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    Default IRC Requests and Complaints.

    Considering many #srl operators are also staff here on the forums, I will place this thread here.

    This thread is dedicated to the requests placed by the members of our #srl irc channel located on irc.rizon.net, and only #srl. Do not request anything, or complain about anything if it is not relevant to #srl and the people with which it contains.

    The range of issues to be taken here lie from extreme operator abuse to bot requests, and above and beyond.

    To kick start this thread, I will bring forth an issue of late that has gathered quite a resonance - the irc bot 'Arkeo', run by #srl operator Hobbit. One of Arkeo's many features is to log messages sent to the channel and make them publicly available through Hobbit's personal website TheHDD. Many irc users have expressed privacy concerns regarding the pubic display of their messages, despite the fact that it is illegal for Hobbit to retain information (including chat logs) of minors without parental permission under the Children's Online Privacy Protection Act of 1998. Logging of the channel can easily cease, however Hobbit has failed to reply to any queries regarding the cease of logging.
    Quote Originally Posted by irc
    [00:55:29] < Guest3097> I lol at how BenLand100 has become noidea
    [01:07:40] <@BenLand100> i'm not noidea i'm
    [01:07:44] -!- BenLand100 is now known as BenLand42-
    [01:07:46] <@BenLand42-> shit
    [01:07:49] -!- BenLand42- is now known as BenLand420
    [01:07:50] <@BenLand420> YEA

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    It's kind of senseless to cite COPPA since it's an US law and Hobbit lives in Canada.

    Edit: Also, this thread is silly. Hobbit, stop being a dick. Give people the ability to opt-out.

    Edit: Also, I doubt anyone on #SRL is under the age of thirteen.
    Last edited by Jason2gs; 09-13-2011 at 03:04 AM.

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    Well, Hobbit is Canadian and therefore COPPA does not apply to him. The server he hosts TheHHD on, however, is in the US and does apply to that.

    Nonetheless, it isn't about the laws and legality of it. The fact is that many people have expressed that they do not want the bot in the channel, and Hobbit completely ignores these. In fact, we have had not one, but four operators kick Arkeo out of the channel, and yet he still brings him back.

    Frankly, I want it gone, and I'm not alone in my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NxTitle View Post
    Well, Hobbit is Canadian and therefore COPPA does not apply to him. The server he hosts TheHHD on, however, is in the US and does apply to that.

    Nonetheless, it isn't about the laws and legality of it. The fact is that many people have expressed that they do not want the bot in the channel, and Hobbit completely ignores these. In fact, we have had not one, but four operators kick Arkeo out of the channel, and yet he still brings him back.

    Frankly, I want it gone, and I'm not alone in my opinion.
    Hobbit's ownership of the server located in the US does require him to follow US law. If not, there can always be extradition to the USA for trial and all the politics that follow suit, etc.
    Quote Originally Posted by irc
    [00:55:29] < Guest3097> I lol at how BenLand100 has become noidea
    [01:07:40] <@BenLand100> i'm not noidea i'm
    [01:07:44] -!- BenLand100 is now known as BenLand42-
    [01:07:46] <@BenLand42-> shit
    [01:07:49] -!- BenLand42- is now known as BenLand420
    [01:07:50] <@BenLand420> YEA

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    That's not how it works. If he hosts a server in the US, he doesn't have to all of a sudden follow both canadian and US laws as a being.

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    The information collected in the IRC logs is COPPA compliant. Read it before trying to cite it.

    Also when users calmly and maturely brought concerns to my attention I proposed solutions to rectify them. Solutions that I am currently putting in place, one of which is making the logs more secure.
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    I'm on your side on this Noidea.

    But why not have SRL create a new set of IRC rules, that sets an age limit. Then any user who joins the IRC channel is saying that they are that certain age limit and then he can log as much as he wants.

    Discussed in this forum here as well here:

    http://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/93...on-irc-issues/

    and this is there rules:

    http://www.neowin.net/ircrules

    I'm just saying, Hobbit can easily evade the lawsuit if there are rules set in place for the IRC on a certain age limit such as maybe '14' to join the irc, then he can log as much as feels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hobbit View Post
    The information collected in the IRC logs is COPPA compliant. Read it before trying to cite it.

    Also when users calmly and maturely brought concerns to my attention I proposed solutions to rectify them. Solutions that I am currently putting in place, one of which is making the logs more secure.
    Or how about the logs just get deleted because no one wants them there except for you?


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    Its simple.

    Just don't join that irc, and create a new one without a bot.

    It's not like you guys weren't notified that its getting logged.

    Everyone knows it stores logs, so if there is something that you don't want to say to get logged don't say it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Overtime View Post
    Its simple.

    Just don't join that irc, and create a new one without a bot.

    It's not like you guys weren't notified that its getting logged.

