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    Default First things first. [Zyt3x feels like flaming]

    1. Simba is not a bot. Simba is not a client. Simba is a program. It's a program designed to automate tasks on your computer, be it ruenscape or neopets or whatever you'd like to do (It could even write you a book!)
    2. MSI (Or any other script you download from here) is not a bot. MSI is not a client. MSI is a script. Written for the program Simba.
    3. SMART is not a bot. SMART is not a client. SMART is an applet designed to load runescape in a window that can be utilized by Simba (Or any other program that supports it) and SMART can be minimized.

    There are no bots on this website. There are no clients on this website. You don't have to pay anything to bot on runescape using this program, everything is free here, even the scripts. We (The people scripting AKA programming in Simba) do this on our SPARE TIME. Don't expect us to be there for you all the time; USE THE SEARCH BUTTON, and USE YOUR BRAIN.

    I'm so tired of people posting "This bot doesn't work", and stuff like that.
    I'm basically writing down my thoughts here, and (hopefully) someone will read it and learn some basic stuff about villavu. (villavu is, in case you didn't notice, this forum. It's also known as the SRL Forum)


    E1: The title "SRL Member" is a honorable title. Being awarded with such a title (after applying) means that one has been deemed good enough by other the other SRL Members (plus the higher ranks as-well) to be considered one of the good scripters on this forum. If you're applying without a script, you're basically wasting time.

    E2: Remember, this community is about programming and learning. Compared to communities like PB (PowerBot), the most outstanding difference is that their community is (solely) focused on botting and creating bots for runescape, where this community is more like "Learning through programming for a game you (used to) play, to learn and to develop your skills, be it the English language, math, logic or programming in general. I have no idea how much this forum has helped me develop to be the one I am today.
    I know for a fact that this forum has indeed helped me to mature a lot, and find out what I like to do, and what I'd like to do later in life.

    E3:

    Quote Originally Posted by Markus View Post
    Ok from start to beginning, what constitutes of a bot? I define it as a program which automates certain actions at RuneScape. We'll take a look at all the necessary parts.

    First we look at Simba itself. It looks like an IDE with a integrated interpreter. Is that a bot? Not really.
    Then we look at SRL: It just provides some functions, like movemouse and solve randoms. Is that a bot? Not really. It does nothing on its own.
    SMART: it just loads the runescape client and passes pixels. Heck, it's not even necessary to use, we have used SCAR for the first 5 years of RS2 without it, we still don't need it. So is SMART a bot? It's not a necessary component to auto, so no.
    The scripts: they just call some functions in SRL and Simba. They are quite intelligent but usually they do only one task. Besides they can't run on their own. Are scripts a bot? No.

    The whole package, from beginning to end, might be called a bot. The individual parts sure aren't. And that's what has always set us apart compared to other 'bots', like Nexus, RSBot and RSBuddy: they offer one tightly integrated package. We don't, all the individual parts are clearly visible. There is nothing that you can call a "bot" at this website because there is simply no such thing.

    Calling Simba/SRL a bot is like calling a guitar just a thing that makes sound. You might be correct, but you miss all the sexiness it has.

    Also look, I put some things apart here
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zyt3x View Post
    1. Simba is not a bot. Simba is not a client. Simba is a program. It's a program designed to automate tasks on your computer, be it ruenscape or neopets or whatever you'd like to do (It could even write you a book!)
    2. MSI (Or any other script you download from here) is not a bot. MSI is not a client. MSI is a script. Written for the program Simba.
    3. SMART is not a bot. SMART is not a client. SMART is an applet designed to load runescape in a window that can be utilized by Simba (Or any other program that supports it) and SMART can be minimized.

    There are no bots on this website. There are no clients on this website. You don't have to pay anything to bot on runescape using this program, everything is free here, even the scripts. We (The people scripting AKA programming in Simba) do this on our SPARE TIME. Don't expect us to be there for you all the time; USE THE SEARCH BUTTON, and USE YOUR BRAIN.

    I'm so tired of people posting "This bot doesn't work", and stuff like that.
    I'm basically writing down my thoughts here, and (hopefully) someone will read it and learn some basic stuff about villavu. (villavu is, in case you didn't notice, this forum. It's also known as the SRL Forum)
    I say this at the risked of being burned at the stake before even having had time to get to know you all...

    Zyt3x: Yes, I have read your post and I suspect that I may not have learned what you hoped I would. But I have to challenge you on this. Why are you so defensive on this matter ? As you illustrated, Simba scripts could be used to write a book - but they aren't - are they ? We are writing scripts for Simba to automate our character. DOes that sound better ? Why are you so offended when people called Simba / SRL / SPS / SMART / MSI a bot. Are we not kidding ourselves here ?

