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I'll start this off :) I'll let him post his reply if he wants :p Basically, him and I agree for the most part on some topics.
I have nothing against responsible, law abiding people buying and owning weapons. Hell, I have a few shotguns that I keep hidden. It's the insane, crazy, and people who break the laws that ruin it. I know some politicians want the process of owning a gun to change drastically, and that over control is not the answer. It will only promote more law breaking people to gain illegal guns.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luke L
I was born and raised in the country, in the deep south of Alabama. I know how to carry and shoot weapons. But a lot of people who are buying weapons and getting permits don't even know how to hold them properly. If you can't hold and shoot a weapon correctly, then you don't need to have one on you.
I also think that we are thinking of two different versions of gun control :p I'm talking about doing something to keep illegal weapons out of peoples hands. The process of obtaining a gun needs to change, but not very much. All we have to do is get rid of the illegal guns (I know, easier said than done), and nothing really has to change.
I think people need to go to a gun school in order to get their weapons, since it will teach them the proper ways of using it. That's the only thing that I think should change.
As for my comment about the NRA, there was a politician who made a comment about controlling the amount of guns that are in circuit, he was focusing on illegal guns. The NRA went into a fury about it, and caused a huge lash of anger. I'll try to find the article, it was a while ago.
EDIT: YoHoJo, instead of just plain deleting posts, couldn't you just move them here? There were some awesome points on that thread.
i really dont know what to think on this topic. but i will say that currently in Stanislaus county, it is very hard to obtain a concealed gun license (or whatever its called). my friend recently retired from the police force and he loves to tlk about how long it took for him to finally be able to get his license, even with his background.
dont really know much about other counties/states/countries though.
I want a nuclear missle in my backyard to defend myself against pakistan. No to weapon/gun control.
hurr durr
Why Pakistan...?Quote:
Originally Posted by eska
Muslim arabs going to launch a sucide astronaut with nuke on him missle right on my lawn, I can feel it.Quote:
Originally Posted by P1nky
Hope you are trolling lol, cause Arab = Pakistan ... No.Quote:
Originally Posted by eska
What is the reason for civilians to have small or hand weapons? In the Netherlands we don't allow automatic rifles and guns smaller then x(I don't know x). People can't carry a gun under there coat if it is big, people aren't allowed to have the gun loaded at all times and guns may not be taking into the public unless it is taking to a shooting range.
Yeh cuz the netherlandz is like zi sickest
I think every US citizen has the right to own a weapon if they have legally obtained it. Automatic rifles, drum magazines, and stuff like that probably don't need to be owned by your average citizen though. The media does not know what an "assault rifle" is. I am also a firm believer in the right to carry a concealed weapon if you have a permit. Here is an interesting article:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/two-auro...r-ignored.html
The ignorance is clear in this one. This is the reason why most eastern people hate Americans.Quote:
Originally Posted by eska
Here in the UK the problem is knives not guns, I heard some shocking statistic that 70% of people stabbed are done so with their own weapon, people use them more for defence than offence, then it backfires...
I say fine, but ban certain guns. Why should an automatic gun be legal? What could someone really do with an automatic weapon besides mass murdering.
Trust me you can defend yourself just find with a Pistol or something along those lines. Even a hunting rifle should be allowed, but automatic weapons just seem unnecessary. (Not sure on everything I just said, I just know the guy had an automatic weapon he bought legally)
Believe it or not, farmers use Automatic guns for mining operations :sQuote:
Originally Posted by R4nd0m
They pump bullets into the ground to make a hole. This was on the news a while back (not Fox).
E*
I felt like I was blaming eska directly. No, i'm saying that ALOT of Americans group people with racial slurs such as "paki", "arab", "terrorist". There are some people like that in my school:Quote:
The ignorance is clear in this one. This is the reason why most eastern people hate Americans.Quote:
Originally Posted by eska
http://www.openfile.ca/toronto/toron...viral-response
That happened in my school. As some of my closest friends are "turbanators" (most of whom don't sport Turbans), this didn't go down well with them. They took action by completely beating her up :p
In the video (its on WSHH), she calls them "paki", where as they aren't the same.
/myrant.
I don't care. Criminals are going to obtain guns no matter what, some people like to have them just for protection, and some shoot for sport, and do it legally and safely.
Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Awkwardsaw
Just like how crack or heroin is illegal, yet people still get it, so can they get guns for the right price.
https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphot...59480138_n.jpg
Thread closed.
Shay I am dispointed. I would have expected that a troll like you would've been able to spot an obvious troll post. You have failed me. :(
Why not just carry an RPG around on your shoulder and use it when someone is doing something you dont like....?
Pistols even then no.
I vote not to gun allowance. It just leads to issues.
I have nothing to say on the subject. I'm just glad that as a 19 year old I can legally own FAL's, AR15's, M92's, ect. Yet I still have a hard time getting hold of a pistol because [sarcasm]they are so much more deadly. [/sarcasm]
I'm glad my state is an open carry, machine gun state WITH the Castle Doctrine in affect.
