Yes, but that still needs hooks from the RS client, which is exactly what reflection needsQuote:
Originally Posted by mormonman
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Yes, but that still needs hooks from the RS client, which is exactly what reflection needsQuote:
Originally Posted by mormonman
Exactly and without his hooks in the 1st place, there wouldnt be any reflection, until method came.Quote:
Originally Posted by cycrosism
On a more serious note.....Quote:
Originally Posted by kingarabian
Seems like most of the main questions and concerns have been answered, everyone new READ THROUGH THE ENTIRE THREAD before saying things and bringing up arguments that have already been taken care of!
I'm pretty happy this thread exists, lots of great points from both sides of the spectrum and everything in between. A great thread (if summarized and organized) for all new comers to read and learn from to know what everyone is all about!
Updating hooks is pretty easy. It's the function that has to be fixed. Jagex has removed some fields so now someone has to find new ways to do things.Quote:
Originally Posted by gn8771
J_Pizzle and I are attempting to fix reflection atm. The thing that we are stuck on is fixing TileToMS and TileToMM. Once those functions have been fixed, it should be a breeze to fix everything else.
Why dont we just update the hooks for reflection then? Or get them from quarterz?
Because that is not what we need. We need some of the mathematical calculations we haven't yet been able to find.Quote:
Originally Posted by cycrosism
~RM
I do not understand one thing, you say that you don't have the time, but still, you prefer to script in an outdated manner which require much more time ... why?
If that was partially referring to my post, what I meant is that methaforically ice hockey players don't forcibly have to try and play football...Quote:
Originally Posted by IceFire908
Also whoever posted about not supporting OpenGL, I wouldn't be surprised if OpenGL became more supported over here than reflection did, OpenGL can be something SRL came up with first (thanks to Silentwolf naturally)...
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Originally Posted by 3Garrett3
- Crack team? I don't call one person a team.
- SCAR 2.03 wasn't shit, it was pretty good.
You don't have to believe shit. However, I would prefer it if you would at least dig a bit into the subjects you're relentlessly flaming.
There are already over 20 Simba testers, and SRL seems to work quite well with it, even though it lacks some functionality. Simba's debugging system has also helped us fix some bugs in SRL already.
It doesn't cost much more time. Plus, I'm doing this for fun, I don't cheat just so that I can hump runescape pixels.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cartmann
Maybe you're right, maybe you're touchy about the subject or some shit. Knowing you, you're probably right. I personally know nothing about Simba, all I know is that it's open source SCAR, and that you are making it rather than Freddy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wizzup?
Moreover, I wasn't relentlessly flaming. This is an opinionated thread, and I am entitled to write an overly opinionated post if I want. It doesn't make me more right or less right or more wrong, or however you'd look at it, but as I've said, I'm aware that I know nothing about the inner workings of SRL, and since I was away for 3 months, I only know what I think, and nothing else. I'm not going to sift through 3 months of posts to find all of the information and shit about Simba, as I really don't care about it. I just shared my opinion to clear anything up for people who were wondering about anything that I mentioned.
There is several people working on Simba, not only WizzupQuote:
Originally Posted by 3Garrett3
I found the formulas its jsut amatter of figureing out the instances of the classes nowQuote:
Originally Posted by Rasta Magician
If you are talking about the "formulas" in rsbot then you didn't find them :duh:Quote:
Originally Posted by J_Pizzle
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Originally Posted by mormonman
he said that we didnt ahve the formulas which we do I may have used a bad choice of words there but none the less we still ahve the formulas
As to this thread: Same shit, different pileQuote:
Originally Posted by J_Pizzle
As to you: GJ :)
~RM
I agree
I script in SCAR with SRL to make Runescape bots for solely benefits, and as far as I'm concerned, this is a community based on botting with the SCAR client in Runescape, no?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wizzup?
Then why would you on purpose use an outdated method to complicate it?
As to Yohojo:
Well, scripting with JAVA might be an ease to create a auto miner, IMO that's a good thing, seeing as you are able to raise your bars from a 3 clicking script.
I already noted that you did it solely for benefits, hence my remark about it. Do you even realize that SCAR was never made for reflection?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cartmann
I presume everybody bots for solely benefits? I haven't seen any users giving away free accounts or rsgp yet, and I've been here for some time now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wizzup?