    Please correct me if I have missed something here. All I have seen so far on the villavu forum is directed towards RS and scripts to automate your character - aka bot - yes ? What other scripts are their on villavu and what else do they do - besides being used for Runescape. Perhaps I have missed your point Zyt3x - and please - help me if I have.

    Please let me know what other tasks do people use Simba for. And they may well do - but I do not see that on this site.

    I do not mean or intend to offend here. But would it not be fair to say that perhaps other sites do indeed use Simba for other tasks - but the only task I see Simba being used for here is Runescape.

    Is this because Jagex has taken such an aggressive stance against owners and sites that host tweaked clients or bots (for sale or otherwise) - and that this is the real fear here.

    Please enlighten me. Thanks!

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    SRL attempts to be not just a community based around Runescape cheating, but a community for learning how to program.
    While all you mostly see are Runescape related posts, this is not our goal. Our goal is to learn.

    Quote Originally Posted by NickMystre View Post
    Please correct me if I have missed something here. All I have seen so far on the villavu forum is directed towards RS and scripts to automate your character - aka bot - yes ? What other scripts are their on villavu and what else do they do - besides being used for Runescape. Perhaps I have missed your point Zyt3x - and please - help me if I have.

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    @Nick

    I've used simba to create diablo 2 bots (some easy following ones that attack) I've also used it to do my homework

    simba is a great tool


    @flight, the last post in that thread brings tears to my eyes!
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    There have been created games in Simba. There have been made 3D engines in Simba. There have been made encryption and decryption functions in Simba. Basically; Anything you do on the computer, Simba can do on the computer + more.

    What people don't understand is that there is a difference between "to bot" (verb) and "a bot" (substantive). "To bot" can be done with even a simple auto-clicker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RISK View Post
    SRL attempts to be not just a community based around Runescape cheating, but a community for learning how to program.
    While all you mostly see are Runescape related posts, this is not our goal. Our goal is to learn.

    Hi Risk

    You know - perhaps I gave away more of myself than I realised. My time with RSB and PB wasn't soley about botting - I did really enjoy the programming side of things too. I just find myself so far behind on that front though that perhaps it was really the botting for me first - and then the learning to program second.

    But I enjoy the learning and am grateful for all those that have taken time to write tutorials - without which I would be hopelessly lost.

    Hopefully I haven't set the cat among the pigeons too much and will still be able to exchange posts and chat with folk.

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NickMystre View Post
    Hi Risk

    You know - perhaps I gave away more of myself than I realised. My time with RSB and PB wasn't soley about botting - I did really enjoy the programming side of things too. I just find myself so far behind on that front though that perhaps it was really the botting for me first - and then the learning to program second.

    But I enjoy the learning and am grateful for all those that have taken time to write tutorials - without which I would be hopelessly lost.

    Hopefully I haven't set the cat among the pigeons too much and will still be able to exchange posts and chat with folk.

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by grats View Post
    @Nick

    I've used simba to create diablo 2 bots (some easy following ones that attack) I've also used it to do my homework

    simba is a great tool


    @flight, the last post in that thread brings tears to my eyes!
    Hi grats

    Perhaps I should have given more time to just soaking up the forums vibe and engaging with Zyt3x and other folk on all types of programming before responding to this rant. And if I have offended - then I will be the first to acknowledge it. Zyt3x has obviously been a valued contributor to this forum for a long time - so in retrospect it was perhaps premature to go off like that.

    Still - if you can see past my foibles - I may still have a place here.

    Thx!

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    @Nick Adding to the list of scripts made.

    • Test taker for the US army online testing.
    • Neopets Scripts
    • Plants vs zombie scripts.
    • Diablo scripts.
    • Diablo 2 scripts.
    • Fate scripts.
    • Also some fast database writing stuff for work using forms to input data.


    Just my short list of various things I've made script for that aren't RS...

    "Sometimes User's don't need the Answer spelled out with Code. Sometimes all they need is guidance and explanation of the logic to get where they are going."

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    Quote Originally Posted by NickMystre View Post
    Hi grats

    Perhaps I should have given more time to just soaking up the forums vibe and engaging with Zyt3x and other folk on all types of programming before responding to this rant. And if I have offended - then I will be the first to acknowledge it. Zyt3x has obviously been a valued contributor to this forum for a long time - so in retrospect it was perhaps premature to go off like that.

    Still - if you can see past my foibles - I may still have a place here.

    Thx!
    This is the bashing club so you don't have to worry about that, but I don't think you fit the category of people zyt3x is mad at

    majority of the people here came to just bot and leech, even some mods have said they were originally leechers and then started scripting and went up in ranks, you can ask as many scripting questions you want in the help section they will get answered and you can find plenty of people to help you learn to do basic and advanced things...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zyt3x View Post
    What people don't understand is that there is a difference between "to bot" (verb) and "a bot" (substantive). "To bot" can be done with even a simple auto-clicker.
    I think you have captured it well here, Zyt3x. And I can understand that if the world of programming is what gets u up in the morning - then I can fully understand why it is that you feel so strongly.

