Omg i hate my teacher!!!

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by i luffs yeww

:/ Still seems a bit silly to me. I'm the same way; I love learning as much as I can about everything I can. But something pretty important to me is that I make sure I actually focus on useful stuff.

C/C++ are old languages but are still in use (C more so than C++). Why not learn those? And just because you know old languages doesn't mean you understand the logic behind them. I dunno.

---

Because I already have! LOL. Here's my programming history.

At 12 I started with Basic and TI-Basic for my TI-83 plus. Made math class much more fun and easier. Later that same year I got into HTML and Javascript. I became very proficient and I met up with another guy online that went under the alias MalAmen. Thoughout highschool I would write calculator programs to ease my mind during class and seminar. Later in 2005 we formed a mini programming group. It never really went anywhere but it inspired me. He was an Assembly programmer and would later teach me. We found some other people, and were working on our own compiler that would convert TI-Basic to ASM.

Our website was here http://dsmalamen.tripod.com/

we even started to write tutorials, since then mine has gone down. but MalAmen's intro to ASM is still up.

At 13 I focused on learning optimizing my TI-Basic because large games ran kind of slow and I learned a bit of Assembly. I began to improve on what I already knew, and learned about hardware.
At 14 I picked up on PHP and some PBasic for a robot my friend was making for a contest. PBasic is the version of Basic used by Parallax Microcontrollers. It was supposed to be a group project and he chose to do it alone and was falling behind. So I learned it and help him out while he was building.
15 yrs - I learned VB and C#, and I took a web design class in high school.
16 yrs - I was a big year because I learned Java, Pascal and some Python, mainly because my buddy whom I helped out on the robot suggested it to me. Later in the year I began to tinker around with C and C++.
17 yrs - I found this site, back then it was srl-forums and I learned PascalScript, well mainly just srl library. PascalScript just came to me as I had already learned PASCAL.
18 yrs - I began working on Web Applications and Database Languages like SQL. I learned Ruby and some PERL. As well as working at learning more about hardware and servicing computers. I was prepared to take my A+ Certification but some stuff came up and I had to use my $200 dollars elsewhere.

Since then I've been improving my programming abilities. I've focused on a wide range of things, and i'm always on the lookout for something new to me.

It's a good thing I wrote this out. Until now I hadn't thought to look for that old site, and now that I have I'm glad I did. Programming is my true passion. I love it. I could write programs all day and never tire.

I look back and I see my old heroes like Kerm Martian and when I first joined up here it was Wizzup. I remember his essence miner was the beast. It could run for weeks without messing up. Thanks guys, you just reminded me why I even started out doing this stuff.

It wasn't for the potential career or money. I was just a 12 yr old boy who wanted to learn as much as possible. K I'm going to sleep now. It's like midnight and tomorrow is a new day.

I'm in the same boat, except I never learned BASIC (kinda.. I kinda read through it and do some simple stuff but I've never like.. spent time learning) or PHP.

But until recently I've really never got into the logic behind programming and the kernel and hardware and all that. I also found this site when I was 12, not 17 (I'm 17 now). :p I think you're doing fine, probably, but there's nothing really saying you get the logic. Knowing the syntax is good, as well as libraries, but it's not enough to just know that in the industry, really. If you get the logic, though, syntax and libraries don't really factor in much, in my small amount of experience.

I dunno. :p I would like to talk to you sometime though. :)

Although your goal is to learn as much as you can, if you're 22 and want a job that has to do with programming, there's no use learning languages like COBOL or Fortran, unless you want to travel back in time through a mighty stargate to make use of your skills.

As I have previously said, change classes.

Been trying to stay out of this but just can't hold my tongue anymore. From her point of view you are coming across as an immature little jerk who thinks he is too good to follow the rules or even bother to show up for class. She is not going to do you any favors by giving you any more points than she absolutely has to.

If you ever want to work in this field you will at some point be forced to follow coding standards that you personally disagree with/think are stupid. Depending on where you are those standards may be vague and undefined but heaven help you if you violate them.

Knowing how to code and being able to do it decently are two separate things. I used to work with a guy who was absolutely brilliant, but his coding style sucked. I mean really sucked. Nobody else could understand his code because it was so bad. Making it work is only part of the equation. Making your code clean and understandable is just as important. Your teacher is trying to teach you that but you don't seem to be getting the message.

As for her skills possibly not being up to snuff: no different than a lot of the managers you wind up working for. Skills may not be be the great, although they think they are. Or they know it and are insecure because of it. Welcome to the real world bucky. Learn to "manage your manager" or in this case your teacher. Otherwise you are going to have a miserable frustrating career.

If you want to pass this class then man up and follow her standards, actually show up for class, and start acting like you actually give a damn. The results will astound you.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Bixby Sayz

Been trying to stay out of this but just can't hold my tongue anymore. From her point of view you are coming across as an immature little jerk who thinks he is too good to follow the rules or even bother to show up for class. She is not going to do you any favors by giving you any more points than she absolutely has to.

If you ever want to work in this field you will at some point be forced to follow coding standards that you personally disagree with/think are stupid. Depending on where you are those standards may be vague and undefined but heaven help you if you violate them.

Knowing how to code and being able to do it decently are two separate things. I used to work with a guy who was absolutely brilliant, but his coding style sucked. I mean really sucked. Nobody else could understand his code because it was so bad. Making it work is only part of the equation. Making your code clean and understandable is just as important. Your teacher is trying to teach you that but you don't seem to be getting the message.

As for her skills possibly not being up to snuff: no different than a lot of the managers you wind up working for. Skills may not be be the great, although they think they are. Or they know it and are insecure because of it. Welcome to the real world bucky. Learn to "manage your manager" or in this case your teacher. Otherwise you are going to have a miserable frustrating career.

If you want to pass this class then man up and follow her standards, actually show up for class, and start acting like you actually give a damn. The results will astound you.

---

+1

And Mistagnerd, it's not a good idea to post "conclusions" of someone on a public forum that you wouldn't say to a person's face. In the space of a few posts, you're close to blitzing your chances of ever getting work from a manager who has a different (and often desired) opinion from yours.

Like I have said two times already, CHANGE CLASSES, PROBLEM SOLVED

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by cycrosism

Like I have said two times already, CHANGE CLASSES, PROBLEM SOLVED

---

PROBLEM NOT SOLVED.

You can't just change jobs or change parents or friends or roommates etc. whenever you disagree with them, bro. Stupid idea to tell someone to do that with a teacher, which is essentially a manager in the real world.

come at me bro.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by i luffs yeww

PROBLEM NOT SOLVED.

You can't just change jobs or change parents or friends or roommates etc. whenever you disagree with them, bro. Stupid idea to tell someone to do that with a teacher, which is essentially a manager in the real world.

come at me bro.

---

We are not talking about family members, or an occupation, we are talking about classes in a school. And it is easy to change a class. Please stop comparing changing classes with other pointless things such as changing jobs. They are 2 completely seperate things

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by cycrosism

We are not talking about family members, or an occupation, we are talking about classes in a school. And it is easy to change a class. Please stop comparing changing classes with other pointless things such as changing jobs. They are 2 completely seperate things

---

The majority of computing school projects are aimed towards a made-up client, the teacher often fulfilling the role. This client gives you the brief on what they want produced depending on their requirements. I believe luff is trying to say that in the real world, you can't just nit pick at what your client (the manager) wants, they are the one paying you and how much depends on how well you have met their needs. It's a character building skill knowing when to just accept things that you don't think are necessarily correct, crucial when your job can be on the line.

As someone said, school is about setting you up for the real world. It is not all about intelligence, thus why these projects and these teachers are set up the way they are.