Powerbot vs Scar

PowerBot is RSBot.org.

I have heard that Powerbot uses BCEL which is highly detectable, and RsBots.net uses reflection which is undetectable. Is this true? Is BCEL really a bad thing?

I have done noob scripting on Powerbot(I made a pretty flawless potato picker that picks potatoes and banks). Scripting for PowerBot is fairly easy, but it does has a challenge(at least for me). I plan on switching scripting to scar since I hope that it will handle randoms better and more efficiently. I have some questions. Is scripting for Scar more efficient and more smoother? Is scripting for Scar easier or harder than Powerbot? What are the advantages that Scar has over Powerbot?

How high is the ban rate for Scar? Is it lower than Powerbot's ban/reset rate(which is relatively high)?

What does Scar use to read information from RuneScape? Reflection?

What is SMART, and how does it work? How can I set up SMART in a script?

Can Scar handle combat scripts for things like killing Ghouls(Lvl 43), picking up Gold Charms, and banking when out of food? I have a PowerBot script that I leeched but have tweaked to the point where it does everything very efficiently. Except, of course, the randoms.

I need some reasons on why I should use and script for Scar over the other bots.


Oh, and what is Simba?

simba is almost the same as scar, but rsbots has awful scripter and their script can be very easily detectable.

Scar and simba can be learnt very easily if you just put some focus into it, the best part about scar is you can easily make your own very effective private scripts. However if you are looking for major scripts like soul war go to rsbots and just becareful or stick around and maybe there is scripts like that in srl memebrs section:P

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Originally Posted by Main Ftw

simba is almost the same as scar, but rsbots has awful scripter and their script can be very easily detectable.

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Stereotyping...they have some good scripters :p.

Simba is the new SRL community program. Is it like SCAR, but open source and honestly, more visually appearing.

SRL has no unwanted bans when used with a good script and proper botting times and following the golden rules.

BCEL is a bad thing, in a way and in some opinions, it is very bad. It is discussed a lot whether it is as bad as people make it out to be and Qauters actually posted on SRL saying that it is pretty obvious when used. To Jagex, at least.

Reflection is used by SRL if the person so chooses so. It is not just used by reseller websites like RSBots.net and such. SRL has potential for color and reflection and the reflection is constantly growing and quickly becoming greater than the Nexus include.

Simba does not read information on RuneScape, in a sense. When not used with reflection. It just loads SMART (Optional) and uses color. That is the beauty of it.

SMART is set up with "{$DEFINE SMART}" before {$i SRL/SRL.scar} in the right position on the script after getting the includes and such for it.

Simba can handle as much as Powerbot can. There is no real limitation to it. The only true limitation to it is the scripter's ability and desire to continue on the script.

Look at the first move in auto soulwar pro and you'll see what I mean. There are many others you can see within the first 10 minute, guaranteed.

Ok, so RsBots.net is horrible, but my main question is, why should I switch from scripting for PowerBot to scripting for Scar?

Look up:P I edited my first post.

I haven't heard about power bot but if its like rs bot. You can survive if you don't power it. But who knows what jagex has implemented in the past few days? :P

1. The community is far greater.
2. We are always willing to help you with your questions and problems.
3. PowerBot uses BCEL while we have capabilities for reflection and it is still extremely easy to use.
4. Simba relies on Pascal which is much simpler, in my opinion, than Java. But that is pure personal opinion. But do not let that fool you, of course. Simba is simple and easy to begin for anyone but in the later "Levels" of ability, it can get very complex but easy to learn.

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Originally Posted by dragx55

Ok, so RsBots.net is horrible, but my main question is, why should I switch from scripting for PowerBot to scripting for Scar?

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Right now, I feel pretty convinced that I should at least try out Scar. Thanks to everyone that answered my questions. If anyone has any more convincing reasons to switch to Scar from PowerBot, please feel free to post.

scar will

Never gonna give you up
Never gonna let you down
Never gonna run around and desert you
Never gonna make you cry
Never gonna say goodbye
Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you.

The symbol of scar has been around since the rsc days and we are still going strong. We are like microsoft and there are no apples in the macroing community:P

The main things in my opinion:

1. You can do whatever the hell you want with it. Aren't into rs anymore? No big deal: create a bot for your new game. You are not restricted to only creating bots for rs with this program. :D

2. If you choose to bot in rs, once again, Simba does not restrict you. You can choose to use reflection/color/both. When rs gets updated, guess what: our bots still work because they use color.

3. Very easy to learn if you are at least a decent programmer. Plus, if you do not fully understand something, we have a massive tut section.

If you are going to try out SCAR, please try out Simba. It is what SRL uses. You do not have to use Simba if you truly do not want to. But I simply suggest it.