Please don't get me wrong because of my colour, I do understand that SCAR wasn't made for reflection but the procedure language Pascal, but that doesn't mean you don't have to use it, seeing as it seems that reflection performs task "better"(more precise and faster) than colour, aye?
If I was here for benefits, I would ask you to pay for SRL.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cartmann
I've botted a lot, and it was never really for the profit. JageX kinda killed that anyway...
Does it perform better? I haven't seen any working scripts in a long time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cartmann
When it works, it does have somewhat better possibilities...Quote:
Originally Posted by Wizzup?
As some scripts can't be made with color, we both know that.
The real problem is this is just a collection of individuals, not an organization. The true solution is to make this into a "programming army" and assign each member a task he has to complete if he wants to remain part of the organization.
And if that happens, each worker bee will contribute his own little bit of pollen, not enough to stand on his own, but once the queen assembles the component parts, then you have a kick ass script.
Here's what I would do if I was boss:
1. Find out who is really contributing to the site. Eliminate those who don't contribute.
2. Assign ranks as trainee, programmer, advanced programmer, and manger.
3. Pick a project, for instance a farming script.
4. Assign a collection of people to make the script.
5. A team of three or four would be responsible for walking/teleporting between farming sites.
6. Another team would be responsible for the raking/prepping/fertilizing.
7. Another team would be responsible for a routine which fills the compost bin.
8. Another team would be responsible for checking/maintaining/plant cure/amulet of nature.
9. Another team would be responsible for harvesting and banking.
10. You would need to replicate the process between different types of farming patches.
So if each team had three members, and each team has a week to come up with their one function or module, then in a week the manager would have all the raw components finished. All he would have to do is assemble them into the main loop. Repeat every week and soon you would have dozens of scripts.
This hypothetical farming script would take five teams of three members, or 15 members, plus one or two managers. Managers would keep the teams on task and focused on the end result without getting sidetracked.
So in a week 17 people could assemble a kick ass farming script. That is the way REAL BUSINESSES WORK! If we need to defeat Jagex, which has 5 million dollars income every month and a staff of 400, we need to quit acting like "L33T hakerzzzz" 12 year olds and get organized.
Organization is the key. Right now there are two or three people who are carrying 75% of the weight, and that's not right. Of course, part of this may be paranoia on their part but I'm not qualified to comment on that. If they read this they will know who they are. Maybe those folks need to open the blinds a bit and let other people see what they are doing or they will burn out and the whole SCAR/SRL will collapse like a house of cards. Just my humble opinion.
JIM
Hmm... I have been running my own scar script that makes me 1m/hr with no problems :) But I have to agree that reflection is way easier for walking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Camaro'
Rsbot has failed many randoms for me. Like last time my account had been sitting 5 hours in random event logged on. Pretty much bannable right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Camaro'
It's a brilliant plan which would very likely work if developers were paid. As they're not, you can only expect them to do as much as they feel like doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by jimthesoundman
~RM
Indeed, that's a great idea, but personally as soon as I am requested to be paid(or anyone else for developing scripts) I would leave. Money corrupts communities and that's why I love being here. This is a true community.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rasta Magician
You have some good points. We plan to reorganize SRL and get things to roll again soon. Simba is just the first step.Quote:
Originally Posted by jimthesoundman
Nvm. it's pointless to even bother.
I may be the only one, but if the idea becomes "Do this work in this timeframe, or get out", I will be choosing the getting out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wizzup?
SRL is a community, not a business. I'm personally not here to "Beat jagex" or whatever. But as I've said, I may be the only one. I wouldn't mind hearing the opinions of others on the subject, whether they are for or against either doing work or getting kicked out.
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by 3Garrett3
I like the way things are right now within the community. There are things like POMS if you want to do stuff like that in a group, but you can still make your own script, and if you don't, no one yells at you. I didn't release a script until about a week ago since I got members, and that was great. I didn't have the time for it, and once i got the time, I ended up making, not one, but two scripts. If I was kicked out for not releasing/helping, I would not want to come back if I was allowed. If it was like that when i came, I would have just thought 'to hell with it' and closed that tab.
I do not like that at all. What about the members of the community that dont have runescape memebers? What about the people that have contributed in the past, but are no longer active. Are you going to cut them out as well?Quote:
Originally Posted by jimthesoundman
SRL is about learning. Not about producing an awesome runescape script. Sure, a script can be thrown in there, but we are a group of thousands of people from around the world, that come together to learn and help one another.
