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Im enraged at the fact that people are saying RiD is better than Simba.
A Month.
That's how much time I give myself to rewrite EVERY single script that RiD has for Simba.
Guaranteed it WILL be difficult such as the Pest Controller and the Mage Arena.
I'd like to take a partner for this project, anyone who's interested can PM me.
Its only because they think paying a lot of money automatically means better.
Good luck :)
Best of luck, if you need help testing please get in touch with me. I would love to assist in the script writing but I still have a lot of learning to do.
Id say be kind to rid, its a one man project and rid is almost like a proof of concept, because I am 90% sure he uses real computer vision (such as transformation atleast for MTA).
But if you want hand with a enchanter, I got a algorithm to solve it pretty consistent and very good exp :)
I have used both RID and Simba and simba has far exceeded the capabilities of RID. I can hardly get RID to work more than 10 minutes on any script.
Good Luck with your project and i'm sure you will be able to do this.
i can make a couple functions for you if you pm? too busy to take up writing scripts -.-
Quite a feat to do not because it's he'd bit because you're giving yourself a time limit. Cool project/idea and good luck.
Don't count your chicks before they hatch!
I personally like Rid but I like Simba far more because of the abundance of scripts.
Simba is by far better then RiD ok RiD has like low ban rate but its not because his scripts are so pro its because they cant run for over 10 minutes so ofc your not going to get banned when you can barley even bot lol just because its paid doesnt make it better also thats what people think just because it isnt free its automatically better...NOT
This is so true. RiD is just an over-hyped paid bot that doesn't actually work as well as advertised...Quote:
Originally Posted by illuminatiswag
Good idea OP. I support this 100%! :)
I can test the scripts, maybe even help write a few. I'm working a full load of AP classes this semester so I am going to be quite busy though. Pm me with anything I can do.
I personally used Rid even when reflection bots were working. Im not sure if it works well now but I got quite a few 99s with it back then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zyt3x
How long did it take for RiD to create a Firemaker?
3 Months?
Ahh kk.
It's good to know since I created a near flawless multilocation one in about an hour ^.^
Good Luck Sin. Judging by the scripts of yours that I have used I believe you can do it!
Thanks bro, I know I can :)Quote:
Originally Posted by I Bot Phats
Pest Control + Mage Arena would be a challenge though.
Im upto it :D
interested :) in helping im bored
Wait... So despite me botting 15 hours today, and 10+ hours a day every day the past 2 weeks, RiD doesn't work? Hmmm...
Also, Simba has the capabilities of producing RiD equivelant bots. The problem is not with Simba itself, it's in the skill of the actual programmer.
Here's a list of things you will need to actually replicate RiD:
Actual replication of human mousemovements
AI to make real-time decisions
black-box security (or simply keep the script private, as long as the code cannot be analyzed)
Excessively random behaviors, and unpredictable random actions
Unique Styles
Non-trickable Autotalker (means it's impossible to trick the bot into saying something predictable. e.g. you can never force the bot to say anything specific, or to repeat the same thing over and over again)
All of the above can be accomplished with Simba, but the only limiting factor is the programmer. Most of the programmers here lack the ability to accomplish all of it. I do respect Simba, and believe it follows directly after RiD as far as detectability goes.
Also, RiD actually has a larger userbase than Villavu, and they've clocked over 600,000 hours as a community in the past 3 years. Anyone who has a problem with the bot not running properly is either derpin too hard to be able to actually read instructions or the Knowledgebase (My forum rank is HelpDesk Addict. In 90 days I responded to over 1,100 tickets). Over 70% of all tickets filed are done incorrectly, or the user has read instructions properly and is making a derp mistake.
You'll also notice that on the bottom of the website you'll see a Top Botters section with people botting over 20 hours a day, so obviously the bots do work, it's just the derps who can't get them to work.
I myself have botted 3000 hours with Nexus, RSBuddy, ArbiBots, and Powerbot, and 2000 hours with RiD. I do intend to use Flight's ZMI Runecrafter, as I was rather impressed by his thread. Seems to be the best RCer available from what I've seen.
