Friend is searched for homicide..

SRL..

Last night, the police came over to my place, they were 7. They were looking for one of my better friends, one I've known since I was 4. They looked in all the rooms and explained that my mate is searched for homicide.

They came over to my place because I was the last person he had phoned and he was supposed to come over for a drink (which he never did).

They said the police had proof of him being involved in a homocide.

I have to stay alert and warn them if he calls me or if he comes over..

Should I do it ? I've known him for twelve years now, and this certainly isn't anything like him.. I don't know what I should do..

Yeah, unless you live somewhere where the police are very corrupt you should turn him over. If he's innocent it'll be proven in trial.

Do you want to risk being trailed as an accomplice? I don't know your laws but you'd be in a lot of trouble if they found out you knew where he was and didn't turn it over.

How dissapointed wouldn't he be ? One of your best friends, someone you trust, someone you've lived alot with gives you away. I'd feel terrible and honestly do not want to do it..

Well you don't have much of a choice, and if he's a true friend he'll understand the position they're putting you in. You can speak up and defend him in court or whatever if you truly believe he's innocent, but the smart play for now is to do what the police told you.

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Originally Posted by Flight

Well you don't have much of a choice, and if he's a true friend he'll understand the position they're putting you in. You can speak up and defend him in court or whatever if you truly believe he's innocent, but the smart play for now is to do what the police told you.

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Imagine your brother or sister or someone very close to you is in the same situation as him.. Would you really do it expecting them to understand ?

I wouldn't be capable of doing such a thing :/
Dunno what would be better: suffer the consequences of helping a long term friend, or hand over to the police ..

~onilika

Just report it to the police and make sure your friend does not know you told them.

I'm stressed out.. More than I've ever been before.. If he contacts me I imagine he'll ask me to hide him or something of the like or explain the situation or worse : hide it all..

When the police say to report him if you see him just be like yeah yeah ok sure then never do it and say you never saw him. Also I would suggest not hanging out with him if you do come in contact with him because then they'll take you down as an accomplice.

You're obviously on their list of close contacts. What happens if you hide him and the police come back again? Then both your lives are ruined.

They know he called you before, they could find out if he calls you again. There's really no way for your to help conceal him without taking an enormous risk yourself. It's clearly a desperate situation, but a real fried wouldn't ask that of you. You need to consider that from both sides. You can't undo what has happened, and the ONLY way to handle this is to work with the police. It's not a choice, it's the only choice.

Edit: I just watched a documentary on credit card use last night, and they had horror stories from 30+ people. The one similarity is that they were all in some kind of desperate situation (lost a job, medical bills, divorce, etc), and made a bad decision that only made their bad situation much, much worse. Don't make the same mistake here.

F*** the Police! Oh wait no, what am i saying! I see that phrase so much on the internet I've started thinking it! :S

Back on topic, do as the police tells you, and if he does call, just tell him that the police have been there to see you & and that he shouldn't come near you/contact you anymore because you think the police are watching you/listening to your phone, so coming to you would be a sure way of getting caught (its reasonable to believe that you're being watched if you were as close to this individual as you've said).

After that you can call the police and say that he contacted you but you didn't ask for any details and have no further information to give him. That way you've covered your back and you haven't sold out your friend in any way.
Well at least that's what I'd do :D

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Originally Posted by momotron

F*** the Police! Oh wait no, what am i saying! I see that phrase so much on the internet I've started thinking it! :S

Back on topic, do as the police tells you, and if he does call, just tell him that the police have been there to see you & and that he shouldn't come near you/contact you anymore because you think the police are watching you/listening to your phone, so coming to you would be a sure way of getting caught (its reasonable to believe that you're being watched if you were as close to this individual as you've said).

After that you can call the police and say that he contacted you but you didn't ask for any details and have no further information to give him. That way you've covered your back and you haven't sold out your friend in any way.
Well at least that's what I'd do :D

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Problem: Chances are his phone's already tapped.

if they didn't give you any other information you should tell the police what they want to know.

uf you are in my loved counrty mexico, run run for your life!!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by eduardo230

uf you are in my loved counrty mexico, run run for your life!!!!!!!!

