SCAR => Important

Hey, ok so here's the thing, I've been inactive for quite a bit, and picking up has been fun *sarcasm* Seems like problems just keep piling up... But anyway, here's the thing... SCAR 3.20 obviously still has a nice deal of issues to be fixed, so there's 2 options for me and I'll let this community decide how I will proceed.

Either I fix 3.20 or I immediately start work on SCAR 4 which is a complete rewrite, it will probably take a tad-bit longer, but I'll be releasing plenty of pre-release versions.


SCAR 4 will support everything from pre-initiated variables to user defined classes. It'll also contain entire systems for includes and what not to be downloaded from the server where users can add their own includes and stuff like that, support for scripts with include dependencies... It'll have a new plugin system which will be far more extensive, also allow GUI plugins to add tools to SCAR and such.

So I'll leave it up to you.

I see it this way...

If SCAR 3.20d's rs_GetUpText work after they re-set the fonts, then go ahead
and go SCAR 4, If not, do a quickfix before going there ;)

Hmm, I can't choose I voted SCAR 4 Though :p.
The Team Script Comp. is going to die, if you do.

I only have one issue, the idea was to develop SCAR 4 using CodeGear RAD studio 2009 to offer full support for Vista, Windows 7, Unicode, ... But I never managed to get my hands on a license... So if I start on Delphi 7, I'll end up getting causing the same problem I have now which is that I can't port the thing to a higher version because the stuff I used isn't compatible

SCAR 4 ftw ;).

Edit: Can't you get that rad thing through 'other means :p'?

I say fix 3.20...because otherwise won't the issues in 3.20 be ported to 4?

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Originally Posted by Da 0wner

SCAR 4 ftw ;).

Edit: Can't you get that rad thing through 'other means :p'?

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So far every copy I've had managed to figure out it wasn't licensed and died on me... And I'd really like to release the end product with a licensed copy, but I guess I could do that when I get to it

Hmmm.. I vote SCAR 4, then I might have a nice surprise when I get back from holidays :)

Are you going to fix all the bugs in SCAR 3.20d in SCAR 4?

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Originally Posted by Crazydictator

I say fix 3.20...because otherwise won't the issues in 3.20 be ported to 4?

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SCAR 4 is a rewrite, so practically all code will be rewritten, the code that will be ported will be tested very extensively so no bugs stay behind, like the new bitmap routines in SCAR 3.20

Oh that's nice! About how long would you estimate it would take to get 3.20 done, and 4? I think that would help people decide :D

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Originally Posted by Crazydictator

Oh that's nice! About how long would you estimate it would take to get 3.20 done, and 4? I think that would help people decide :D

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I really have no clue, it'll be a huge amount of code in both Delphi and PHP, but I'll be releasing alpha and beta versions really soon so it can already be used even though it's not really done yet

I can code PHP if you need some help =D. I've coded many scripts/sites in the past.

It would be best to get a working version first. AKA 3.21. When that's done, you could work on 4.
What if Firefox broke and instead of fixing it, they started making a new version?

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Originally Posted by Wizzup?

It would be best to get a working version first. AKA 3.21. When that's done, you could work on 4.
What if Firefox broke and instead of fixing it, they started making a new version?

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I wouldn't mind, new versions are shiney :norris:
Hmm, well as I said, I leave it up to you guys, I'll go with the flow...

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Originally Posted by Wizzup?

It would be best to get a working version first. AKA 3.21. When that's done, you could work on 4.
What if Firefox broke and instead of fixing it, they started making a new version?

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Exactly what I thought..that's why I was asking for a timeframe, if 4 was only a day longer than maybe it would be alright. :P

My vote goes to...

..for fixing the current problems first. :p

In my opinion, it is just so much more important thing to do right now

I voted for scar 4, the features you summed up sound really exiting :). Good luck on it!

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Originally Posted by Crazydictator

Exactly what I thought..that's why I was asking for a timeframe, if 4 was only a day longer than maybe it would be alright. :P

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+1.

Freddercakes D:

Freddy:
W p q broken @ Rs_GetUpText.
Rest is working fine, as I can see for now.

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Originally Posted by Freddy1990

I only have one issue, the idea was to develop SCAR 4 using CodeGear RAD studio 2009 to offer full support for Vista, Windows 7, Unicode, ... But I never managed to get my hands on a license... So if I start on Delphi 7, I'll end up getting causing the same problem I have now which is that I can't port the thing to a higher version because the stuff I used isn't compatible

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How much do you need to buy it? I might help :) donate :)

i voted scar4 but iv changed my mind, i think fixing existing problems is probably thebest way.

Scar 4....

but i have a question with your V3.20, since the forums are down i'll ask you here.

