How Does Scar move the Mouse?

Hey.

Simple Question. What functions does scar use, to move the mouse. Something from the windows API ?.

It obvioulsy doesnt use the mouse driver :(...

~caused

SCAR uses kernel level functions to replace the old mouse position with the new, desired one. (MoveMouse(x, y)).

We have mouse functions (Mouse, MMouse, etc.) so that it looks like a human is moving the mouse; otherwise, the mouse would teleport across the screen; that would not be good. ;)

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Macro_FTW

SCAR uses kernel level functions to replace the old mouse position with the new, desired one. (MoveMouse(x, y)).

We have mouse functions (Mouse, MMouse, etc.) so that it looks like a human is moving the mouse; otherwise, the mouse would teleport across the screen; that would not be good. ;)

---

cool, thats why it is so fast =).

Though it's detectable :(.. GameGuard and such are able to succesfully detect and block all those functions : [...


~caused

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by caused

cool, thats why it is so fast =).

Though it's detectable :(.. GameGuard and such are able to succesfully detect and block all those functions : [...


~caused

---

Are you sure? SCAR has never been detectable for me. :/

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Macro_FTW

Are you sure? SCAR has never been detectable for me. :/

---

100% :(.

GameGuard also Blocks AutoIt.. But i think i may have found a way with autoit.

Try games like "Flyff" or "Gunz" .. if you want to check it out for yourself ;)...

If you want to move the mouse on the client window, the mousecursor just stops before it can enter the window.


I Think it might be possible, that runescape detects the Mouse Functions in the same way gameguard does.
Though it cant block the input, because the java applet cant access system ressources like GameGuard can.

Hmn.. What do you guys think :O?

~caused

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by caused

100% :(.

GameGuard also Blocks AutoIt.. But i think i may have found a way with autoit.

Try games like "Flyff" or "Gunz" .. if you want to check it out for yourself ;)...

If you want to move the mouse on the client window, the mousecursor just stops before it can enter the window.


I Think it might be possible, that runescape detects the Mouse Functions in the same way gameguard does.
Though it cant block the input, because the java applet cant access system ressources like GameGuard can.

Hmn.. What do you guys think :O?

~caused

---

If they could detect that, all bots would be banned. ;)

SetCursorPos() would work.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/libr...94(VS.85).aspx

They CAN detect your mouse movements, but they can't check all the 10000000* 1000000 mouse movements on the second :D.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Hermen

They CAN detect your mouse movements, but they can't check all the 10000000* 1000000 mouse movements on the second :D.

---

But they- RuneScape, at least- can't check whether the movements are coming from an actual MOUSE, or if they're coming from a program controlling the mouse.

Not to mention that mousekeys is allowed in RuneScape. So actual players don't use the mouse 100% of the time. ;)

~Macro_FTW

scar mouse isn't that fast lol?
you can change the speed by MouseSpeed=12; or w/e you want i usually put it on 7-9

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by ~~Joker~~

scar mouse isn't that fast lol?
you can change the speed by MouseSpeed=12; or w/e you want i usually put it on 7-9

---

That's SRL's mouse. SCAR's `mouse' is a simple mouse `Warp'.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Wizzup?

That's SRL's mouse. SCAR's `mouse' is a simple mouse `Warp'.

---

ah i got you lol
woops my bad.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Macro_FTW

But they- RuneScape, at least- can't check whether the movements are coming from an actual MOUSE, or if they're coming from a program controlling the mouse.

---

I'm actually not sure about that..

Quote:

---

If they could detect that, all bots would be banned.

---

They obviously cant check all accounts all the time.


___
Gotta try SetCursorPos() :D. Thanks Wizzup. Though it probably wont work :'D...

~caused

why can you no just move the mouse instantly to the place and wait however long to click? its much cooler and they shouldnt be able to call that botting since the equivalent would be possible on a tablet.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Dan Cardin

why can you no just move the mouse instantly to the place and wait however long to click? its much cooler and they shouldnt be able to call that botting since the equivalent would be possible on a tablet.

