How to prevent being banned?

Recently 3 of my Elite-Player where banned. Now, this is not a problem at all, but it rizes the question of Jag's Banning Mechanisms. I am 100% convinced that these bannings where all performed entirely automatic. I have never been reported by any human, I am sure, I check every log on keywords. Suspicion raised sometimes yes, but oddly enough never reported. I am simply not long enough online with my Players.

So, what parameters gives them away? Is it:

• unnatural mousemovements
  the mouse regularly goes kinda wild on FindObj' s or IdleTime
  
• repetition and timing
  Walking the same path, doing the same thing, over and over again in the same amount of time.
  
• human daytime/nighttime rhythm
  My Players play at the strangest hours. They lack human rhythm.
  
• restricted vocabulary
  They talk allright (SRL private stuff), but only 200 words :)
  
• Behaviour
  What do my Players actually do in RS? Are they having any fun? Or, are they merely always at work, performing the same trick over and over again?
  

Any other params I might have missed out on?


Now, what can we do about these?

Some random thoughts:

- Restrict mouse movements. Prohibit the mouse from going wild over the screen. (I tried that with the Cow Killer)
- Guided random movements. Sorta "exploring" its surroundings (remember RandomRightClick?)
- Brownian mouse movements. I use a pen. With a pen, the mouse is almost always in movement.
- Pause Function. Pauses our guy for some time, rotates screen, responds for a while, emotes, etc...
- Scheduler. Remember Mutant's RSCI-Scheduler? That was an intelligent thought. Add Players.[Schedule[1]] to PlayerArray. Contains valid times for Player. PlayerManager?
- Intelligent Responder with better vocabulary. Language = rules, so it can be imitated. Plenty algorhythms around on the net.
- Run these tasks as a seperate thread.
- more variation in scripts.


Since RS is such an incredible slow game, there is lots of time left to perform a lot of randomized tasks.

Give my your input please...

Every point is totally correct. If we could avoid 50% of them surely the total of bans would decrease.

yes i agree i think there should be an edit in some scripts to make random mouse movements

the easiest for them to detect i would think is mouse. i never use benmouse because its too slow. no human alching would move that slow. If automatic banning is the case, i doubt its repeated procedures unless they land within 5% of a standard every time. Ie: 1,5 2,6 1,7 2,5 would be suspect i would think.... i really dont think they would check what you were doing. I have a few moderator friends, they ban people when someone tells them "these people have been at the fishing guild all last night and they dont talk and follow same path"

our solutions, errors, random returns to bank and switch clothing ( sounds like a great idea), random talk to person on your friends list, once per script rearrange a few things in your bank. IE: switch 6 and 7. grab 15, wait a few seconds, then trade with 3. If automatic banning is becoming a problem, we need to address it. but its something i'm sure we can handle

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Originally Posted by WT-Fakawi

Recently 3 of my Elite-Player where banned. Now, this is not a problem at all, but it rizes the question of Jag's Banning Mechanisms. I am 100% convinced that these bannings where all performed entirely automatic. I have never been reported by any human, I am sure, I check every log on keywords. Suspicion raised sometimes yes, but oddly enough never reported. I am simply not long enough online with my Players.

So, what parameters gives them away? Is it:

• unnatural mousemovements
  the mouse regularly goes kinda wild on FindObj' s or IdleTime
  
• repetition and timing
  Walking the same path, doing the same thing, over and over again in the same amount of time.
  
• human daytime/nighttime rhythm
  My Players play at the strangest hours. They lack human rhythm.
  
• restricted vocabulary
  They talk allright (SRL private stuff), but only 200 words :)
  
• Behaviour
  What do my Players actually do in RS? Are they having any fun? Or, are they merely always at work, performing the same trick over and over again?
  

Any other params I might have missed out on?


Now, what can we do about these?

