yes, it's another god thread

God wouldn't really be God unless you had to believe in Him. If it was obvious God was there, religion wouldn't really exist. So you either believe, or you don't. Science can't really prove anything here.

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Originally Posted by jakeyboy29

religion is for people who dont understand science.

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Saying that makes you very dumb.

You guys do know that you can argue about this until the MySQL Database runs out of space?
It has been debated for thousands of years, so I don't think that a group of people devoted to creating the perfect computer program that can simulate a person in an online game would make a difference.

Just saying...

People are stubborn. Very stubborn. They don't want to listen to others' ideas and want to prove that their idea is better than all the rest. Even those that share the exact same idea with them.

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Originally Posted by xXxBlender3DxXx

You guys do know that you can argue about this until the MySQL Database runs out of space?
It has been debated for thousands of years, so I don't think that a group of people devoted to creating the perfect computer program that can simulate a person in an online game would make a difference.

Just saying...

People are stubborn. Very stubborn. They don't want to listen to others' ideas and want to prove that their idea is better than all the rest. Even those that share the exact same idea with them.

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It would take a few thousand years before we'd run out of Disk Space, I am afraid. And before that, 1000TB will be as just as cheap 50GB is right now. ;)

I hate these threads you post yakman, keep them to one of them.

People believe in what they want to believe/happen/be. So stop posting these :@

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Originally Posted by Dr D. Dervish

I hate these threads you post yakman, keep them to one of them.

People believe in what they want to believe/happen/be. So stop posting these :@

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This is the debate forum. You don't have to debate if you don't want to.

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Originally Posted by Dr D. Dervish

I hate these threads you post yakman, keep them to one of them.

People believe in what they want to believe/happen/be. So stop posting these :@

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why, according to you, is it allowed to debate about political, social and economical beliefs, but not allowed to debate about religious beliefs?

that makes no sense to me, how are religious beliefs any different?

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Originally Posted by Yakman

why, according to you, is it allowed to debate about political, social and economical beliefs, but not allowed to debate about religious beliefs?

that makes no sense to me, how are religious beliefs any different?

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Well obviously he is a religious fundamentalist fanatic who doesn't want to give people a chance to prove him wrong ;)

Religion. I have a GF who is religious, and myself who isn't. Hefty little combo here =D.

I have once searched on google for aboriginal art (year 2007), and came across a report by a German scientist who discovered 2 "unknown" genes that cannot be linked to anything else in the world. His furthured that study, and concluded that we may have been visited by these aliens whose genes mixed to ours. He included a drawing on the type of person these "Athenians" would look like.

Anyways, just one of my old memories. Take it or leave it. I've done enough thinking on it.

i agree with yakman. u should not follow any religon. its the blind leading the blind!

but i guess some people need hope in there life and god is that hope

Cults = really bad - i.e. klu klux klan

religion = internationally sprend cult ....

am i right ?

no scientific proof, the bible was made by man and if there was a god why is there so much suffering?

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Originally Posted by Z3r0Grav

Cults = really bad - i.e. klu klux klan

religion = internationally sprend cult ....

am i right ?

no scientific proof, the bible was made by man and if there was a god why is there so much suffering?

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There is suffering because Eve ate the forbidden apple.

again bible is made by MAN! theres so much shit in it about nothing - yes i have read the bible, you cant call yourself an aithest without reading it.

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Originally Posted by Z3r0Grav

again bible is made by MAN! theres so much shit in it about nothing - yes i have read the bible, you cant call yourself an aithest without reading it.

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Well you can.

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Originally Posted by Z3r0Grav

again bible is made by MAN! theres so much shit in it about nothing - yes i have read the bible, you cant call yourself an aithest without reading it.

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If you belive that, then you must also read all the other religious books to know what you're not believing in there, too.