---

But with a tablet you never instantly warp to the correct position. ;)

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Wizzup?

But with a tablet you never instantly warp to the correct position. ;)

---

What if you lift the pen so it looses contact with the board, and then place the pen at the new position?

the same with a touch screen cpu. i think this was discussed already ;)

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by caused

I Think it might be possible, that runescape detects the Mouse Functions in the same way gameguard does.
Though it cant block the input, because the java applet cant access system ressources like GameGuard can.

Hmn.. What do you guys think :O?

~caused

---

What GameGuard does can't be replicated in pure Java. It hooks all of the standard mouse/keyboard manipulating calls. In order for Java to do that, you'd have to rely on JNI and use some other language to do the hooking. And then you wouldn't be able to run Runescape on any operating system.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by EvilChicken!

What if you lift the pen so it looses contact with the board, and then place the pen at the new position?

---

Then you get exactly what I just explained. :)

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by senrath

What GameGuard does can't be replicated in pure Java. It hooks all of the standard mouse/keyboard manipulating calls. In order for Java to do that, you'd have to rely on JNI and use some other language to do the hooking. And then you wouldn't be able to run Runescape on any operating system.

---

Maybe it cant block the input.. But maybe it can detect it ?_?... I have no idea .. havnt been much into java programming, though i wouldnt say that it's impossible.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by caused

Maybe it cant block the input.. But maybe it can detect it ?_?... I have no idea .. havnt been much into java programming, though i wouldnt say that it's impossible.

---

Without relying on JNI, Java cannot tell the difference between you physically moving your mouse, and SCAR moving it for you.

And the chances of jagex using JNI, are very limited, since they want runescape to run for everybody. They're knowledge base has support for Windows and Mac but not Linux!

i as just about to make a thread like this because i have a question.... so ok about scar warping the mouse....it doesn't warp it it just moves it at light speed right? therefore making it seem teleported? but that's not what i was going to ask.

so game gaurd and all those other game blockers well specifically xtrap it doesn't block the movement of the mouse but it does block the clicking of the mouse. now in previous cases i though i had overcome this using "silent mouse" which was present in the previous versions of scar. (not sure though). when silent mouse wouldn't work i tried holdmouse instead of clickmouse [oh its not a srl based script and humanoid like countermeasures aren't required] which did work for another thing i was testing scar on, but not this one. so:

does anyone know another way of clicking in scar? because not only does it block click from the client (window specified) but also outside it. [however i tried that when client started at 0,0....maybe should have tried higher so i can click a negative number.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Wizzup?

SetCursorPos() would work.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/libr...94(VS.85).aspx

---

oh i happen to notice this. do all the functions on this website work in scar? if they do, why arent they in the scar help file?

Those Fucntions probably wont work with gameguard.

GameGuard (gamemon) does also Block mouse movement.

MoveMouse "Warps" the mouse.

~caused

// We would need a function that would send something to the mousdriver to generate click xD...

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Ouivile

i as just about to make a thread like this because i have a question.... so ok about scar warping the mouse....it doesn't warp it it just moves it at light speed right? therefore making it seem teleported? but that's not what i was going to ask.

so game gaurd and all those other game blockers well specifically xtrap it doesn't block the movement of the mouse but it does block the clicking of the mouse. now in previous cases i though i had overcome this using "silent mouse" which was present in the previous versions of scar. (not sure though). when silent mouse wouldn't work i tried holdmouse instead of clickmouse [oh its not a srl based script and humanoid like countermeasures aren't required] which did work for another thing i was testing scar on, but not this one. so:

does anyone know another way of clicking in scar? because not only does it block click from the client (window specified) but also outside it. [however i tried that when client started at 0,0....maybe should have tried higher so i can click a negative number.



oh i happen to notice this. do all the functions on this website work in scar? if they do, why arent they in the scar help file?

---

The Windows API call DOES zap the mouse to a certain position, and scar uses the Windows API.

Other way of clicking would be using PostMessage from the Windows API, this way you can create your own Silent Mouse. ( http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/libr...44(VS.85).aspx )