Gun control? We need bullet control! I think every bullet should cost $5,000. Because if a bullet cost $5,000, we wouldn't have any innocent bystanders. That'd be it. Every time someone gets shot, people will be like, ''Damn, he must have did something. S**t, they put $20,000 worth of bullets in his ass.'' People would think before they killed somebody, if a bullet cost $5,000. ''Man, l would blow your f**king head off, if l could afford it. l'm gonna get me another job, l'm gonna start saving some money, and you're a dead man! You better hope l can't get no bullets on layaway.'' So even if you get shot by a stray bullet, you won't have to go to no doctor
to get it taken out. Whoever shot you would take their bullet back. ''l believe you got my property.''
Smelting bullets doesn't take much, a smithing level of 54 should do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Godric
Its stupid how weed and other drugs are illegal yet guns and bullet aren't.
8 million guns sold each year, USA public make up 50% of those sales.
Canada: You can smoke weed but you can't buy gun.
USA: You can buy gun but you can't smoke weed.
How many people have actually defended themselves? I am going to ballpark under 5% of the population who owns a gun actually puts it to good use.
Ps: I live in chicago, where no one owns a gun legally besides those "hunters".
Had there been 1 CCW at the Aurora theater, 5 minutes from where I live, things would have played out differently. I am a qualified expert marksman with the USAF and after what happened I decided to purchase my own sidearm. Obviously with the hope that I never have to use it. I am also getting my CCW this month.
SURVEILLANCE VID SHOWS 71-YEAR-OLD CONCEALED CARRY HOLDER OPENING FIRE ON WOULD-BE ROBBERS
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Caution CCT Video does show some one being shot. There is NO blood and they do NOT die.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/surv...ld-be-robbers/
Well I live in New Hampshire so kind of everyone here owns a gun or knows someone who does.... Guns brought up this great land. I dont like the idea of hidden gun carrying.... I want to know who is carrying around me :pQuote:
Originally Posted by R4nd0m
A lot of people around me shoot deer and turkey etc. Me and my cousins shoot at targets etc for fun...... But that is because my grandparents own over 100 acres so we have plenty of space. GL outlawing guns you will have to take mine from me ;)
Crazy people will find ways of getting guns so better some crazy people dont aswell. Plus if the government becomes corrupt the people may have to have a revolution like the first one ;) probably wont happen just they wouldn't outlaw guns they would just increase prices on things which is really pointless because the people that shoot guns alot will spend a lot while the crazy people only need to but a gun and one bullet to kill someone. GF fail government laws:duh:
* Guns used 2.5 million times a year in self-defense. Law-abiding citizens use guns to defend themselves against criminals as many as 2.5 million times every year -- or about 6,850 times a day.1 This means that each year, firearms are used more than 80 times more often to protect the lives of honest citizens than to take lives.Quote:
Originally Posted by R4nd0m
* Of the 2.5 million times citizens use their guns to defend themselves every year, the overwhelming majority merely brandish their gun or fire a warning shot to scare off their attackers. Less than 8% of the time, a citizen will kill or wound his/her attacker.
* As many as 200,000 women use a gun every year to defend themselves against sexual abuse.
* Even anti-gun Clinton researchers concede that guns are used 1.5 million times annually for self-defense. According to the Clinton Justice Department, there are as many as 1.5 million cases of self-defense every year
These statistics are obviously old, but it goes to show that guns are used in self defense a whole lot more than anyone realizes. It's just when someone uses a gun in self defense it doesn't make the news. Like when the criminal, from the article that I posted, walked into a church, killed someone, and then was killed by a legal gun carrying citizen didn't make the news. That event also happened in Aurora earlier this year.
If in a situation like the Batman opening occurs and nobody is prepared to use their gun for self-defence then the self-defence argument is irrelevant.
The laws clearly need to be changed for who can and how can you apply for a gun.
Use - Will you be hunting, farming, or defending yourself? (why else does a citizen need a gun?).
Ability - Can you actually use the killing machine we are about to hand to you? Are you able to use it appropriately (i.e. know when and how to shoot-to-kill or shoot-to-maim). Will you actually use this gun for the purpose you are declaring?
Appropriate - Is the gun you are requesting a license appropriate for your purposes?
Mental ability - Are you mentally stable, do you have any legal or other background that may put you in an 'at risk' category if we hand you a firearm?
In addition to needing to fill those criteria, are you able to secure your firearm both when at home or while you are concealing it in public. You are the one authorised to hold and use this weapon. Nobody else. Therefore you are the only one who may access it at any time.
You may deem your 'if bad people can obtain a gun illegally and shoot at us, we should be able to legally obtain one so we can shoot back' argument valid. But it's not. Bad people will always find a means to obtain the necessary tools to do bad things. But as proven in the US(don't mean to single you out, but c'mon guys I really only hear about this stuff over there) and I'm sure other countries with laws that allow people to carry firearms, that people simply do not use their personal weapons for self-defence.
