Originally Posted by
Yakman
I've done exactly that and googled "9/11 fraud". The first result was a blog that was mostly made up of youtube videos. The bits that were not videos were totally unsuppported. (they didnt cite their sources, so for all I know, they could have made it up)
I should mention that I have a deep distrust of videos. Evidence of this kind should be presented in a paper or book and should appeal to academic audiences as they have the expertise to scrutinise it effectivly. This is very similar to how creationists cant publish their work in a proper scientific journal, so they publish it on websites or popularising books that are aimed at the general public. In other words, its propaganda.
Oh really? I think I know more then you think.
Its a very difficult challenge to convince someone to kill themself for your cause, but religion that job so much easier.
Could we get some otherwise normal humans and somehow persuade them that they are not going to die as a consequence of flying a plane smack into a skyscraper? If only! Nobody is that stupid, but how about this - it's a long shot, but it just might work. Given that they are certainly going to die, couldn't we sucker them into believing that they are going to come to life again afterwards? Don't be daft! No, listen, it might work. Offer them a fast track to a Great Oasis in the Sky, cooled by everlasting fountains. Harps and wings wouldn't appeal to the sort of young men we need, so tell them there's a special martyr's reward of 72 virgin brides, guaranteed eager and exclusive.
Would they fall for it? Yes, testosterone-sodden young men too unattractive to get a woman in this world might be desperate enough to go for 72 private virgins in the next.
Islam teaches that you'll survive your own death, that is what allowed the hijackers to fly the plane into the skyscraper, because they believed they wouldnt die! Islam was the source of the hijackers courage.
Islam teaches the dangerous nonsense that death is not the end.
Of course, Islam contradicts itself and also teaches nice things like peace and learning. Most of the muslims in the world ignore the nasty things and just follow the nice ones.
It came from religion. Religion is also, of course, the underlying source of the divisiveness in the Middle East which motivated the use of this deadly weapon in the first place. But that is another story and not my concern here. My concern here is with the weapon itself. To fill a world with religion, or religions of the Abrahamic kind, is like littering the streets with loaded guns. Do not be surprised if they are used.
That is not how logic and reason work.
If theres two conflicting viewpoints with no evidence for either of them, the truth does not have to lie somewhere in the middle.
Because you the conspiracy theorists have made the claim, the burden of evidence is on you.
"the necessity of evidence always lies with the person who lays charges."
There is no reason to believe in anything which has no evidence, so I will not believe in the 9/11 fraud hypothesis.
(However, I've asked kingarabian if he can provide me with evidence, so if he does I may change my mind in the future)
Well this is very intresting, the whole point of a debate is to convince people that you're point of view is correct. But here you're saying that convincing people doesnt matter and that you're not going to try to convince me?
Maybe I've misinterpreted your words, but to me that sounds like an admision of defeat.
America a democracy with a free press. Any such lie like this would be found out by reporters, they would sell much more copies if they found it out so it is in their intrests.
Another part of your conspiracy theory is that there is no freedom of press, which is something else I simply cannot believe as the effects of that would be obvious (The western world becomes a dictatorship)
Of course governments lie about stuff like lowering taxes, and they 'lie' about national security issues, but lying about 9/11 is in a completely different league.
