with their beliefs. Yet these advancements increase the happyness and quality of life for millions if not billions of people.

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Originally Posted by footballjds

well don't tell me when my religion started ;)
cause u don't believe in it :p

what does believing in it have to do with anything?

I dont believe in the flying spaghetti monster but I know that religion started in 2006.

everyone knows jesus founded the christian religion, and muhammed founded the muslim religion, and buddha founded the buddhist religion. etc etc
05-21-2009, 01:28 AM
footballjds

Christianity was not started when Christ was born ;)
It was changed when he was born but in essence it was there b4 he came
05-21-2009, 01:34 AM
Yakman

isnt that a jewish thing?
05-21-2009, 01:45 AM
Torrent of Flame

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Originally Posted by footballjds

Christianity was not started when Christ was born ;)
It was changed when he was born but in essence it was there b4 he came

No it wasnt. The first council of Nicaea was the effort by Constantine to unite all of the Christendom denominations into one religion, now known as Christianity.

This is also essentially where the first 'laws' of Christianity was agreed upon, not specifically the first council, but in the Council of Nicaea. Christ was seen to be the 'divinity' by the council. This is where the idea that Christ == God came from.
05-21-2009, 01:46 AM
Richard

Yes, Christianity is derived from Jewdaism
05-21-2009, 03:56 AM
footballjds

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Originally Posted by Torrent of Flame

No it wasnt. The first council of Nicaea was the effort by Constantine to unite all of the Christendom denominations into one religion, now known as Christianity.

This is also essentially where the first 'laws' of Christianity was agreed upon, not specifically the first council, but in the Council of Nicaea. Christ was seen to be the 'divinity' by the council. This is where the idea that Christ == God came from.

And everything just about everything about Christ was predicted 100s of years before he came.
How could they predict it???
There is many other things that were predicted in the Bible are are recorded to have happened by other historians. How were they predicted by the bible??
05-21-2009, 04:21 AM
Dan Cardin

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Originally Posted by Torrent of Flame

and Dan Cardin, so if God has given us free will, why do we go to 'hell' if we abuse this free will? Surely if it was free then God would allow us to let us do what we want with it and not punish us?

I do not know, not really my area of expertise, though i see your question was adequately answered above. I wasn't advocating what they believe, just explaining their reasoning (or what i think their reasoning is)

@Yakkmeister - Woops, im sorry, you made 1 and 2 then you fought very feistily in the two threads by pwnaz0r. Maybe its not specifically God driven? There have been 10 threads by you in discussions and debates on relatively heated debating type subjects. Not including ones that havent been made by you. Maybe its a different sort of erm...quest i might call it?
05-21-2009, 04:29 AM
kingarabian

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Originally Posted by bullzeye95

Science was around thousands of years before your religion was even started. Of course you could mean that Zeus created science or something, but I'm sure that's not what you mean.

.......What?

History boy, history!
05-21-2009, 04:35 AM
GoF

It's funny how some bronze-age cults still influence people so much. If christianity was introduced to people today everyone would just laugh their asses off, and nobody (except maybe a few toothless one-eyed rednecks) would take it seriously.

My view to the whole religion thing is that it's just useless. Nothing good has ever come out of religion and never will, or perhaps someone could tell me something (please no "jesus christ! the savior! he will save you in your afterlife!"), but oh how many wars it's started and how many people have died because of it..

The one thing that annoys me the most about creationists is the "SCIENCE IS EVIL AND MAKES YOU KILL PEOPLE" attitude. Seriously, do people who say that really think we'd be better off with a 20 year life expectancy(sp), no hygiene, no healthcare, "houses" would be caves or some silly cottages put together from twigs and clay, food would be dirty water with some berries and a random animals badly cooked meat and hunting for the animal would be chasing it around with a sharp stick, and so on and so on... And of course, if anyone thought of any advancement they'd just promptly be killed for witchcraft. That'd be life indeed. So instead of taking everything science has accomplished for granted and doing everything in their power to stop it those people could try to live completely without anything science has done for mankind for just a month or so, and then think again.. But I doubt any would survive.