As I said, all the regular members of RiD has a high respect for Simba, and their community, and we mean no disrespect. The ban rate for RiD is nonexistant, and out of the Guideline breakers, it's the lowest out of any other site, despite direct and manual attacks from Jagex.
Again, RiD has it's purpose, and so does Simba. I'd rather we live in harmony than fight each other. Do you remember all of the RSBuddyfags and such fighting all over all the other communities? I don't think either of our communities want that.
RiD charges for their bots while we at Simba offer the same thing.
'Nuff said :)
I agree with YoHoJo, very demanding, if you need testing for any, just check my sig!Quote:
Originally Posted by YoHoJo
BTW, gl :)
Its not a fact of whether i think you can pull it off or not sin (i do think you can pull it off), the issue is that i feel its not a great use of your time! (who am i to say that, ikr) I just feel that you should concentrate your efforts in neglected fields of scripting!
Count this guy in.
Our mousemovementsare very human like.Quote:
Actual replication of human mousemovements
Like what exactly? What would this be ingame?Quote:
AI to make real-time decisions
What does that have to do with how good a script is? SRL/Simba/SCAR(scripts) etc have been open source since the start and we are still here and running fine, obviously Jagex being able to see the source doesn't mean they can detect and ban us.Quote:
black-box security (or simply keep the script private, as long as the code cannot be analyzed)
Everything in SRL/Simba is random or can be randomized.Quote:
Excessively random behaviors, and unpredictable random actions
RiD programmed by one guy, SRL/Scripts made by all sorts of different people, I think we have many unique styles.Quote:
Unique Styles
There have been some auto talker/responders made before.Quote:
Non-trickable Autotalker (means it's impossible to trick the bot into saying something predictable. e.g. you can never force the bot to say anything specific, or to repeat the same thing over and over again)
Anyways, like I've said before, Jagex blows at catching bots anyways, many scripts both Simba and RiD have screwed up big time before and still no bans.
In my opinion the leading factor in bans in getting reported, and neither SRL nor RiD can control weather or not you get reported.
Trent! No one is(or should be) saying one is better than other, or saying RiD is bad etc etc.
All S1N is doing is going to recrate all of the avaiable bots RiD has but for Simba is all.
This should not be a RiD Vs Simba bashing thread, just a good luck cool project thread.
But you don't offer the same thing. It's still detectable, end of story. I'd rather pay less than 6 and a half cents per hour and know I can reach 2496 total level (by the time RiD makes a bot for all skills) without receiving an offense than use a free script. I'd love to see that feat accomplished with Simba. Again, it is possible with Simba, however the work required to give you an equivalent product is extremely large.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sin
To give you an idea, the core of RiD's bots about 30,000 lines. All bots before the fisher added together was around 100,000 lines of code. So since they both work using color, and you can program AI, and almost all of the other features RiD has with Simba, it is possible, however it would just be a very large task.
Funny how you think paying for something automatically makes it better than any other free method...Quote:
Originally Posted by Trent!
Where are you getting this? Our ban-rate here is close to none.....Quote:
It's still detectable
And lines don't mean a thing, the quality of the code does.
Both work fine (as far as I know) and accomplish the same thing, stop saying RiD is SOOO MUUUCH BETTER than Simba.
I'd say they are similar/same and anything than can be done in one can be done in the other, and right now none are more detectable than the other either....
Don't script to prove that Simba is better - script because you love scripting and have met some great people here at Villavu.
There will be no winner here. Those who like RID will always vote RID and those who support Simba will vote Simba.
Yeah but how? Do you even know? How come you absolutely refuse to give reasons to back up the statement: "RiD is less detectable than Simba"? Why do you keep avoiding this question?Quote:
Originally Posted by Trent!
Good Gamed by Flight.
Of course the ban rate would be lower, not everyone is using the same 13 scripts that have been worked on for years.
At srl we have A LOT more scripts, some of these scripts are YES written by people brand new to scripting; of course their script will have a .01 higher ban rate than someone like flights.
I've used the RiD Free Miner bot, and i tell you the Powerminers from the "First Scripts" section are better. MSI? owns. Other legit Poweminers i'm sure too.