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ROFLMFAO. :sasmokin:

if hes this good friend you might want to let him know but not by cell phone or any mail that can be traced. and ask him if he did it and how then you could find out what to do.

I don't see a problem in Dervish asking for his friend to stay away from and him & there shouldn't be a problem with Dervish telling him that the police are looking for him and that he shouldn't tell him where he is etc. Even if the phonelines are tapped. If the police have an issue with you telling them that, they'd No1. Tell you No2. warn you - cant get in trouble if they didn't warn you No3. You can say you lied to protect yourself from a dangerous felon who may harm you.

There shouldn't any issues with my earlier post.

fuck the police.
Seriously though, failure to report a felony is a huge crime. So if he does contact you make sure he doesn't tell you anything. Don't ask him anything.
You cannot get in trouble for not turning him over unless they've already proven something. I would check with a lawyer to get more info if i were you. I could never turn over a friend of mine. :(
I feel your pain bro.
You live in USA?

Just tell him that you have to tell everything to the police and that you do not wish to speak with him becouse that probably is the best thing to do since you do nothing unlawfull and he has a better chance not getting caught.

Man for all you know he killed the bastard who was raping his sister. Hide that mofo, you don't rat on your friends

-RM

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Originally Posted by Sir R. M8gic1an

Man for all you know he killed the bastard who was raping his sister. Hide that mofo, you don't rat on your friends

-RM

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fuck yes.

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Originally Posted by ItsTHC

When the police say to report him if you see him just be like yeah yeah ok sure then never do it and say you never saw him. Also I would suggest not hanging out with him if you do come in contact with him because then they'll take you down as an accomplice.

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Too risky.. Although that's exactly what I feel like doing.

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Originally Posted by tarajunky

You're obviously on their list of close contacts. What happens if you hide him and the police come back again? Then both your lives are ruined.

They know he called you before, they could find out if he calls you again. There's really no way for your to help conceal him without taking an enormous risk yourself. It's clearly a desperate situation, but a real fried wouldn't ask that of you. You need to consider that from both sides. You can't undo what has happened, and the ONLY way to handle this is to work with the police. It's not a choice, it's the only choice.

Edit: I just watched a documentary on credit card use last night, and they had horror stories from 30+ people. The one similarity is that they were all in some kind of desperate situation (lost a job, medical bills, divorce, etc), and made a bad decision that only made their bad situation much, much worse. Don't make the same mistake here.

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Its a friend and a good one. I can't really just give him away like that.. Working with the police seems to me like the most rational way of doing things.. Its an emotional suicide however. Also what if people find out about it ? Yeah he's the guy who gave away a good friend to the cops when he was in need of help...

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Originally Posted by momotron

F*** the Police! Oh wait no, what am i saying! I see that phrase so much on the internet I've started thinking it! :S

Back on topic, do as the police tells you, and if he does call, just tell him that the police have been there to see you & and that he shouldn't come near you/contact you anymore because you think the police are watching you/listening to your phone, so coming to you would be a sure way of getting caught (its reasonable to believe that you're being watched if you were as close to this individual as you've said).

After that you can call the police and say that he contacted you but you didn't ask for any details and have no further information to give him. That way you've covered your back and you haven't sold out your friend in any way.
Well at least that's what I'd do :D

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I was given orders to ask for details like location and try to meet up with him or something...

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Originally Posted by ggzz

Problem: Chances are his phone's already tapped.

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No doubt..

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Originally Posted by tom99

if hes this good friend you might want to let him know but not by cell phone or any mail that can be traced. and ask him if he did it and how then you could find out what to do.

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I need to find out where he is in order to do that however..

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Originally Posted by momotron

I don't see a problem in Dervish asking for his friend to stay away from and him & there shouldn't be a problem with Dervish telling him that the police are looking for him and that he shouldn't tell him where he is etc. Even if the phonelines are tapped. If the police have an issue with you telling them that, they'd No1. Tell you No2. warn you - cant get in trouble if they didn't warn you No3. You can say you lied to protect yourself from a dangerous felon who may harm you.

There shouldn't any issues with my earlier post.

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I think he knows the police are after him : his phone is off, he hasn't been on facebook ever since the presumed event....