I personally find it easier and less arrogant than simply disbelieving the existence of a god to neither believe or disbelieve one. I do though have serious doubts as to whether there is indeed one, but I'm not just proclaiming myself and Atheist and being silly. If we are to believe science, then the universe is infinite. In an infinite universe, anything and everything can and will happen. I personally think that many of the religions such as Christianity and similar ones are very dumb, and have nothing to do with any such god. Most things make no sense at all, which is very much different from just having unexplainability, which doesn't necessarily its wrong. So i am really no more inclined to believe in Jesus and that god, than i am to believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

I believe in God Yakman.

I believe in God because I'm thankful for the things he's given me, and that is a good head on my shoulders and a lot wisdom, just like he's given you. :norris:

you dont know he's given you all that stuff, theres no evidence for any of what you just said.

I'm gonna stick to evidence and logical thinking, as it has worked countless times before and never lets me down.


While you are left with your irrational beliefs typical of what a small child would believe.
In the same way a baby believes they are the center of the world, and that everything disappears when they close their eyes, you are living in a fantasy world and its about time you grew up.

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Originally Posted by Yakman

you dont know he's given you all that stuff, theres no evidence for any of what you just said.

I'm gonna stick to evidence and logical thinking, as it has worked countless times before and never lets me down.


While you are left with your irrational beliefs typical of what a small child would believe.
In the same way a baby believes they are the center of the world, and that everything disappears when they close their eyes, you are living in a fantasy world and its about time you grew up.

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and you said you weren't trying to change peoples minds :rolleyes:

Just let them think how they like, and you can think how you like.
If you think they are stupid, try US Politics.

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Originally Posted by mormonman

and you said you weren't trying to change peoples minds :rolleyes:

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When did he say that?

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Originally Posted by Dr D. Dervish

I hate these threads you post yakman, keep them to one of them.

People believe in what they want to believe/happen/be. So stop posting these :@

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i love these posts. please keep them comeing :P

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Originally Posted by Yakman

you dont know he's given you all that stuff, theres no evidence for any of what you just said.

I'm gonna stick to evidence and logical thinking, as it has worked countless times before and never lets me down.


While you are left with your irrational beliefs typical of what a small child would believe.
In the same way a baby believes they are the center of the world, and that everything disappears when they close their eyes, you are living in a fantasy world and its about time you grew up.

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Is it logical everything came by itself :O ?

who's saying, "everything came by itself"

you're putting words into my mouth now, aka strawman fallecy.

Something I've kinda always wondered. How does something give something that it doesn't have? What I am referencing is, how does something non-living generate/evolve into something that is living?

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Originally Posted by Bobarkinator

Something I've kinda always wondered. How does something give something that it doesn't have? What I am referencing is, how does something non-living generate/evolve into something that is living?

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An extremely complex series of chemical reactions and a bit of luck in that the right chemicals were in the mix to be used.

Please dont reply that a god is the source of these chemicals or luck, if different chemicals were around, or conditions different we would of evolved differently into different life forms capable of surviving. The conditions we live in are so perfect for life, because everything in these conditions have been conditioned to live in them perfectly.

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Originally Posted by The Claw

An extremely complex series of chemical reactions and a bit of luck in that the right chemicals were in the mix to be used.

Please dont reply that a god is the source of these chemicals or luck, if different chemicals were around, or conditions different we would of evolved differently into different life forms capable of surviving. The conditions we live in are so perfect for life, because everything in these conditions have been conditioned to live in them perfectly.

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So you're saying we could just as easily not be here as we are here? That seems like a stupid thing to believe in how we came to be.

the way I see it is,

humans do not know very much at all about abiogenesis (living matter arising from nonliving) and we should put our hands up and admit it, in the same way we admit we dont know much about a whole load of other stuff.

however, many of us have hope that humans will eventually find the answers to these problems.
we rationality behind this hope is that we have discovered the solutions to countless problems before, and there is no reason to think that this problem is very different to all the others.