RiD is seen better, because you gotta pay for credits/hour.. it's kinda like Mac and Windows i guess (ooh i'm making comparisons..nice) But with the limited scripts and no new scripts out.. it's not the same.
As for powerbot (not so much about the topic title) i see it coming once they get enough money to assure them not being broke if any legal cases come to them or whatever, hell.. once it's out all its haters and stuff "non-believers" or whatever you want to call them will use powerbot.. i'm sure many of us, eh?
Good luck with the script making, hopefully i'll be able to test some :)
even me everyone know im the noobest ! i can create a script on less time lol !!
You say Close to none. RiD is 0 following Guidelines, which is as undetectable as is possible, seeing as breaking them proves that it's not a person. The Guidelines is what being a human actually is, and it replicates human behavior, patterns, etc. Yes, you can do the same thing with Simba. I've never said 'RiD is soooo much better than Simba.' Simba itself is a great botting platform with an easy to learn language and an active community. I am not comparing the platforms, I am comparing the programming experience and skill of the script writers. Yes, as I've said, there are members of this community who can replicate what RiD does, and some who can probably code faster than RiD, however, most of these people are hired privately. You need the AI for real-time decisions, which you can do with Simba. You need the replication of human--not human-like, but human mouse movements, which you can do with Simba, however it's an very advanced programming technique. RiD invented his form of mouse movements using the Robot class. If you search up for some videos of RiD's thieving guild bot, you can see some of the examples of what I mean. You also all the other things I mentioned in my above posts.
Yes, the ban rates are low for Simba, but there is a ban rate. RiD does not have a ban rate. The majority of their bots have never even had a ban, despite some being out for over a year, even with users botting 15-20 hours a day. The Ivy Cutter, Thieving, Crafter, RiDiverse, Fishing, Agility, and Construction bots have never had a ban, even out of the Guideline breakers. Feel free to check the threads for 99 threads, as there is a fair number.
Again, I know many users have received 99's with Simba. About how many users on Simba would you say have botted ~16 99's on a single account with Simba, without a single offense?
EDIT: To go deeper into detectability: Jagex has a detection system. They also have manual inspection methods as well. A well programmed bot can easily maneuver around most of Jagex's basic detection systems. However, it gets more complex from there. Any bot that is just straight up scripted, rather than using AI, is detectable through automated means, and very quickly noticeable among manual inspection. Let's say you have AI, and really good anti-ban methods. Then it goes to Mouse Movements. Jagex can easily find the x,y coordinate of your mouse at any time that it is on the applet, meaning it wouldn't be difficult to make an algorithm that would calculate the equations of the line, velocity, acceleration, etc. This means with enough inspection (usually weeks or months of use, seeing as the more variety of ranges of randomness to them, the longer it takes to find a pattern that matches bot behavior). You require movements that mimic human behavior. I've seen my bot drunk, on ritalin, sleepy, curious, and high. It can do things such as adjust the grip on the mouse, or use advanced maths to find and click objects in ways that true humans do. The next time you play RS legit, watch how you move the mouse. Does your bot really move the mouse that way? So let's say you have mousemovements too, then it goes to the Unique Styles. Each bot has a billion possible unique playing styles for how your bot behaves and moves the mose, talks, etc. This means that every bot behaves differently, and even if Jagex ran RiD's bots for 10,000 hours, their bot would behave completely different than someone else using RiD. Now let's say you have that too, then the last thing, Autotalker: More of a fun feature with RiD, seeing as it's only real purpose would be to talk to J Mods, seeing as even if you get reported while using RiD, there is no risk to the account. You can't trick it into saying anythng, and you'll never be able to predict it's response. This means that Jagex can't trick the bot into saying things that would prove it's a bot.
Again, all of that is possible with Simba, however, as far as I've seen, no one publicly has anything like it besides RiD.
You say the script is up to the creator, correct? Well, the same thing goes to RiD. He has to create all the scripts himself, and honestly, I don't find them that good. What makes him a "superior" programmer/scripter than what we have here at SRL?
There are many people who have gotten multiple 99's from Simba alone (With out any offenses), how can you say that RiD is the only one capable of doing that?
