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Do you think Obama deserves 4 more years to make at least some history except being the first African-American President and improve United States?
Please Vote/Discuss and keep it clean :)
-Cheers
Back in '08:
http://villavu.com/forum/showthread.php?t=34679 69 for Obama -- 25 for McCain
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http://villavu.com/forum/showthread.php?t=37758 Declaration of Obama being President
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ron paul 2012 or world will b Screwed
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Originally Posted by slushpuppy
No need to curse, it's against the rule and also I had mentioned to keep it clean; The world will be ruined? Sorry but this thread is for the Presidency election in the USA, not the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by P1nky
I prefer Ron Paul, but its not happening.
So it's gonna be Obama. Actually we have two Obama's running against each other. Romney is basically the same thing.
If that was the case, then there would be three canidates from two parties. Obama, Romney, and the other Romney.Quote:
Originally Posted by kingarabian
But I would never go as far as saying that Obama and Romney are the same people. I would love to hear your opinion on this subject (through PM as to not stray away from the topic).
But Obama definitely. Hopefully this term the republicans won't cockblock him at every chance they get, and maybe he'll get something done. If it were possible, I'd vote Ron Paul though.
It doesn't matter really. I remember somwhere Obama said that, "When you're campaigning for office, you want to change alot of things.... then when you get into office, you realize you can't do that."
Paraphrasing of course.
No matter who it is, they all think they're going to bring change - but its all the same b.s.
If America takes the nose dive, it will if Romney or Obama gets (re)elected, Alot of countries dependent on US consumption, manufacturing, or economy will get stuffed ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by P1nky
As long as its not Santorum I don't care. So glad he dropped out, guy was an idiot.
We are headed for a cliff and the decreased education that the establishment has helped create is leading all the sheeple over the edge.
Kony 2012 ; new president :garfield:
No gt*o Kony ; BARACK =D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4MnpzG5Sqc
I honestly believe that the president really doesn't have much to power to do anything.
I hate them all. I want New Jersey's governer to run for president.
Fresh meat is always welcome. Plus I live i Canada, we Kinehdyinz enjoy the hype about elections :)
I'd rather have Obama than Romney any day. Obama has acted more like a Conservative President than a Democratic one. He's accomplished a lot, even with Congress blocking almost every move he tries to make.
Yes, he can.
Need more socialist nominees, like Stewart Alexander
On President Obama and the constitution. Your rights that you have lost since he has taken office.
http://dailycaller.com/2011/12/04/pr...al-violations/
http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/...ervatives.html
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2847870/posts
http://www.wnd.com/2012/01/more-obam...ion-shredding/
http://www.wnd.com/2012/04/alarms-ov...ution-surging/
http://www.wnd.com/2012/04/alarms-ov...ution-surging/
Read more people. Please I beg you all to read and actually think about what's getting jacked up in our country before it's too late. I also didn't even cover the Trespassing Act passed in Feb 12 which takes away more freedom of speech. Or the state of emergency that the president declared based on the Iran nuclear weapons program. Under NDAA which was signed on DEC 31(Really on new years eve) allows him to send us to war without congress consent. This with the Korean and syrian issues popping up. You want an end to Afghan war well say hello to the next 3 wars if we continue in this direction.
RON PAUL 2012
Mitt Romney is gona win, obviously. Obama was trying to make the government too strong
Brak has it to a T. I would urge you to look at those links as well, because as a Canadian I am definitely affected by whatever the states do. Ron Paul all the way!
How about total anarchy?
What about vermin supreme?
Obama or Romney
But he killed bin Laden....
Who cares about his race? It doesn't mean anything. Obama has done some good, but in general has taken away a lot of your rights (see BraK's links, too lazy to cite some more). I'm voting for Ron Paul, hopefully enough other people do.Quote:
deserves 4 more years to make at least some history except being the first African-American President
No he didn't, a team of Navy SEALs did. Also, Osama wasn't even a threat at the time. He was in hiding, not doing anything at all. It's the same as when they took out Sadam, it's cool "WE TOOK DOWN DEM TERRORISTS AMERICA #1", but nothing changed in either of the countries they were from. In fact, one could argue that Iraq is filled with even more unrest and violence than previously.Quote:
Originally Posted by abu_jwka
LOL I made it 15-14. Yay! Tie breaker!
When did he have time to do that. As far as I know it was my fellow brothers at arms that killed him. Not Obama. Yes he said go, Anyone in that position would have, that does not make him responsible for it. Honestly I blame him for it taking so long. We knew he was in Pakistan many years ago. He willingly sends us to die now failing to uphold his promises, He fails to up hold his duty as a citizen and he fails to uphold his oath of office that he would defend the constitution of the united states. These are epic fails to end all the rest. But the support for him is still there? Why? Because of the low education on politics in general. Most high schoolers don't even think it's important to vote. People are willingly becoming slaves of the government that was created to defend us. Why?Quote:
Originally Posted by abu_jwka
tl;dr
Sheeple won't look at my links. If they do they will write them all of as lies without doing the research for themselves and seeing that it much worse than the links say.
If your sources have FOX NEWS video clips embedded into them...Quote:
Originally Posted by BraK
Well I'll just leave it at that.
I have read or glanced over the other sources though, and I do acknowledge some of the things that are said in them.
That doesn't mean anything, look at the other sources.Quote:
Originally Posted by sahibjs
I really think Obama will be re-elected.
