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xelfarcherdv
They might be putting religion over freedom of speech, but does that give them a right to openly violate another country's laws?
They aren't violating another country's laws at all - the Muslim countries as a whole were putting pressure and rioting in their own countries, which isn't breaking Danish laws to my knowledge
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No it doesn't. It shows that they lack respect for another country's laws and their citizens. And it makes me respect you a lot less if you are happy that a someone tried to murder another person.
See above - not breaking laws. I didn't say I was happy about the murder - I specifically said I was happy that they would express such outrage against one of the Western civilisations most basic freedoms, showing that the world isn't run by fear.
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Apparently, what you can't understand is that murder/attemptive murder is a BIG deal! Yes, the horrid situations that slavery brought about was a HUGE injustice, but attemptive murder is also a HUGE injustice, even if it is just one person being targeted.
One murder isn't big. The US murders a lot of people who are under criminal charges. Not to mention that this topic is primarily about the Muslim countries trying to prevent freedom of speech rather than the murder itself. Even including the murder, if you say that one attempted murder is anything at all close to slavery where countless black people died being transported, being worked for their lives and killed when they tried to escape and the like, then you have you a very messed up moral compass.
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uhh... plz explain this claim further
Every few years you get to vote for who leads, but in between they make all the decisions. Someone famous said it somewhere.
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So you are saying that it is the governments fault for this attemptive murder? Government is here to help. Sometimes it fails, but it is here to try to protect. If there weren't any scum that tried to murder others, this protection aspect of government would not even be needed. Its like a famous person having one body guard. One night, an assassin gets passed the body guard w/o the guard realising it. The assassin almost kills its target, but the target escapes. You are saying it is the guards fault that the assassin decided to try and kill the famous person. Do not try passing on the blame to a party that is only trying to help.
I never said it was their fault for the attempted murder, but for the oppression of the cartoonists freedom of speech. You seriously need to stop assuming all my points are regarding the murder.
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So ignorance is ok? If they put their religion before everything else (well, atleast important things like our freedoms, and respect for others), and they don't know how to "calmly share their opinions," what does that say about their religion?
It says nothing about their religion, it says about their society. Stop discriminating regarding religion - I even later acknowledged that I didn't know of any Muslims in western countries who violently protested. I also didn't say whether or not it was wrong or right - my morality doesn't cover other people and I'm not prepared to judge a large amount of people I don't know. As far as I'm concerned, they can put religion before whatever they want because it's their choice, not mine.
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MINOR??? If someone tried to kill you, would you think it was a minor issue!? What if you found out that they tried to kill you for something LEGAL you did?
I don't think the thing that would most annoy me was that it was for something legal, more so that I was attempted to be killed. Either way, I'm no so self centered that I would think it was a great injustice if it happened. There are much worse things happening every second in the world compared to my near death.
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A Muslim tries to murder another human because of freedoms. A Muslim leader supports the other Muslim. You are happy that the situation occured. This thread did not convince me that Islam is against freedoms, you did.
I'm (a little) happy that the Muslim leader expressed a contradicting view so strongly against a Western civilisations key belief. Not at one point did I say that I was happy nearly get killed. You are making pretty stupid assumptions now and it's somewhat annoying. I also don't think you get the point of debates if I convinced you of something I wasn't arguing for.
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That whole war started because of 9/11. Whose to blame for that? Terrorists, that happened to be Muslim. Did the cartoons fly a plane into world renoun structures killing many people? No, so do not compair the two because they are totally different. One was a defensive reaction and the other was an offensive reaction.
I'm sorry to shock you, but not that many people died. More people die every year from committing suicide or homicides. I would also say that many people are skeptical about the authenticity of 9/11 and it's Muslim extremist origin. On top of that, that they were Muslim had nothing to do with it - it was that they believed Iraq had weapons of mass destruction and/or that the supposed Muslim extremist groups had roots in Iraq. I also see why it's defensive in regards to 9/11 when it was highly unlikely that the attack from from Iraq under Iraqi orders or the like as I've never heard anything to suggest that.
