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I need to bring this up, its been bugging me since reflection came out. All you people who don't use reflection because "its to easy" sound like my grandma who won't use a computer because it to easy. We gave you the best tools, and turn them down. How about you don't use Mouse because it to easy? What about FindNormalRandoms? There both one line. Those are both to easy for you guys. Maybe make your own?

If you haven't noticed we're the slowest bot, we need to show everyone how strong this community is when we pull out the good stuff instead of hiding in our caves.

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Originally Posted by MylesMadness

I need to bring this up, its been bugging me since reflection came out. All you people who don't use reflection because "its to easy" sound like my grandma who won't use a computer because it to easy. We gave you the best tools, and turn them down. How about you don't use Mouse because it to easy? What about FindNormalRandoms? There both one line. Those are both to easy for you guys. Maybe make your own?

If you haven't noticed were the slowest bot, we need to show everyone how strong this community is when we pull out the good stuff instead of hiding in our caves.

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It's not about easy or hard, its about challenging what we know, making new in-roads, solving problems, learning new things. We do it not because it is easy but because it is challenging. You feel proud, with the end-product, be it color or reflection

were - we're.
SRL's not meant to attract that much attention, that's extremely counter-productive to what we do:

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To blend in among fellow players, cloaked and in disguise; without anybody noticing or rejecting our presence.

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Srl makes it to easy, make an entire script without srl. All your points you guys have can be countered by the fact you use srl.

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Originally Posted by MylesMadness

Srl makes it to easy, make an entire script without srl. All your points you guys have can be countered by the fact you use srl.

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Read my post. I am neither on one side or the other, I was just referring to the front page.

I agree with Myles, we can still be the best community, and have a really easy to script bot with it. Some people just like the "old-skool" feel.

If you want reflection, then there are plenty of other bots out there that do that.
SRL is not a bot or a script, but a community of skilled scripters. You do not get skilled scripters if the extent of what they have to do is call one line and be guaranteed an accurate result for every possible situation - SRL does not guarantee you will get from A to B, it does not guarantee you will find the object you wish. I honestly think this is a great community, because it's encouraging many people (dare I say children?) to take on a tough, mental challenge and enjoy it regardless of the outcome. I also strongly believe that it sets in place many important skills for actual programming and problem solving skills as well.

My second view is that reflection is counter productive to one of SRL's main belief of a leecherless environment. With people being able to churn out any script with great ease compared to colour, there should be no shortage of scripts and so no encouragement for people to learn to script. Some people still will, but not many. Not only that, but a large amount of working scripts would only encourage people from other communities to stream over too, but not to contribute. Sure, more people are good, but I would prefer 10 new people a week that actually at least tempted to learn to script rather than 1000 new people a week who want scripts.

Who said reflection is faster than color?
Anyway, if anyone should use reflection then the script making part isn't interesting anymore because I am sure I could at least make one script a day.
I just use my multi-player general main-loop implant walking do some banking do some this some that. Done.
If you like to use reflection I do not care you are still a good scripter, and it might be even a better choice.

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Originally Posted by mixster

If you want reflection, then there are plenty of other bots out there that do that.
SRL is not a bot or a script, but a community of skilled scripters. You do not get skilled scripters if the extent of what they have to do is call one line and be guaranteed an accurate result for every possible situation - SRL does not guarantee you will get from A to B, it does not guarantee you will find the object you wish. I honestly think this is a great community, because it's encouraging many people (dare I say children?) to take on a tough, mental challenge and enjoy it regardless of the outcome. I also strongly believe that it sets in place many important skills for actual programming and problem solving skills as well.

My second view is that reflection is counter productive to one of SRL's main belief of a leecherless environment. With people being able to churn out any script with great ease compared to colour, there should be no shortage of scripts and so no encouragement for people to learn to script. Some people still will, but not many. Not only that, but a large amount of working scripts would only encourage people from other communities to stream over too, but not to contribute. Sure, more people are good, but I would prefer 10 new people a week that actually at least tempted to learn to script rather than 1000 new people a week who want scripts.