Some random thoughts:

- Restrict mouse movements. Prohibit the mouse from going wild over the screen. (I tried that with the Cow Killer)
- Guided random movements. Sorta "exploring" its surroundings (remember RandomRightClick?)
- Brownian mouse movements. I use a pen. With a pen, the mouse is almost always in movement.
- Pause Function. Pauses our guy for some time, rotates screen, responds for a while, emotes, etc...
- Scheduler. Remember Mutant's RSCI-Scheduler? That was an intelligent thought. Add Players.[Schedule[1]] to PlayerArray. Contains valid times for Player. PlayerManager?
- Intelligent Responder with better vocabulary. Language = rules, so it can be imitated. Plenty algorhythms around on the net.
- Run these tasks as a seperate thread.
- more variation in scripts.


Since RS is such an incredible slow game, there is lots of time left to perform a lot of randomized tasks.

Give my your input please...

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unnatural mousemovements <- That is the worse, watch it, it will move in a semi straght line to the next then without stopping a random direction, very un-human. It should have a curve.

repetition and timing <- I like to randomize my autoers(example, 6 ess miners, 1 each night starting at diffrent times, then next few days crafting the ess, then next few days combat training, ect)

restricted vocabulary <- I'm trying to make a talkbacker but meh, too lazy :)

Behaviour <- This play's a large part, as on a diffrent thread(I'll get a link), his idea will totally blow the unnatural working out of the water. :)

Bring back RSN's mouse movements.

maybe we could get chat to readfrom a wordlist?

There is alot, and i mean alot of ways to stay undetectable. I had like 10 Aryan users for a couple months with skills over 70+ none of them were banned.

I don't use SCAR, but I used it once and got 85 minning without ban.

:) but I am not interested in sharing my leet information here right now. It's leet information that alot of people don't know kthx <3


btw, this thing you cant discuss in public. get a team of leet people -- yes we had that ..before.. and discuss this there.

Okay. Im not sure the main causes of bannage. I just know that the mousemovements may be "random" but there just not human. humans are jerky and over shoot. they dont move in nice almost strait lines, there speed isnt a small range. i know when i play, when i wanna click on something, i click on it. i dont sorta slowly move the mouse. so what im saying is we gotta do something about the mouse movements. i say, take a video of urself playing rs (or watever) for 2 minutes (make sure u play the way u "normaly" would) and after just watch the mouse, its alot different then SCAR.

l8er

a week ago i was drop trading then some idiot lvl 3 with 89 wcing comes along and he says he reported me.. the next day i come to my comp and i try to sign on and both my lvl 94's were banned :( now im goign to hunt him down and get him banned for autoing.. i know he autos cause i seen him autoing and when i was going to pk by the vrrk east bank. JAGEX said that the 2 accoutns came into conflict..

Oooo, i'm working on the pause function. Got about half of it done, works pretty well:) I think it would lower quite a bit of ban's.(but then again, i'm not to smart:p )

lol timmy well if you dont want to get baned jsut dont auto =p

Also when we are autoing a skill e.g. Potato picker. lets have a look.

When we go to pick a "potato" the mouse moves over to the potato and clicks. while it is doing that action our mouse is just sitting there. if it was me I would move the mouse to the next potato and either right or left click "Pick" and when it is finshed i would click pick and repeat.

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Originally Posted by The Prince of Randomness

Also when we are autoing a skill e.g. Potato picker. lets have a look.

When we go to pick a "potato" the mouse moves over to the potato and clicks. while it is doing that action our mouse is just sitting there. if it was me I would move the mouse to the next potato and either right or left click "Pick" and when it is finshed i would click pick and repeat.

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Precisley(sp..?), or one habit that I have had is to check my stats, and hold my mouse over the stat I'm training to check xp :rolleyes:

Very good points, a lot of them could / will be:p made!!

Good thinking Fakawi!

yeh this stuff cud be useful sumtiems :)

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Tree that meerly depends on the Script, and what it's anti-ban features are.