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Originally Posted by footballjds

fuck the police.
Seriously though, failure to report a felony is a huge crime. So if he does contact you make sure he doesn't tell you anything. Don't ask him anything.
You cannot get in trouble for not turning him over unless they've already proven something. I would check with a lawyer to get more info if i were you. I could never turn over a friend of mine. :(
I feel your pain bro.
You live in USA?

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I live in France and yes, cops tends to be a bit rough around here.

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Originally Posted by jordi1104

Just tell him that you have to tell everything to the police and that you do not wish to speak with him becouse that probably is the best thing to do since you do nothing unlawfull and he has a better chance not getting caught.

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If only I could get a hold of him..

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Originally Posted by Sir R. M8gic1an

Man for all you know he killed the bastard who was raping his sister. Hide that mofo, you don't rat on your friends

-RM

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The way I feel.. The risks are great though..

I've been at his place, his parents were horrified and haven't heard of him, same thing with his sister...

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Originally Posted by Dervish

Its a friend and a good one. I can't really just give him away like that.. Working with the police seems to me like the most rational way of doing things.. Its an emotional suicide however. Also what if people find out about it ? Yeah he's the guy who gave away a good friend to the cops when he was in need of help...

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really? dude this isnt like smoking a joint. this is murder. if u told on ur friends for weed, i understand why ppl wouldnt want to trust u (if they smoke pot). but murder is completely different. you dont have a choice: you have to tell. correction, you do have a choice: ruin ur life, or dont. your friends life is ruined, period. u cant stop that. it doesn't matter what u do now, the court decides his fate. wat u do now will decide your fate. do you want to end up like him? because the ONLY thing u can change is your own fate in this situation.

EDIT: dont wanna be mean, i just dont like seeing people throw away their lives pointlessly. i hope u make the right decision. :)

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Originally Posted by Dervish

I was given orders to ask for details like location and try to meet up with him or something...

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the awesome thing about "orders" from cops is you can completely ignore them.
You cannot aid your friend and you cannot lie to the cops, but you can call BS when they tell you to help them.

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Originally Posted by footballjds

the awesome thing about "orders" from cops is you can completely ignore them.
You cannot aid your friend and you cannot lie to the cops, but you can call BS when they tell you to help them.

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Lol no. Harboring a fugitive or similar is highly illegal in most places. He is wanted and looked for, it would probably be illegal to not turn over information about him.

Warrior is absolutely correct, you don't want to "fuck the police" especially with such a serious case as murder. If he did or didn't do it, his life is basically already ruined. The only way he's going to be able to fix his life is being proved not guilty in court. It's a major thing he is being pressed with, he needs to face it. It will not just disappear, and helping him avoid it for a bit will only result in trouble for you as well.

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Originally Posted by Harry

The only way he's going to be able to fix his life is being proved not guilty in court.

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Casey Anthony did it. Anyone can do it. :D

Turn him in. Doesn't matter if you know him for that long... let the Law deal with him , and if he's innocent than talk to him about it, if he is guilty ... well you did something right for your missing friend and his family..

You don't have an option, you have to turn him in if he texts/calls/talks to you/you see him. If you don't and you are found to be helping/assisting/hiding him, you will also be found guilty of Harboring a Fugitive. If you turn your friend in, he will be given a fair trial. Should he plead guilty, well then you know he was infact involved in the homicide. Should he plead not guilty, well then you know you did the right choice and won't be involved in the whole scene anymore. Either way you'll win - if he's guilty, then he spends his time over in jail; if not, you can talk to him again.

Well No matter how bad the situation, hiding a fugitive is as bad as being one...Yea you could probably hide him but the problem is that what if, What if you hide him and the police find him in ur house. He goes to jail for homicide and u got to jail for being an accomplice. Eventually he's gonna have to face the police, just depends on how. Keeping in mind this is not GTA where u can kill someone and hide in a corner until the stars go down.

I feel sorry for you man. Anyway, here's the thing. What IF he did commit murder? Do you want friends that are murderers? If he's not guilty, then he'll most likely walk free. In the end it is his mistake and you can support him, but I don't think that support should stop you from working with the police to discover the truth. I'm not sure what I would so in such a situation, but I'm leaning towards working with the police. After all - what if your sister got murdered by someone, how would you feel is someone else was hiding the murderer? (All of this is obviously purely hypothetical, but it's worth thinking about)

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Originally Posted by Dervish

Last night, the police came over to my place, they were 7. They were looking for one of my better friends, one I've known since I was 4. They looked in all the rooms and explained that my mate is searched for homicide.