We are not a machine.
We do not produce, produce and produce, but work together (just less organized than your ideal method).
Again, if you had been following recent development you had seen that Simba is close to reality; which means we can then make the next step. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by 3Garrett3
Seems very communist/dictatorial-like, if you ask me. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by jimthesoundman
I, personally, don't have much against actual communism (the communism that Marx and whoever the co-author was envisioned), but I'm sure most people wouldn't prefer it. And I see quite a few major flaws.
1. This is the Internet. We've no way of making sure people are doing their work; they can simply just stop, which may lead to more people abruptly stopping their work, resulting in a domino effect.
2. You cannot force people to go on their computers and script. This is not a job, business, or anything similar. This, again, is the Internet. People may come and go as they please.
3. Persons contributing to a single script (and the managers) have other, possibly paying, jobs and responsibilities that will be more important to him than cheating in a game for teenagers.
4. Not every part of the script would go together. For example, walking/teleporting may interfere with banking, as one has to be called for the other to work, which could throw off the already made procedures/functions, thus making that teams work useless and a waste of time.
I could think of some more, but I think you get the point. ;)
Nothing wrong with the idea, but I fear that you've forgotten to take human nature into the equation.
What does that have to do with anything he said? He was talking about SRL turning into what was posted by jim, nothing to do with SIMBA.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wizzup?
Just sayin'.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lion_King#Plot
I think you will find that SCAR IS the problem.
I am too lazy to quote people but:
Why should color be eliminated, even a little bit??
Color has lasted this community a long time. Eliminating color and focusing only on reflection would go against everything SRL stands for. For quite some time, SRL + Scar has been the best bot, despite RsBot's existence. So when you argue with each other, don't bring up RsBot, we're not here to compete with them. But, we all know SCAR has been a big epic failure, recently. That's why I refrain from scripting in that program. SCAR is a problem. But I wouldn't say the biggest problem. SRL has been lacking a LOT lately. The anti randoms especially.
Also, I would like to point out, we have very few autoers compared to what we used to have. But the scripts are still coming, I simply think we need more advertising of the SRL community. I don't know how other bots get so much attention, but I know we don't.
Reflection is good, but remember people, Reflection is not part of SRL.
Anyways, that's my point of view on the situation. Feel free to criticize :)
Edit: Another reason why I don't post scripts is because it sucks when nobody gives progress reports. I remember when Tad released his 3p1c AIO fisher and their were BARELY anybody using the script. That was a perfectly good script going to waste :(
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-from griff's link : "Scar pretends to leave but turns to attack Simba, resulting in a final duel. Simba triumphs over his uncle by flipping him over a low cliff. Scar survives the fall but finds himself surrounded by the now-resentful hyenas, who attack and devour him."
Looks like SCAR is the coward aka the problem
hmm i wonder who the hyenas are *cough* {/offtopic}
The reason SRL doesn't have such a large user base is because, as brought up all throughout this thread, SRL does not focus on botting and raping Runescape. Most other botting communities do. Because SRL is not focused on such things, the quantity and variety of scripts and the effectiveness of SRL (or SCAR, as some of you might argue) itself is not up to par with other bots, and so not many people are drawn to here unless they're the type that wishes to learn to program and/or have an enjoyable (<- depends on the person) intellectual activity to participate in, rather than just rape RS or receive profit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smarter Child
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I completely disagree, as I find this to be 100% accurate:Quote:
Originally Posted by Smarter Child
Prove me wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by IceFire908
Yes it doesQuote:
Originally Posted by Tad
That's taken out of context. What I meant by my post was that SRL values programming challenges more than raping RS.Quote:
Originally Posted by cycrosism
@IceFire
I guess it's opinion, but IMO, having half of the randoms working about half the time or less (I'm assuming that that would apply to the faded green and below, correct me if I'm wrong), wouldn't be too efficient.
A fair comparison to make would be that the people here would rather cut down a tree by hitting it repeatedly with a log instead of using a chain saw. It requires more skill and use of "advanced techniques" to get the exact same job done with the log, so they find it more fun.
Personally, I'd rather just chainsaw it, but I'm not going to force my opinion upon others. Let people decide whether they want to get the job done well, or feel good about how they attempted to get the job done.