I suppose you could draw an analogy between waiting for the second coming of jesus and waiting for the solution to any problem to be discovered.
The only difference would be that you can actually become a scientist if you want, and join the others who are working on problems, to help them solve it faster perhaps.

So you put your faith in humankind that they will find a solution. I put my faith in Jesus Christ because for me, that is the solution. The way I see it, it's almost a principle of parsimony kind of thing. I see two options. Wait out on humankind to get a solution, or go with the easier option, that is their already is solution with God.

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Originally Posted by Bobarkinator

So you put your faith in humankind that they will find a solution. I put my faith in Jesus Christ because for me, that is the solution. The way I see it, it's almost a principle of parsimony kind of thing. I see two options. Wait out on humankind to get a solution, or go with the easier option, that is their already is solution with God.

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And it's the only good solution there is. ;)

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Originally Posted by Bobarkinator

So you put your faith in humankind that they will find a solution. I put my faith in Jesus Christ because for me, that is the solution. The way I see it, it's almost a principle of parsimony kind of thing. I see two options. Wait out on humankind to get a solution, or go with the easier option, that is their already is solution with God.

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So your a typical religious believer? You simply have to have an answer? You cannot just be in a state of not-knowing of how we came to be?

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Originally Posted by Torrent of Flame

So your a typical religious believer? You simply have to have an answer? You cannot just be in a state of not-knowing of how we came to be?

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I don't see why I would want to be in that state. If you want to call me a typical religious believer for seeking the right answer then go ahead.

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Originally Posted by Bobarkinator

I don't see why I would want to be in that state. If you want to call me a typical religious believer for seeking the right answer then go ahead.

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You're not seeking the right answer, you're seeking an answer that you would like to be true, but is only backed up by a book written almost 2 thousand years ago.

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Originally Posted by Bobarkinator

So you put your faith in humankind that they will find a solution. I put my faith in Jesus Christ because for me, that is the solution. The way I see it, it's almost a principle of parsimony kind of thing. I see two options. Wait out on humankind to get a solution, or go with the easier option, that is their already is solution with God.

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i would like to make it perfectly clear that you dont need to put your faith in the scientific method in general life, faith is only needed for answering deep questions about our origins.


also you may want to consider that there is a difference between something that is easy and something that is right.

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Originally Posted by bullzeye95

You're not seeking the right answer, you're seeking an answer that you would like to be true, but is only backed up by a book written almost 2 thousand years ago.

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Only in the same sense that you would like your answer to be true.

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Originally Posted by Yakman

i would like to make it perfectly clear that you dont need to put your faith in the scientific method in general life, faith is only needed for answering deep questions about our origins.


also you may want to consider that there is a difference between something that is easy and something that is right.

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I think you do need to put faith in the scientific method. I wouldn't believe that it works if I didn't have faith.

Yes their is a difference between something easy and something right. I just really don't see why people make things complicated.

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Originally Posted by Bobarkinator

Only in the same sense that you would like your answer to be true.



I think you do need to put faith in the scientific method. I wouldn't believe that it works if I didn't have faith.

Yes their is a difference between something easy and something right. I just really don't see why people make things complicated.

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Because theres no point in believing in something because its easy, or because it makes you feel good to think it's true

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Originally Posted by Torrent of Flame

There is suffering because Eve ate the forbidden apple.

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Erm wasn't it Adam hence Adam's apple.

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Originally Posted by Torrent of Flame

1 + 1 = 2, so maths = correct, science works in conjunction with maths, which is correct, which means science is correct.

And like I said earlier, why are there so many non-believers if God is all-powerful? God cannot be perfect, for if he was perfect everyone would believe in him.


EDIT: Pure, how do you mean contradictions? I assume you mean that of the bible, and the bible states God exists, but you cannot base God existing on the bible.