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You have just spoken from my heart. That was even good to read. Rep+
And I think I am one of that new ones who wants to learn. I have already learned a lot, solved a bunch of problems alone and with the help of this great community. I'm not realy a children tho :).

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Originally Posted by Hermen

Who said reflection is faster than color?

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It is

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Originally Posted by MylesMadness

It is

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Actually colour is more efficient, but reflection is probably faster in game because its more accurate.

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Originally Posted by MylesMadness

I need to bring this up, its been bugging me since reflection came out. All you people who don't use reflection because "its to easy" sound like my grandma who won't use a computer because it to easy. We gave you the best tools, and turn them down. How about you don't use Mouse because it to easy? What about FindNormalRandoms? There both one line. Those are both to easy for you guys. Maybe make your own?

If you haven't noticed we're the slowest bot, we need to show everyone how strong this community is when we pull out the good stuff instead of hiding in our caves.

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Cool story, Bro.It's the scripter's choice for how they do there own work. Color can work just as good as reflection. So either way it shouldn't really matter to you. And, you can make you're own script if it bugs you so much.

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Originally Posted by MylesMadness

If you haven't noticed we're the slowest bot, we need to show everyone how strong this community is when we pull out the good stuff instead of hiding in our caves.

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If you haven't noticed, all of those "fast bots" burn and die after half a year or so... Aside from SCAR, neXus is the only other cheat for RS with a decent track record...

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Originally Posted by Freddy1990

If you haven't noticed, all of those "fast bots" burn and die after half a year or so... Aside from SCAR, neXus is the only other cheat for RS with a decent track record...

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Yeah, because there abused. Nexus and Scar don't get abused. So if we move to reflection we wouldn't be more abused then we already are.

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Originally Posted by MylesMadness

Yeah, because there abused. Nexus and Scar don't get abused. So if we move to reflection we would be more abused then we already are.

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What? Being abused is a good thing??

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Originally Posted by NaumanAkhlaQ

What? Being abused is a good thing??

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Wouldn't. Typo

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Originally Posted by Freddy1990

If you haven't noticed, all of those "fast bots" burn and die after half a year or so... Aside from SCAR, neXus is the only other cheat for RS with a decent track record...

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And look at that SCAR and neXus are both color scriptable bots. Is this a coincidence?, I don't think so. SCAR and neXus are still around because there takes a little bit of thinking and more challenge to make something close to perfect... which in return makes more dedicated scripters/member in the community

If people want to use reflection NOTHING is stopping them. Method keeps the hooks up-to-date pretty much hours within any update. The reflection include is developing at a constant rate.

I honestly don't see the point in this thread...

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Originally Posted by HyperSecret

And look at that SCAR and neXus are both color scriptable bots. Is this a coincidence?, I don't think so.

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Both offer the capabilities to use reflection, and from what I've seen that's the dominant form of scripting over at RSCheata.

Nexus is not being 'raped'?
You must be kidding me.

im not on either side, but i have some points.

color: its fun, and challenging to script with. if you do it well it would be a good script. if i want to script for the fun of it, and efficiency doesnt really matter, i would go with color

reflection: its more efficiant, and if i wanted a script that would be more flawless, i would use reflection.

Why do you care if other people don't use reflection? It's your choice to use it or not.

SRL doesn't make scripting easy, it makes it possible. It gives the tools to build really great autos for Runescape. This is still called srl-forums, not reflection-forums. My choice to use SRL instead of reflection does not affect you, so why do you care?

I think what Myles is trying to say is that using reflection would benefit the community as a whole more than color could. That's mainly because, in almost every aspect except a select few, reflection is more efficient, more accurate, etc. than color. Now if you want to make a complicated script, and don't want to use reflection because it's too short/simple, why not make a huge script, such as an AIO script? That would be challenging enough to give you that good feeling of making something great at the end, and it would benefit the community much more than your flawless one location miner.