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And everything just about everything about Christ was predicted 100s of years before he came.
How could they predict it???
There is many other things that were predicted in the Bible are are recorded to have happened by other historians. How were they predicted by the bible??

Because none of it is true. You can "predict" something will happen and then just claim it happened, and conveniently you don't need any evidence of this happening either, because you just think about it wrong if you don't believe.
05-21-2009, 05:02 AM
kingarabian

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Originally Posted by GoF

It's funny how some bronze-age cults still influence people so much. If christianity was introduced to people today everyone would just laugh their asses off, and nobody (except maybe a few toothless one-eyed rednecks) would take it seriously.

My view to the whole religion thing is that it's just useless. Nothing good has ever come out of religion and never will, or perhaps someone could tell me something (please no "jesus christ! the savior! he will save you in your afterlife!"), but oh how many wars it's started and how many people have died because of it..

The one thing that annoys me the most about creationists is the "SCIENCE IS EVIL AND MAKES YOU KILL PEOPLE" attitude. Seriously, do people who say that really think we'd be better off with a 20 year life expectancy(sp), no hygiene, no healthcare, "houses" would be caves or some silly cottages put together from twigs and clay, food would be dirty water with some berries and a random animals badly cooked meat and hunting for the animal would be chasing it around with a sharp stick, and so on and so on... And of course, if anyone thought of any advancement they'd just promptly be killed for witchcraft. That'd be life indeed. So instead of taking everything science has accomplished for granted and doing everything in their power to stop it those people could try to live completely without anything science has done for mankind for just a month or so, and then think again.. But I doubt any would survive.

Because none of it is true. You can "predict" something will happen and then just claim it happened, and conveniently you don't need any evidence of this happening either, because you just think about it wrong if you don't believe.

Again, religion created science. But I do agree that Christianity has alot of flaws.
05-21-2009, 05:39 AM
Wizzup?

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Originally Posted by kingarabian

Again, religion created science. But I do agree that Christianity has alot of flaws.

Religion created science? Religion tries to stop science with whatever means possible.
The only way it could have create science is by predicting such idiotic stuff that people wanted to prove otherwise, thus invented science.
05-21-2009, 05:50 AM
bullzeye95

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Originally Posted by footballjds

And everything just about everything about Christ was predicted 100s of years before he came.
How could they predict it???
There is many other things that were predicted in the Bible are are recorded to have happened by other historians. How were they predicted by the bible??

Examples of predictions that came true please?

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.......What?

History boy, history!

What are you trying to say? :\

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Originally Posted by kingarabian

Again, religion created science.

You keep saying this, but haven't given one case of religion advancing science.
05-21-2009, 06:36 AM
Yakman

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Originally Posted by bullzeye95

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Originally Posted by kingarabian

Again, religion created science. But I do agree that Christianity has alot of flaws.

You keep saying this, but haven't given one case of religion advancing science.

and we've given many examples of religion hindering science.
05-21-2009, 06:56 AM
footballjds

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Originally Posted by Yakman

and we've given many examples of religion hindering science.

agreed!!!
the catholic church didn't want to believe that the sun was the center of the universe because they thought God would have made everything evolve around the earth ;)

that is pathetic, granted :D
05-21-2009, 07:10 AM
Ogre

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Religion is the opium of the masses. - Karl Max

I myself am not sure what I believe. I don't really put much though into it because, really, how does believing that there is or isn't a god(s) affect me?
05-21-2009, 07:12 AM
Dynamite

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Originally Posted by Ogre

I myself am not sure what I believe. I don't really put much though into it because, really, how does believing that there is or isn't a god(s) affect me?

Well said.

T~M
05-21-2009, 09:05 AM
Dan Cardin

Im not sure about religion itself, but afaik, many religious people (priests and whatnot) came up with many a now commonly accepted scientific theory; big bang for instance.

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