You pay taxes, which in turn pay wages for the police men and women of your area to serve and protect you. If you genuinely feel you should have the right to hold a piece of metal in your hands that can end a person's life, whether that be of a child, man, woman or elder in the name of self-defence then you must recieve the same training as those police men and women before you may hold that piece of metal.
This is not really practical, and sure you may have grown up in generations of family members who can teach you how to shoot any gun better than a person who needs to for a living. But then this would discourage and disable many people from acquiring legally attained weapons and using them to commit crimes.
While it is still possible for people to go out and purchase these things on black-markets, there is no way that can be stopped. Anywhere in the world, for as long as the technology is available to create these weapons, there will be an illegal market for them.
well nad people will kill easer withh a full automatic asoult riffle that blows a head and part of the torso with one bullet, than with a big stone. just saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Overtime
have someone ever saw or hear about someone using a ffull auto wep for protection?
how many of us have hear about massacres with fully autos\\matics.?
When did someone use a fully automatic assault rifle recently? Everyone does realize that the AR-15 that was used in the Aurora,Colorado theater shooting was semi-automatic, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by eduardo230
im not talking about colorado, im talking about general. have you ever heard of someone using a war weapon to protect him? (no in a war situation)Quote:
Originally Posted by alevere4
and in how many masacres coused by civilians war wepons are involucrated?
Well, I must say, the $5000 bullet sure would force me to make more of my own lead ammunition, which might lead to more cancers because of lead, sooooo we should outlaw everything that might be dangerous.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shay
E: Class three weapons are EXTREMELY expensive, m60's can cost as much as a house and am m14 could cost as much as a nice car.
I just noticed this thread, but I already had my conversation with Kyle
Via pm, enjoyed talking with him! This will
Be the last response to this thread by myself
Though, as I get too angry from ignorant posts.
I live just south of you in rural Illinois. And I don't exactly see your point. I assume by saying "only 5% of people put it to good use" you mean people shouldn't have it, they don't use it. That logic makes no sense. People drive cars daily, and they have a seatbelt for when they get in an accident. With your logic, since only maybe 5% of people put it to good use (when they are in accidents) , should we just go ahead and get rid of them?Quote:
Originally Posted by R4nd0m
What I'm getting at is your example of maybe 5% of people put their guns to use isn't fair - they aren't being threatened on a daily basis to have to defend themselves, but when they are then they'll have it.
I assume this is a troll post, since obviously ammo can be easily made no matter the price put on anything. Don't make me go on, it's too ridiculous.Quote:
Originally Posted by Godric
Putting all politics and statistics aside, it comes down to two points for me:
1. I want to be able to protect my family if somebody is breaking in.
2. Professional criminals love and will always vote for gun control, because laws are BS to them anyway.
Also a cool wiki link to a county where gun ownership is mandatory:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kennesaw,_Georgia#Gun_law
No my point is even if people have it, people won't use it. Seat-belts are used regardless if you wanted it to work or if you didn't it will. Guns must be shot, and it may be different in other area's but most people talk a big talk but don't actually have the nerve to shoot unless drunk or in "rampage" mode. (No, not saying all gun owners are like that.. but here that is how it works, people buy their guns legally then end up killing someone whether it be their child taking the gun and accidentally shooting or them messing up in a drunken rage)Quote:
Originally Posted by Luke L
To be very honest, what angers me most is the Mexican Drug Cartel. They get their guns from America!
In mexico getting a gun is hard because of such strict gun control laws, but all they have to do is make it to Texas and buy them legally/illegally (The reason we have such a surplus of guns though is because citizens must have them for reasons unknown to me... Things like you all described just don't happen where I am from) I feel like a bat would be just as effective in terms of scaring someone.
lol was lookin on msn see something about that James Holmes guy and i found this about gun laws. OBAMA SAYS CHANGE! \/(^.^)\/
http://news.ca.msn.com/top-stories/o...-us-gun-laws-1
heres a little more on the subject
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...AAX_story.html
Oh I understand what your saying. Then you'd probably agree with the conclusion that me and Kyle came to - America doesn't need more gun restriction laws, it needs more laws that teach safety, use, maintenance, etc. Teach them the skills so they have the ability to use a gun when need be, and enough leadership skills to be able to stay calm under pressure. He suggested something like a "gun training school" - which I agree with. Knowledge is power, and America needs more of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by R4nd0m
edit: and although I said I wouldn't reply to this thread anymore, I felt R4ndom deserved a reply as I consider him an intellectual.
It should be lvl 120 then! :spot:Quote:
Originally Posted by Shay
Australian blog in reference to US gun laws and the Colorado incident.
Don't take this as gospel or as my whole-hearted opinion. But from our standpoint on the other side of the world where these type of crimes aren't committed nearly as frequently you can see why we might take this position.
"Change will come the moment the US government realise that gun ownership should be treated as a privilege, not a right; just don’t expect it to be anytime soon."
This statement however, I agree with entirely. You should not have the right to bear arms, it should be a privilege earned and worked hard for.
I'd feel safer in an unarmed crowd with a crazy gunman, than in a crowd full of rednecks, that barely knows how to operate their gun, with a crazy gunman.