Another thing - is Color really that much more complex than reflection? I don't have much say in this, seeing as I've never created a working fully color script, but from my early learning days I felt like I was collecting data much longer than I was actually scripting. Now that makes me feel as if this 'complexity' is just those hours of making tons of (D)DTMs, getting radians for RRW, setting up TPAs, etc. Correct me if I'm missing some huge point...

Just throwing this out there - Which breaks more often, Color or Reflection?

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Originally Posted by Richard

Actually colour is more efficient, but reflection is probably faster in game because its more accurate.

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So searching the whole client for specific arrangement of colors with a tolerance is more efficient than hooking into runescape client and getting the exact coordinates of it through memory is more efficient?

Please, go on, I want to hear more.

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Originally Posted by Freddy1990

If you haven't noticed, all of those "fast bots" burn and die after half a year or so... Aside from SCAR, neXus is the only other cheat for RS with a decent track record...

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What were these 'fast bots'?

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Originally Posted by Feroc1ty

So searching the whole client for specific arrangement of colors with a tolerance is more efficient than hooking into runescape client and getting the exact coordinates of it through memory is more efficient?

Please, go on, I want to hear more.

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+1. Can't really think of anything that color could beat reflection at. Though from time to time when scripting I find that color does something better than reflection, but it's never a majorly significant part.

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Originally Posted by Method

Both offer the capabilities to use reflection, and from what I've seen that's the dominant form of scripting over at RSCheata.

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I know. Full reflection hasn't always been offered over at RSCheata either afaik. I know they ALWAYS did the tile walking via reflection but everything else was used via color, IIRC...lately I believe ruler has been implementing reflection to do everything, or has been for a little while now...

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Originally Posted by Runescapian aka Tad

What were these 'fast bots'?

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Even though I haven't been playing RuneScape (nor cheating in it) for years and years by now... I have (every now and then) been viewing discussions about current "cheating trends" int it...

There has been at least these bots/tools, that have died within time/due to RuneScape updates, while SCAR has been a huge "survivor":

AutoRune
SBoT
ReiBot
RuneBot
Ares
Aryan
ARGA
Bender
RSDemon

..and PLENTY of others really (yes, during all that time SCAR has been alive & doing very well!).

+ SCAR is one of the only macros that has been/can be used for other games/purposes... ..and that by the way, is a fact.

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Originally Posted by Runescapian aka Tad

I think what Myles is trying to say is that using reflection would benefit the community as a whole more than color could. That's mainly because, in almost every aspect except a select few, reflection is more efficient, more accurate, etc. than color. Now if you want to make a complicated script, and don't want to use reflection because it's too short/simple, why not make a huge script, such as an AIO script? That would be challenging enough to give you that good feeling of making something great at the end, and it would benefit the community much more than your flawless one location miner.

Another thing - is Color really that much more complex than reflection? I don't have much say in this, seeing as I've never created a working fully color script, but from my early learning days I felt like I was collecting data much longer than I was actually scripting. Now that makes me feel as if this 'complexity' is just those hours of making tons of (D)DTMs, getting radians for RRW, setting up TPAs, etc. Correct me if I'm missing some huge point...

Just throwing this out there - Which breaks more often, Color or Reflection?

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Exactly.

Also, the update that happened could have been fixed so much faster if srl used reflection.

And as of right now. If Method were to leave for a month and runescape updated the day after he left, reflection would be broken for over a month unless someone went and got the hooks from a different bot.

afaik he is the only one who has a fully working updater here on SRL.

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Originally Posted by MylesMadness

Yeah, because there abused. Nexus and Scar don't get abused. So if we move to reflection we wouldn't be more abused then we already are.

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Hmm, that's actually the point I was making...

Though I have nothing against reflection really...