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Because people are not thought about God and they don't believe that they will help them in anyway. But if you say the phrase " Oh my God" when some happened or "Oh god yes! Yes please more" when your having sex, you belive in god.

torrent of flame,
your 1+1 argument doesnt make any sense. I dont think its even necessary to explain the extremely flawed rationale behind the absurd conclusion you have come to with that border line retarded statement...

There is absolutely no point in arguing over this because none of you asshats even have the vaguest resemblance of a coherent argument. The fact of the matter is, we are here and none of you can prove from which method or means we have arisen.

I cannot rest my laurels in science because the same group of people that are telling you CO2 emissions is causing drastic climate change (it has nothing to do with the number of sunspots like the mini ice age in the 17th century because of almost no magnetic activity on the surface of the sun) are telling you that we arose from random chance and a primordial soup of amino acids.

Not only does that not make any sense but its completely asinine. To make a judgment like that and for it to have any semblance of a rational conclusion, you must have solid evidence stating that well, it can happen. That evidence could be perhaps it happening again, by intelligent means. Scientists cannot recreate this "phenomena" what makes you think blind luck could do it? Even if they could recreate the phenomena, it only proves that intelligence was needed

We cant even explore the bottom of our own oceans, what makes you think we can make an accurate conclusion about something that happened "millions" of years ago?

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Originally Posted by rogue poser

There is absolutely no point in arguing over this because none of you asshats even have the vaguest resemblance of a coherent argument. The fact of the matter is, we are here and none of you can prove from which method or means we have arisen.

I cannot rest my laurels in science because the same group of people that are telling you CO2 emissions is causing drastic climate change (it has nothing to do with the number of sunspots like the mini ice age in the 17th century because of almost no magnetic activity on the surface of the sun) are telling you that we arose from random chance and a primordial soup of amino acids.

Not only does that not make any sense but its completely asinine. To make a judgment like that and for it to have any semblance of a rational conclusion, you must have solid evidence stating that well, it can happen. That evidence could be perhaps it happening again, by intelligent means. Scientists cannot recreate this "phenomena" what makes you think blind luck could do it? Even if they could recreate the phenomena, it only proves that intelligence was needed

We cant even explore the bottom of our own oceans, what makes you think we can make an accurate conclusion about something that happened "millions" of years ago?

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There are massive amounts of evidence that all life as we know it came to its current form through a process of evolution by natural selection.
If you dont believe me I can copy/paste some evidence I posted before.


there is also pretty strong evidence that carbon dioxide causes a greenhouse effect which causes climate change, but thats a subject for another thread.


Isnt it ironic that you dont trust science, yet science made that computer you are using to post this from. Science made everything you use in your normal life including things you dont even know about. Without science you be lucky to live to 20 years of age.

I bet that whenever you are ill, you go to a doctor who tries to cure you. Well he or she got their knowledge and understanding from science.

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Originally Posted by Yakman

There are massive amounts of evidence that all life as we know it came to its current form through a process of evolution by natural selection.
If you dont believe me I can copy/paste some evidence I posted before.


there is also pretty strong evidence that carbon dioxide causes a greenhouse effect which causes climate change, but thats a subject for another thread.


Isnt it ironic that you dont trust science, yet science made that computer you are using to post this from. Science made everything you use in your normal life including things you dont even know about. Without science you be lucky to live to 20 years of age.

I bet that whenever you are ill, you go to a doctor who tries to cure you. Well he or she got their knowledge and understanding from science.

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There is no irrefutable empirical evidence that evolution is true. period.

for one second lets look at the most basic life. single celled organisms. The bacterial flagellum is more efficient than the most complex combustion engine. It can rotate at 100,000 RPMs and stop and spin the opposite direction at the same speed, in an instant. It is powered by chemical flow within a single celled organism, 0 emissions....

But that is just random chance. silly me, the most efficient engine on the planet spontaneously came into existence... Just as well the most complex computer (your brain) is a product of random chance, damn seems so logical! now i understand where your coming from...