As for more "Concrete" reasons, here they are:
I will assume you do not know what BCEL or reflection are exactly. If you do have some knowledge of these things, please excuse me. I do not mean to insult you, if I have.

BCEL - "Byte Code Engineering Library"
BCEL directly injects in to RuneScape to see and interact with the code of the game. This is extremely detectable and obvious to Jagex, especially since they are now doing roll backs and being more serious about taking control of the botting situation.

BCEL is commonly used by PowerBot, ArbiBot, EpicBot (I hate the owner of that website so much. Stupid *** he is.) and the many other ripoffs of PowerBot's client. Literally. They are just recolored and designed clients off of their client.

Reflection - Reflection is used by Nexus scripts (AKA: RSBots.net and etc. resellers.) -- They also use color, much like SRL does. So in a way, Nexus and SRL are not so much different in the way the client and such are. You should keep that in mind. Now on to how it is:
PS: I may actually be incorrect on reflection. I can't exactly remember how it is. So anyone feel free to correct me.

Reflection simply views the code of RuneScape and checks the variable types and etc. - Much like a human views the game itself. It does not directly interact with the code and all it does is view it. Making it not as detectable by Jagex as BCEL is. But I believe it still is detectable if Jagex truly want to see it.

Color - Color is one of the original methods of RuneScape botting. It is stable, secure and if used right, can be just as effective if not more effective than BCEL or reflection (Personal opinion alert!). Color does not "Break" every update like BCEL and reflection do. That is how it is stable. So unless Jagex dramatically changes something that the color script has to interact with, the color script will keep on going while the BCEL and reflection scripts are "Down".

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Now that the very basic and brief explanation of the three types of RuneScape "Autoing" are completed. I will go on to why SCAR / Simba are superior to Powerbot / Powerbot ripoffs / Nexus / Nexus resellers:

Simba has the potential to use reflection and color, like I said before. Much like Nexus has. Our reflection is updated as fast, if not faster than Nexus and is faster to update than Powerbot.

The community of SRL is far superior to most other RuneScape "Autoing" communities. We are very member oriented and we do not tolerate bad behavior. We also have a learning atmosphere that is welcoming to all. One does not even have to be a scripter to participate in our community. As long as one is kind and follows the rules, they are just as welcome as scripters are.

SRL has the lowest ban-rate out of any other RuneScape "Autoing" community. We have not been hit by any mass ban waves or anything of the sorts as long as the person followed the golden rules of autoing: http://villavu.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12

SRL's client, Simba, is open source and free to use. All of the scripts are free and none are ever sold. It is actually against the rules to sell scripts on this website.

Simba is easy to use, stable, secure and visually appealing. Why not try it out? Here is a link on how: http://villavu.com/forum/showthread.php?t=47714

SRL has its own client for autoing in. It is called "SMART", created by BenLand100. -- This removes the need to use your own mouse cursor to use the scripts. Also making multiple bots at one time very possible. Your computer is the limit in this case. The client is like SwiftKit's client in the sense that RuneScape simply "Reads" it as another external client.

SRL, Simba, color and reflection are constantly growing and improving.

SRL has its own literal community project of scripts. It is called MSI -- MSI is everyone and everyone is MSI. You can view it here: http://villavu.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=125

SRL has a very warm and opening community ready to help you with your progression in learning to script for SRL. You are never alone in your "Quest" to learn how to script.

SRL has a kind staff that is very forgiving and generous. You do not need to be "Intimidated" by them. That is a very wrong way to view them, actually!

There are many more reasons, but I feel this is enough for you. If you need more, simply ask.

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Originally Posted by dragx55

Right now, I feel pretty convinced that I should at least try out Scar. Thanks to everyone that answered my questions. If anyone has any more convincing reasons to switch to Scar from PowerBot, please feel free to post.

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Just a quick note (so that we can sound educated here at SRL):

There is no such thing as a 'BCEL' bot.
BCEL is simply a bytecode library used to search through (and modify in some cases) the runescape client. ASM is a similar thing.

So, our reflection uses BCEL to find hooks, and powerbot uses ASM to search for hooks AND inject into the client.

Powerbot is injection based, SMART is reflection based. We don't modify the client (as far as I know) whereas Powerbot does.

Edit: Oh, and as for why you should use SIMBA: You won't get banned if you're smart, and the community is a lot more helpful.

x[Warrior]x3500 is totally right as well.

Scar is also know for macroing for neopets and I used it for clubpenguin, mini flash game and conquer online (awsome for scar btw). I will also be using it for my engineering fundamentals final, in which I will use scar to monitor my web camera to count the number that my group's machine crushed.