I say again - this debate is a waste of time. RID is RID and Simba is Simba. Neither party will ever give ground to any argument. And besides - why do you feel Simba needs defending. Simba stands by itself, as does RID.
If Trent!s' motivation is to irritate and rile, I'd say he is succeeding. And you Simba chaps are taking the bait. Let it go.
Whether Simba is better, worse or the same is irrelevant - what is important is that there is a thriving, growing community for whom scripting is common ground. And that, too me is all that counts.
Trent! is welcome to stay or go - but stop falling for his bait!
I edited my above post to add in more details what separates the two. As I said, you CAN make a Simba bot that is as undetectable as RiD, it's just that most of the script-writers here don't release bots of that quality.
Again, I don't mean any disrespect. I have a great admiration for the Simba community, and I do plan to test out some of the bots here.
Also, we have multiple users who have botted ~16 99's with RiD on a single account. We have users who have botted over 9,000 hours. Users who have botted over 5,000 hours on a single account, even users achieving 200mil experience in some RiD skills. I've rarely heard of similar stories with SimbaQuote:
Originally Posted by Kyle Undefined
That's strange, all the stories I hear about RiD is that it can't run past an hour, and even 10 minutes in most cases.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trent!
Publicly is a key word here. Scripters here don't have to show off their amazing scripts. They keep them private or in SRL Members. I mean props to the guy who made RID if he wants to make money off a couple decent scripts. Just don't come in here saying that Simba can do everything RID can do, but the scripters don't have the talent. There is much more to SRL than what you can seeQuote:
Originally Posted by Trent!
As for number of lines, I could easily write a script that uses tens of thousands of lines to accomplish absolutely nothing. Lines of code mean absolutely nothing.
I think your knowledge about 'detectability' is all wrong.
Jagex sucks at detecting us.
Tons of scripts (for ANY bot) have screwed up badly in the past and still no bans.
#1 Key to getting banned is being reported by people, which is something no bot can manage.
Our scripts are open source for them to all see and read, yet we are all fine.
We have randomness and humanlike-ness, so I don't see how RiD in any way is less detectable than Simba.
One of your largest arguments is the way the mouse moves.....?
Our mouse moves just fine, has randomness/acceleration/speed/velocity which are all random/can be adjusted too.
And Mouse/MMouse (the mouse moving functions) are the most widely used functions in every script, if there was some easy pattern to spot, then anyone who ran a script would get banned, yet we don't... so obviously our mouse movements are just fine.
Tell me this, what exactly makes Simba so detectable?
About exp etc:
These are just documented stats (not all scripts commit stats) for only users who didn't enter any account info:
http://stats.villavu.com/user/235
Also stats for MSI:
http://stats.villavu.com/script/21
Total EXP Gained : 3,169,076,243
That's 3.1 BILLION XP from MSI alone.
Our totals would be MUCH higher than that, so obviously we are matched/the same when it comes to numbers game, we both have A LOT of hours and xp.
I'm not saying RiD is bad, or Simba is the best, it's just the your claims that RiD has all of this extra super duper stuff are annoying :p! RiD probably has some great things and features Simba may not have right now, but when it comes to detectability, users, xp, hours etc we are same/matched.
A general trend in the human psyche is that as humans we equate more money with higher quality and tend to believe that if something is free it must be defective. You will NOT change someones mind on RiD over simba easily because of this, and honestly, there really is no point to. If they want to use RiD, whats the harm? We as a community gain nothing from gaining a member who wants a bot like RiD, they will not learn to script, and overall will not contribute much. (obvious generalizations, but still.)
As for the time needed, if I wasn't in school right now, I'm pretty sure I could do it in a matter of days (not trying to say oh look at me, I'm better, I'm just trying to say RiD isn't that complex and wouldn't be terribly difficult to perfectly emulate in simba. I think you could also do it in much less then a month if you just sat down and knocked it out)
My main point is that as an open source community, we don't stand to gain anything by trying to go up against RiD, and thus it really isn't necessary. Though I do support your endevors to show how not complex it really is :D
You miss the main point about RiD. They are really undetectable because they tell their members to auto for less than 6 hours a day and thus stop users from being stupid /sarcasm.Quote:
Originally Posted by YoHoJo