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First of all, did you tell them they can come in your home? Idk how they do it in France, but they have to have a very good reason to come into an American's home without a warrant or permission. The police would never get permission from me, whether I am guilty of anything or not.

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Originally Posted by Dervish

I was given orders to ask for details like location and try to meet up with him or something...

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They can't order you to do that. You aren't an officer.

If he contacts you, ask him whatever you like, but don't learn anything you wouldn't mind the police knowing. The first thing you say when he answers is, "Don't tell me anything the police can't know." That will absolve you of guilt. Don't go out of your way to help the police, but don't fuck over your friend.

The police might have said they have proof, but are you sure? Police lie. I don't care what you say, they do. Unless you have seen the proof, believe nothing, remain silent.

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Originally Posted by Wizzup?

I feel sorry for you man. Anyway, here's the thing. What IF he did commit murder? Do you want friends that are murderers? If he's not guilty, then he'll most likely walk free. In the end it is his mistake and you can support him, but I don't think that support should stop you from working with the police to discover the truth. I'm not sure what I would so in such a situation, but I'm leaning towards working with the police. After all - what if your sister got murdered by someone, how would you feel is someone else was hiding the murderer? (All of this is obviously purely hypothetical, but it's worth thinking about)

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Knowing him.. He would not have done something like this without a fucking good reason. He's not the violent type of guy and definitely wouldn't think of murdering someone..

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Originally Posted by Grihmm

First of all, did you tell them they can come in your home? Idk how they do it in France, but they have to have a very good reason to come into an American's home without a warrant or permission. The police would never get permission from me, whether I am guilty of anything or not.


They can't order you to do that. You aren't an officer.

If he contacts you, ask him whatever you like, but don't learn anything you wouldn't mind the police knowing. The first thing you say when he answers is, "Don't tell me anything the police can't know." That will absolve you of guilt. Don't go out of your way to help the police, but don't fuck over your friend.

The police might have said they have proof, but are you sure? Police lie. I don't care what you say, they do. Unless you have seen the proof, believe nothing, remain silent.

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Of course I let them in, why wouldn't I ?

If I say Don't tell me anything the police can't know, that's about the same as assisting him isn't it ?

You don't know where he is now. That is good: you don't lie to the cops and you aren't betraying him.
As said before: the best thing really is not to know anything about his whereabouts, that way there is no guilt on you. If he really is searched for homicide, your place would be one of the worst to hide as you know him too well. They already searched there. If he got half a brain and is serious about escaping the police, he should know.
Though the best thing would be to turn himself in or go far away (overseas). Else he'd be seriously doomed.

Look, telling him to keep away from you is easy to justify (even if the cops have told you otherwise). Say you said it because you were worried about your personal safety, there's nothing they can do about that.

Fuck that the police cant do anything, ignore the police, if ure friend needs help, help him, but do it logically, not like a retard...

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Originally Posted by butterlyr

Fuck that the police cant do anything, ignore the police, if ure friend needs help, help him, but do it logically, not like a retard...

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wow

I'd say check with a lawyer in your area about it. In the mean time, I'd just avoid your friend at all costs and not speak with him if he calls.

This is a difficult ocassion.Generally,if your friend isnt guilty,he dont have to be hiding.Why should he have to hide if he isnt guilty?Just tell him,if you can, to go to the police and tell them that he isnt guilty.

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Originally Posted by Dervish

Of course I let them in, why wouldn't I ?

If I say Don't tell me anything the police can't know, that's about the same as assisting him isn't it ?

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Well, it basically depends on whether or not you trust the police. I have never met a good police officer, so I would never let any in my home without a warrant.

And yeah, it kindof is, but it isn't anything that will get you in trouble. It is a good compromise between helping your friend, and complying with the law. I agree with the idea of checking with a lawyer what you should do. I am not familiar with French law, although I know your Constitution is similar to the American one.