Once you get into school, especially math, science or engineering, you can create functions to help you do your home work.
E.G)

SCAR Code:

//This function calculates the angle between two vectors in 3D
Procedure DPAngle(X1,Y1,Z1,X2,Y2,Z2 :Extended);
Begin
  Writeln('The angle is '+Inttostr(Round((180/(pi))*Arccos((X1*X2+Y1*Y2+Z1*Z2)/((Hypot(X1,Sqrt(Y1*Y1+Z1*Z1)))*(Hypot(X2,Sqrt(Y2*Y2+Z2*Z2)))))))+'.');
End;


//This function calculates the center of mass of an object in 2d
Procedure Centerofmass(A, MX, MY: Extended);
var
 X, Y: Extended;
Begin
  Cleardebug;
  Writeln('A is the Integral of the density function times FTop-FBottom from a to b');
  Writeln('MX is the Integral of the density function times  FTop^2-FBottom^2 from a to b');
  Writeln('MY is the Integral of the density function times  X(FTop-FBottom) from a to b');
  X:=Round(1000*MY/A)/1000;
  Y:=Round(1000*MX/(2*A))/1000;
  Writeln('The center of mass is located at ('+floattostr(X)+','+floattostr(Y)+').');
End;

If that doesn't convince you, check out this video. Infact, because of that video, jagex made a update where if you switch more than two items simultaneously your hits have a chance to miss.

(Just saying this straight and forward incase you(dragx55) don't know)
Simba is the program that interprets our pascal script. There are functions built into simba that we as a community use to emulate human rs playing. SRL is a huge include that has a ton of rs related functions in it. If you can script in color well, updates to rs will not break the script(unless of course you make a script for a specific location and that location after an update is completely redone.)

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Originally Posted by RISK

BCEL - "Byte Code Engineering Library"
BCEL directly injects in to RuneScape to see and interact with the code of the game. This is extremely detectable and obvious to Jagex, especially since they are now doing roll backs and being more serious about taking control of the botting situation.

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There's a difference between being detectable and being detected. Unless you have proof of the latter, it's silly to try to scare people away from using a certain type of bot because something "is detectable".

I was not trying to scare them away from using a bot. If they want to use it, they may. I am used to selling Nexus scripts for RSBot.com as their head administrator, so my way of explaining things may seem like I am trying to scare a person away from using something, but I truly am not. I listed the con of Powerbot.

While I have no proof that it is detected, I simply rely on the numbers of bans and resets that PowerBot has received. But you can not deny that it is detectable, if not detected.

Even if the bans are due to the "Level" of script(s) they are using, that number truly is terrifying.

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Originally Posted by Method

There's a difference between being detectable and being detected. Unless you have proof of the latter, it's silly to try to scare people away from using a certain type of bot because something "is detectable".

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RSBot actually uses ASM now.

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Originally Posted by RISK

I was not trying to scare them away from using a bot. If they want to use it, they may. I am used to selling Nexus scripts for RSBot.com as their head administrator, so my way of explaining things may seem like I am trying to scare a person away from using something, but I truly am not. I listed the con of Powerbot.

While I have no proof that it is detected, I simply rely on the numbers of bans and resets that PowerBot has received. But you can not deny that it is detectable, if not detected.

Even if the bans are due to the "Level" of script(s) they are using, that number truly is terrifying.

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Again, what proof do you have that bytecode injection is looked for and detected by the client? Claiming that the "number of bans and resets that PowerBot has received" is proof of the claim in question is silly.

Also, I did not deny that the client could check for things injected into it by a bot (like interfaces and accessor methods). I simply asked you to provide evidence that those things are in fact looked for by the client.

If you would like to continue this discussion, let's continue it in private messages. We are spamming this person's thread with useless posts. It is rude.

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Originally Posted by Method

Again, what proof do you have that bytecode injection is looked for and detected by the client? Claiming that the "number of bans and resets that PowerBot has received" is proof of the claim in question is silly.

Also, I did not deny that the client could check for things injected into it by a bot (like interfaces and accessor methods). I simply asked you to provide evidence that those things are in fact looked for by the client.

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Originally Posted by TRiLeZ

RSBot actually uses ASM now.

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I think the discussion is more focused on the injection part than the tools used to achieve it.

Method, either way Powerbot has a lot of bans. wether its from bad scripts, bad botting techniques the bot itself detectable, that place is likely to get you banned from my experiences and others.

Some people on Runeserver and on MITB (i think), pointed out the flaws and how easy it is to be potentialy detected by using Powerbot.

We don't know if the injection process causes a lot of bans or if its the community and its scripts. What we do know is that, that place has a lot of bans.

Thats my input. Also to get back on topic. You should definitely try out simba.