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Originally Posted by HyperSecret

And as of right now. If Method were to leave for a month and runescape updated the day after he left, reflection would be broken for over a month unless someone went and got the hooks from a different bot.

afaik he is the only one who has a fully working updater here on SRL.

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I am working on the ultimate updater as a side project, but atm I'm too busy to resume development...

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Originally Posted by Freddy1990

I am working on the ultimate updater as a side project, but atm I'm too busy to resume development...

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"Ultimate updater"? What exactly does this consist of? :confused:

I really don't see why anyone has a need to complain. You can use just SCAR if you want. You can use SCAR and SRL if you want. You can use SCAR and SRL and reflection if you want. You can use SCAR and your own include if you want (which could be a version of SRL with as many functions replaced with reflection as possible). You can use a mixture. You can contribute color code. You can contribute reflection code. You can contribute both. The SRL and Reflection SVNs are free to access, free to modify. If you don't like something, change it.

Scar will always be awesome, cause its not only bound to runescape :'D...

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Originally Posted by Boreas

I really don't see why anyone has a need to complain. You can use just SCAR if you want. You can use SCAR and SRL if you want. You can use SCAR and SRL and reflection if you want. You can use SCAR and your own include if you want (which could be a version of SRL with as many functions replaced with reflection as possible). You can use a mixture. You can contribute color code. You can contribute reflection code. You can contribute both. The SRL and Reflection SVNs are free to access, free to modify. If you don't like something, change it.

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Its not just reflection only though. Like today there was a discussion about proggys and how people still are making there own instead of using srl's. Its everything that this is happening to.

It's in SCAR for 3.20- and it's in SRL for 3.20+.

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Originally Posted by Runescapian aka Tad

What were these 'fast bots'?



+1. Can't really think of anything that color could beat reflection at. Though from time to time when scripting I find that color does something better than reflection, but it's never a majorly significant part.

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Simple Object Finding. ( Something like Flax )

And for thread: Everyone uses what uses :)

~Home

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Originally Posted by Home

Simple Object Finding. ( Something like Flax )

~Home

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Even there I'd say reflection is better. I'm not sure about speed, but if mining is anything like flax, I'd say reflection is instant in figuring out whether something is present or not, as far as I can see. Not to mention with Reflection you can do some tile checks and end up getting the closest object, whereas with color it's possible, but not nearly as reliable. As for efficiency, it's definitely more likely for a dynamic color check to fail than a static ID check.

personally I think that as soon as an updater is posted publically, I will start using reflection more.

T~M

Well right now... were not even updated correctly. We barely have new scripts made, just look at the scripts section. The scripting activity has reached a new low. Im not even sure if SRL is updated to work with the new update? Its gotten to the point were im now using rsbot over scar despite how much I hate it. Its just much more faster and efficient. To me scar is dieng, and rsbot is taking over seeing as jagex cant find a way to kill rsbot completely.

Reflection is actually an awesome special gift, given to SRL. It gives us cheaters a whole new dimension in cheating. It gives us stuff color cant do. Of course we all like challenges... Were not saying to quit color in anyway. Reflection lets us get into the runescape client, and use it. Cmon it has been there ever since Jagex made runescape.

New comers aways choose rsbot over scar cause its easier to leach now days.

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Originally Posted by kingarabian

It gives us stuff color cant do.

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When you play the game, do you play by looking at the screen? Yes? Then color can do it. It's not a problem of what color can and can't do, it's a problem of whether or not the scripters are creative, smart, and willing enough to attempt it.

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Originally Posted by bullzeye95

When you play the game, do you play by looking at the screen? Yes? Then color can do it. It's not a problem of what color can and can't do, it's a problem of whether or not the scripters are creative, smart, and willing enough to attempt it.

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Sorry, but that is just not true.

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Originally Posted by mormonman

Sorry, but that is just not true.

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If it's not true, then tell me how your brain interprets the game. Is it not through colors?