If more than half of these points that Fakawi made were to be written and then used in scripts then there would be less percentage of being banned then there was without them.

But yes, when you always run a script it lacks the intelligence of a human in almost all areas; So there is always a risk of being banned. No doubt about that.

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Er, no. It's late at night and i can't sleep.

Since you failed to lack reading skills and keeping up to date i also posted that i would come here from time to time. Just not post anything related to Scar or Runescape. (Hense this, But it's not meerly information. Just remarks of the obvious..)

Use private scripts :D (i have feeling that i already said this once just don't know where :S)
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yeh using private scripts seemed to be gettign ppl banned less times :) once everyone starts to use it then everyone gets banned

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Originally Posted by torrent

yeh using private scripts seemed to be gettign ppl banned less times :) once everyone starts to use it then everyone gets banned

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Nope, jagex just gets there grubby little hands on them.

hmm ok ill take these comments into consideration ty!

Yeah since i started autoing(2005) things have changed! And while i was using Wizzup?'s miner there are a few things that need to be changed not just with the script with SRL

spend some time making a word list I.E hi,hiya,heya,hi ho ETC.

make some new procedures movehumanmouse moves mouse in a random direction(figure of 8 looks to see if any mates are online does a emote)

walks to bank takes some armour out wears it and then maybe kills some stuff

says time like OMG 1pm i gotta go to bed! bye everyone. then logs out to next player and does another procedure(I.E if chopping wood it will go and fish on a different character of course)

walks to varrock changes its style of clothes,buys some armour,arrows any other various stuff

says a specific person what is your "blah" lvl then says nice after they have said it and replys with yours

well if you think this is a good idea please say and could i help you all with this stuff? or just include my name with in the procedures=p

Offtopic: if anyone figures out how to move mouse humanly-randomly-smoothly within boundaries, or in a figure 8 pattern, please tell me!

I think we all need to start a new "SCAR" that has tons more procedures and commands for "human like movements" we just need to create a new "up-to date" scriptable program to compete with jagex's constantly evolving macro/bot detection.

Um thats called SRL.

About the talking part...

Why not just turn off Private/Public Chat and turn off trade? FagSex can't do shit 'bout that... And if they ask why you did it in a ban message, just say "I didn't want to be disturbed while I was working" etc.

I think you should get more wordlists... I saw one that was 11mb large.:eek: Also, you should make the mouse more human-like, with abit jerking movements because some mouse-pads are not so good. And I noticed the mouse speed in Wizzup?'s powerminer 3.07, I know you can change the speed, but the default is too slow for me... (I'm at least 2 mouse speeds faster).

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Originally Posted by Boreas

Offtopic: if anyone figures out how to move mouse humanly-randomly-smoothly within boundaries, or in a figure 8 pattern, please tell me!

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Ever tried deadmouse?

No, where is it?

It was posted on Mopar's site a while back...but some of it's function/variable names conflict with SRL, so I'll upload my modified one.

Looks cool, but I needed something that scans around if you know what I mean.

Ohhh...I see...

Wouldn't it be pretty hard to move the mouse in a figure 8?

Very hard. I can't figure out a formula for it.

Maybe a combination of spline curves and straight lines?

I drew a quick example (I'm using an ancient mouse, so the quality's not so great) http://noman.iam.googlepages.com/figure8.JPG

Yea I did that with 1/4 circles and straight lines, but it didn't look smooth.

In my opinion just have a really big army of autoers... I start to watch my players and once they seem to get randoms in about 20 minutes, I dont use them for about a week or so and its good to go. This is my personal though... but jagex's system seems to be pretty dam effective.

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Originally Posted by Tree

No matter what you run the chance of being banned.Say u have 10 accounts that are autoeing your ganna have 2.5 of them banned(No idea how jagex cuts us in half).So im saying 25 or more percent of your accounts will be banned.

You don't wan't to get banned,dont auto.

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I didn't get banned in 7 months..Still no ban.