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Originally Posted by kingarabian

Method, either way Powerbot has a lot of bans. wether its from bad scripts, bad botting techniques the bot itself detectable, that place is likely to get you banned from my experiences and others.

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We don't know if the injection process causes a lot of bans or if its the community and its scripts. What we do know is that, that place has a lot of bans.

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I'm not sure what you're trying to argue here. Yes, people get banned using powerbot. It'd be ludicrous if nobody was banned. Trying to link those bans to some aspect of the program without knowing how Jagex's detection system works is silly, however.

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Originally Posted by kingarabian

Some people on Runeserver and on MITB (i think), pointed out the flaws and how easy it is to be potentialy detected by using Powerbot.

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Yes, it's obvious that it would be easy to detect any bytecode injection bot. I don't think anyone in this thread has disputed that.

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Originally Posted by kingarabian

Method, either way Powerbot has a lot of bans. wether its from bad scripts, bad botting techniques the bot itself detectable, that place is likely to get you banned from my experiences and others.

Some people on Runeserver and on MITB (i think), pointed out the flaws and how easy it is to be potentialy detected by using Powerbot.

We don't know if the injection process causes a lot of bans or if its the community and its scripts. What we do know is that, that place has a lot of bans.

Thats my input. Also to get back on topic. You should definitely try out simba.

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But what matters is the ratio of bans to users, not how many total bans it has.

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Originally Posted by Method

I'm not sure what you're trying to argue here. Yes, people get banned using powerbot. It'd be ludicrous if nobody was banned. Trying to link those bans to some aspect of the program without knowing how Jagex's detection system works is silly, however.

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Im just saying Powerbot has a lot more bans than any other bot I know. Also there is a possibility of it being a problem with the program. If its not the program then its the scripts.

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Originally Posted by kingarabian

Im just saying Powerbot has a lot more bans than any other bot I know. Also there is a possibility of it being a problem with the program. If its not the program then its the scripts.

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How many other bots do you know that have tens of thousands of users using them daily? The only other one I could see coming close is iBot, and I'm sure people using it are banned as well.

When considering how many people are banned, it's important to look at the ratio between bans and users (like pyroryan mentioned), not the raw number of bans.

Pascal is a fun language to learn. :)
It's nice and clean, the standards are easy to learn too. Understanding other people's code is very easy when everyone uses the same clean standards.
Also when you've learned pascal, you basically know delphi.

There may also be another reason. The reliability of RSBot means that people leave bots running for quite a while, often for days at a time. This, of course, leads to bans.

Injecting accessor methods into the client using BCEL isn' t as detectable as you may think. You just have to try and use as much of Jagex' s code as possible, and use as much information directly from your hook interfaces rather than the actual client classes. Reflection is still less detectable, obviously. I personally prefer PascalScript over Java when it comes to writing bots because Pascal is easier to read and easier to understand.

Powerbots Twitter Page:

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IMPORTANT: please dispute any Arbiter/ArbiBots scripts you have bought on PayPal as they contain keyloggers. Over 100 people hacked so far!

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^ Do you know if that includes free ArbiBots?

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Originally Posted by Rich

^ Do you know if that includes free ArbiBots?

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I have no idea, don't use powerbot. But I'm assuming if he keylogs his pay scripts he would probably keylog his regular scripts too.

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Originally Posted by YoHoJo

Powerbots Twitter Page:

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That's likely just propaganda from Paris designed to keep users away from ArbiBots and RSBuddy.

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Originally Posted by Method

That's likely just propaganda from Paris designed to keep users away from ArbiBots and RSBuddy.

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It is propaganda. People have decompiled them and there is nothing in there. He's just butthurt that jacmob is doing rsbuddy

Another good thing with rsbot, is that it support windows 7 home premium, witch SMART dont. witch is why i use rsbot, but scar for alot of other things not related to rs.

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Originally Posted by tom99

Another good thing with rsbot, is that it support windows 7 home premium, witch SMART dont. witch is why i use rsbot, but scar for alot of other things not related to rs.

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Are we using the same smart here? Works 100% fine for me...

I've got Windows 7 Home Premium and both SMART and RSBot work fine...

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Originally Posted by tom99

Another good thing with rsbot, is that it support windows 7 home premium, witch SMART dont. witch is why i use rsbot, but scar for alot of other things not related to rs.

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FUD, it works.

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Originally Posted by MylesMadness

Are we using the same smart here? Works 100% fine for me...

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It does ? if so do you think you could give me a copy of your include+plugin files. because for me it works in windows xp but not win 7 home, with the exactly same files.
And it could be something wrong with my os but that woud be a little strange because i have purchased win7 and i run system update once a week.

The ban rate is probably the same if you take into account the amount of people who use these programs, how long they run it for and the percentage of people who are banned