He probably will...that doesnt mean it's a good thing....Quote:
Originally Posted by Jokester
If Obama was re-elected it will be useless.. since he cant even get anything passed through the house and senate.
In all honesty I have never cared less about who wins.
BraK, I love you man, but your sites are all conservative.
From your first link (http://dailycaller.com/2011/12/04/pr...-violations/):
1. The individual mandate
Won't be into affect until 2014, and people won't be fined until 2016. There is no enforcement of this provision, if you don't buy insurance and don't pay the fines, then nothing will happen to you. If paying for insurance is greater than 8% of your monthly income, then you're exempt.
2. Medicaid coercion
This isn't being forced on anyone, you either partake in it or not. If you choose not to, then that's the states choice. States are claiming that it's unconstitutional, but it's not, as declared by the Eleventh Circuit. If this is struck down, then this opens a can of worms. It would call into question dozens of other federal programs—not just in health programs, but also education, transportation, environmental protection, civil rights, and, indeed, national security—that provide funds to the states conditional on the states meeting certain requirements.
3. The Independent Payment Advisory Board
I'm fine with this to be honest, it's just a beefed up MedPAC (Medicare Payment Advisory Commission). MedPAC has recommended cuts to Congress that would cut "hundres of billions of dollars" to Medicare and guess what, Congress has simply ignored them. People in Congress are not informed enough to reform health care. This gives power to the people who are actually knowledgable in health care policy.
4. The Chrysler bailout
Bush bailed out Chrysler when they needed it, giving them $15 billion dollars in aid. That Chrysler has been renamed to "Old Carco". The new Chrysler did repay in full the loans it was given, six years early. In fact, the $6.6 billion payment provided an annual rate of return on the funds lent to Chrysler Group of almost 20 percent, which is a pretty attractive return. Old Carco is responsible for paying that back, not the new Chrysler.
5. Dodd-Frank
I honestly don't know too much about this, but the description given on the site seems innacurate. I will do some research.
6. The deep-water drilling ban
This was issued so that there was time to implement new safety requirements for drilling. This was/is needed. The oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico was just one example of why. Oil companies were unregulated thanks to Bush, and that needed to change. It would of only impacted 33 deepwater drilling sites, which is less than 1% of the production platforms for oil and natural gas. Why is that such a bad thing? Also, the "the judge was so shocked by the administration’s conduct that he found the government in civil contempt of court." quote is completely false.
7. Political-speech disclosure for federal contractors
Oh, so you like U.S. corporations that are controlled by foreign governments influencing election outcomes? That's very American of you. This bill makes it so that us, the American people, control the elections, not huge corporations throughing out millions of dollars. This is NOT an attack on political and protected speech.
8. Taxing political contributions
Wow, the description for this is nothing but a bunch of bs. This isn't an attack on political speech like they claim, it's to stop nonprofit groups from dumping millions of dollars into campaigns. These nonprofit groups aren't even supposed to engage in political activity, and that's the law. Who's in the wrong here?
9. Graphic tobacco warnings
I have heard about this, but haven't really followed it. I will do some research.
10. Health care waivers
The claims of political favortisim and the luxurious waivers is bogus. Only 3% of the population was covered by these waivers. The ones that were denied wasn't because they were in Republican controlled states, but because they did not demonstrate that compliance with the minimum annual limits requirements would significantly increase premiums or decrease access to benefits. The healthcare overhaul granted HHS the power to grant these waivers, and they offered limited annual coverage.
I'll read the other links in detail later, but this is a good start ;)
Not me ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by BraK
Bush knew were Osama was too, why not attack him for not doing anything for it? Things don't happen overnight.
Also, Bush put us in the Iraq war, when we shouldn't have even been there in the first place. I blame Bush for all of our American soldiers deaths in that war, he caused them to die. He just wanted to "follow his dads footsteps" and go after Saddam, even though there was no need to. The other reason he decided to invade Iraq was to control the oil.
Oh, and let's not forget that he went to war without Congress' approval.
I'm disappointed in Obama for acting too much like a Conservative.
SRL for president 2012. Lol
*I'm disappointed in lobbyists for paying Obama to act too much like a conservative.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyle Undefined
Fixed it for ya ;)
Oh my god. You guys actually are voting for obama? He has limited the media, allowed companies to take hold over more of the USA, and it is now falling apart. He is not a citizen of the USA. The documents were proven to be falsified. He is not even a candidate. The ignorance I see makes me sad ='[
Edit: one of the lies your govt has hidden for near one hundred years. Income tax: http://www.thelawthatneverwas.com/defects.aspx
The bill was never voted in, as seen on the above page
We have no choice. We either elect a republican who would drag us into a war with Iran or.. Obama. Ron Paul makes sooo much sense however... But the media doesn't like him, and we have Americans who only vote for popular people.
The republican democrat war is a simulation. they both work towards the same end
Ron paul is the only one who is actually trying to hold the untited states together, and get the banks out of control
Let's not forget Obama did the same exact thing now ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyle Undefined
The bailouts are the public way of the companies accepting money from the govt in return for support in reelection. Companies should die if they fail, and the companies getting bailed, like banks, are perfectly fine.
These companies after being 'bailed' will funnel money into the campaigns, and the good poor guys never get any time on the media. Since the guys siding with companies have all the money and can afford the ads all the time. Tv time is expensive, and you cant pull that cash from your pocket unless you have big companies supporting you, or you are filthy freaking rich.