SCAR Code:

Procedure Playit;
var
  M: TMusic;
begin
  M:= CreateMusicPlayer;
  M.LoadFromFile(AppPath + 'Tickyy_includes\Tickyy.mp3');
  M.Play(false);
  Wait(6000);
end;

Is anything wrong with that, well if not then... why do i always get this error when i run the script twice:

[Runtime Error] : Exception: [TMusic Error | Code: 14] in line 202 in script C:\.......

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Originally Posted by Wizzup?

It would be best to get a working version first. AKA 3.21. When that's done, you could work on 4.
What if Firefox broke and instead of fixing it, they started making a new version?

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Internet explorer?

SCAR 4.

I think you should fix the current version, then really go all out on SCAR 4, and not having to worry about SCAR 3.20 problems.

Just my opinion. :)

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Originally Posted by Simtoon

How much do you need to buy it? I might help :) donate :)

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I've decided I'll probably not need Architect which is the version I had up in my donations list, the professional version of RAD studio would cost me €125, well Delphi 2009 Pro is €107, but you know, €18 diff to get C++ builder, Delphi Prism, etc... Delphi Prism will let me use Mono and if you know what Mono does you know what that could mean :cool: Might not do it for SCAR though as my script engine probably isn't Mono-compatible seeing Mono is a .NET implementation

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Originally Posted by Tickyy

Scar 4....

but i have a question with your V3.20, since the forums are down i'll ask you here.

SCAR Code:

Procedure Playit;
var
  M: TMusic;
begin
  M:= CreateMusicPlayer;
  M.LoadFromFile(AppPath + 'Tickyy_includes\Tickyy.mp3');
  M.Play(false);
  Wait(6000);
end;

Is anything wrong with that, well if not then... why do i always get this error when i run the script twice:

[Runtime Error] : Exception: [TMusic Error | Code: 14] in line 202 in script C:\.......

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I'll check that

Fix 3.20, if 3.20 isn't working then we can't test and use scripts while 4 is being worked on, and I'm sure 4 will take longer since it's a complete re-write as apposed to a few fixes in an already written version.

scar 4 but a fix for 3.20 would be nice

i say start on 4. since the fonts are gonna be switched back and we've been autoing on 3.20 for a while, we can wait a bit longer :P

I think bugs in 3.20d are so minor that you should just start a new version from the very beginning.

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Originally Posted by N1ke!

Freddy:
W p q broken @ Rs_GetUpText.
Rest is working fine, as I can see for now.

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They changed that to stop the penis thing :p

If you start 4.0, the scripting comp will be ruined

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Originally Posted by marpis

I think bugs in 3.20d are so minor that you should just start a new version from the very beginning.

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Broken fonts and rs_GetUpText aren't minor.

i say 4
3.20 is working perfectly fine for me

~shut

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Originally Posted by ZephyrsFury

Broken fonts and rs_GetUpText aren't minor.

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didnt mod emilee say that they where gonna go back to the original font? i saw a quote somewhere

I'd like a quickfix for 3.20 ( CountBitmap, FindTransparentBitmap ...).

For 4.0 I'd wish a Reverse Bitmap and Color Finding, Like the Normal one, but that it starts at the bottom right, with the same speed of the usual "FindColor,Bitmap".. That Would be totally amazing :D.

~caused

yea she did, I saw a link to the thread, but I heard on the forums today that they switched back to the originial fonts but not all the fonts work, they have small changes. I don't know for sure if it's true, just what I remember reading, I think that the fonts should be updated first though. And Rs_GetUpText like ZephyrsFury said.

For everyone that saying SCAR 4.0 might want to re-think..

They set the fonts back, but they still changed some..
Do you really want to go with a broken IsUpText(rs_GetUpText) function until he releases a new version?.

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Freddy, even tho SCAR 4 wins, I hope you use common sense and release a quick fix of SCAR 3.20...

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Originally Posted by N1ke!

For everyone that saying SCAR 4.0 might want to re-think..

The set the fonts back, but they still changed some..
Do you really want to go with a broken IsUpText(rs_GetUpText) function until he releases a new version?.

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Freddy, even tho SCAR 4 wins, I hope you use common sense and release a quick fix of SCAR 3.20...

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I was never planning on completely dropping 3.20, just not focusing all of my efforts there anymore

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Originally Posted by Shuttleu

i say 4
3.20 is working perfectly fine for me

~shut

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We're not all good enough to fix everything ourselves ;)

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Originally Posted by Freddy1990

I was never planning on completely dropping 3.20, just not focusing all of my efforts there anymore

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Just saying, before going on SCAR 4, you should fix so SCAR 3.20 is use-able :p

Plus, SCAR 4 will most likely not be bug free at first.