    Everyone knows it stores logs, so if there is something that you don't want to say to get logged don't say it.
    We should have to find a new channel because of a single person being a jerk?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hobbit View Post
    The information collected in the IRC logs is COPPA compliant. Read it before trying to cite it.
    Under section 1303.a.1: I would call collecting the personal messages directed at a single channel, not publicly (anyone not in the channel at the time), collecting personal information. I would also say that you very-well know it is easy for a child - anyone under 13, as described by COPPA - to access irc, and then be logged unknowingly.
    Quote Originally Posted by irc
    [00:55:29] < Guest3097> I lol at how BenLand100 has become noidea
    [01:07:40] <@BenLand100> i'm not noidea i'm
    [01:07:44] -!- BenLand100 is now known as BenLand42-
    [01:07:46] <@BenLand42-> shit
    [01:07:49] -!- BenLand42- is now known as BenLand420
    [01:07:50] <@BenLand420> YEA

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    I hate saying shit that when i say it, its gonna end up when someones googles something they can find out what i said.. At least make the logs private


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    Quote Originally Posted by noidea View Post
    Under section 1303.a.1: I would call collecting the personal messages directed at a single channel, not publicly (anyone not in the channel at the time), collecting personal information. I would also say that you very-well know it is easy for a child - anyone under 13, as described by COPPA - to access irc, and then be logged unknowingly.
    Quote Originally Posted by 1303.a.1
    [...]in a manner that violates the regulations prescribed under subsection (b).
    The way in which Arkeo collects logs does not violate the regulations.
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    * Hobbit (~hhd@The.HHD) has joined #SRL
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    Whats the fuss? If you don't want anyone to read how you embarrass your selves, don't act like an idiot on IRC, behave and act as you would on real life. That should solve the problem, when everyone writes mature text, behaves, there should be no problems with the logs. There are many logging bots on QuakeNET and no one has ever complained about them. One solution would be that Arkeo could send a message to everyone that joins, and inform that it is a bot that is logging the channel. If someone doesn't want to be logged, they could simply part. I just don't understand how someone dares to complain about this, I would be embarrassed if I would complain about this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason2gs View Post
    Edit: Also, this thread is silly. Hobbit, stop being a dick. Give people the ability to opt-out.
    This is a possible solution.

    Quote Originally Posted by Frement View Post
    Whats the fuss? If you don't want anyone to read how you embarrass your selves, don't act like an idiot on IRC, behave and act as you would on real life. That should solve the problem, when everyone writes mature text, behaves, there should be no problems with the logs. There are many logging bots on QuakeNET and no one has ever complained about them. One solution would be that Arkeo could send a message to everyone that joins, and inform that it is a bot that is logging the channel. If someone doesn't want to be logged, they could simply part. I just don't understand how someone dares to complain about this, I would be embarrassed if I would complain about this.
    This is better. The problem is that Arkeo is not an ``official'' bot. And to be honest, we don't really need an official bot. I mean, half of the users in the channel already have autologging on. What's the big deal? That all the logs are available to everyone. That's the big deal.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Frement View Post
    Whats the fuss? If you don't want anyone to read how you embarrass your selves, don't act like an idiot on IRC, behave and act as you would on real life. That should solve the problem, when everyone writes mature text, behaves, there should be no problems with the logs. There are many logging bots on QuakeNET and no one has ever complained about them. One solution would be that Arkeo could send a message to everyone that joins, and inform that it is a bot that is logging the channel. If someone doesn't want to be logged, they could simply part. I just don't understand how someone dares to complain about this, I would be embarrassed if I would complain about this.
    IRC is realtime media and should be treated as such. Anyone who is too lazy to idle in the channel can suffer and not get to view what happened. Anyone who does idle can feel free to read their own personal logs. IRC is meant to be fun, and many users style of fun they would prefer to not be logged. Is privacy not enough of a concern?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Wizzup? View Post
    What's the big deal? That all the logs are available to everyone. That's the big deal.
    Internet is public, almost everything can be found publicly, some old forum posts and IRC logs from other networks, I once searched for myself and found several IRC logs that contained text from me from 2004. If we don't want them to be linked to our selves, then we use aliases, like my Frement, thought my name can be found from my domains whois records. Still, this is my choice, I allowed someone to see my records, and now there is almost no way for me to hide them as they are indexed always somewhere. This is a fact that I live with, and I don't mind. Not ready for losing privacy? Disconnect from the internet, easy solution.
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    Just remove Arkeo

    * yakman (~yakman@tr.l.l.l.l.l.l.l.l.l) has joined #srl
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frement View Post
    Internet is public, almost everything can be found publicly, some old forum posts and IRC logs from other networks, I once searched for myself and found several IRC logs that contained text from me from 2004. If we don't want them to be linked to our selves, then we use aliases, like my Frement, thought my name can be found from my domains whois records. Still, this is my choice, I allowed someone to see my records, and now there is almost no way for me to hide them as they are indexed always somewhere. This is a fact that I live with, and I don't mind. Not ready for losing privacy? Disconnect from the internet, easy solution.
    All I got out of that block of text is: "you have no privacy rights online, so please let any and everyone rape your privacy rights without making any attempts to fight it".


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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry View Post
    All I got out of that block of text is: "you have no privacy rights online, so please let any and everyone rape your privacy rights without making any attempts to fight it".
    All I was trying to say, its the internet, don't expect privacy. That much has been clear to since I first started using.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frement View Post
    All I was trying to say, its the internet, don't expect privacy. That much has been clear to since I first started using.
    Yes, but does that mean we don't have the right to fight for it? Or that people should respect others privacy wishes is my point.


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    If you willingly allow it, as you have been on the IRC channel while you know it is being logged, I don't think you have any rights to fight for your privacy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frement View Post
    If you willingly allow it, as you have been on the IRC channel while you know it is being logged, I don't think you have any rights to fight for your privacy.
    The problem isn't that it's being logged, it's that the logs are publicly available

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zyt3x View Post
    The problem isn't that it's being logged, it's that the logs are publicly available
    Well, I still don't see anything wrong with it, perhaps its just me.
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