    I am sure that with time - although I do not think you have nearly enough to make me the script writer I would like to be - that I will come along just nicely as a script writer and help the learning process move forward. (ie I will enjoy the journey much more than the destination)

    Thx!

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    Quote Originally Posted by grats View Post
    even some mods have said they were originally leechers and then started scripting and went up in ranks
    ^this was me almost 5 years ago

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    Quote Originally Posted by BraK View Post
    @Nick Adding to the list of scripts made.

    • Test taker for the US army online testing.
    • Neopets Scripts
    • Plants vs zombie scripts.
    • Diablo scripts.
    • Diablo 2 scripts.
    • Fate scripts.
    • Also some fast database writing stuff for work using forms to input data.


    Just my short list of various things I've made script for that aren't RS...
    My ignorance is clearly showing then. I need to look outside of my RS box and play around with Simba a whole lot more ...

    I suppose that anything that is colour base can be engaged.

    Thx!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NickMystre View Post
    Yes, I have read your post and I suspect that I may not have learned what you hoped I would. But I have to challenge you on this. Why are you so defensive on this matter ? As you illustrated, Simba scripts could be used to write a book - but they aren't - are they ? We are writing scripts for Simba to automate our character. DOes that sound better ? Why are you so offended when people called Simba / SRL / SPS / SMART / MSI a bot. Are we not kidding ourselves here ?

    Please correct me if I have missed something here. All I have seen so far on the villavu forum is directed towards RS and scripts to automate your character - aka bot - yes ? What other scripts are their on villavu and what else do they do - besides being used for Runescape. Perhaps I have missed your point Zyt3x - and please - help me if I have.
    bot /bät/
    Noun:
    1) The larva of the botfly, which is an internal parasite of animals.
    2) (chiefly in science fiction) A robot.


    None of the above things confine to this term. Simba is not a robot. Simba is a computer program that accepts scripted sequences of commands and executes them. Our scripts are not robots, they are a sequence of commands that our users have taken thousands of hours of their time to write, test, and perfect to the best of their ability.

    A macro [..] is a rule or pattern that specifies how a certain input sequence [..] should be mapped to an output sequence [..] according to a defined procedure.

    A macro is still a broad term, but it is much more accurate.

    You could call Simba/Simba scripts "bots", however you would be factually inaccurate and it's a dumb term. Calling Simba a bot is like a grandmother calling your computer a radio. It can do stuff similar to a radio, but is it a radio?

    Do you see the point here, or do I need to explain it better? I'm not at all flaming you, but trying to make you understand that calling Simba-related stuff a bot is very improper.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BraK View Post
    ^this was me almost 5 years ago
    yea, honestly (especially us 5+ years ago as little kids) no one looks for a community just to become a scripter, especially for free.. after you see the nice place exchanging abilities is a good way to keep it all balanced


    Quote Originally Posted by NickMystre View Post
    My ignorance is clearly showing then. I need to look outside of my RS box and play around with Simba a whole lot more ...

    I suppose that anything that is colour base can be engaged.

    Thx!
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    I made a few cool scripts that had nothing to do with Runescape. I made a bunch of scripts (and an include) for QueVille. Just recently I made a script that would play 'Imagine' (John Lennon) on an online virtual piano simply using keystrokes. I almost made ghost keys so it could be minimized lol.

    The point is Simba is a tool to do anything on a computer a normal human normally would. It's no way limited to Runescape, but because the majority of us use it for this purpose obviously you'll find more on that topic.

    Quote Originally Posted by NickMystre
    I think you have captured it well here, Zyt3x. And I can understand that if the world of programming is what gets u up in the morning - then I can fully understand why it is that you feel so strongly.

    I am sure that with time - although I do not think you have nearly enough to make me the script writer I would like to be - that I will come along just nicely as a script writer and help the learning process move forward. (ie I will enjoy the journey much more than the destination)

    Thx!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry View Post
    Do you see the point here, or do I need to explain it better? I'm not at all flaming you, but trying to make you understand that calling Simba-related stuff a bot is very improper.
    I am wondering if the answer isn't perhaps in how you use the Simba scripts.

    If your only motivation is to automate your RS character and for there to be absolutely no learning in why the script does what it does, or how to write one yourself, then a bot or botting would in my view not be an unreasonable use of the word(s).

    On the other hand, if there is a substantial learning component that takes precedence over the act of autoing / botting itself - then here script is a more correct name.

    Thx!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flight View Post
    Have some rep!
    I'm not going to pretend I know what this means - help me out here please, Flight!

    Thx!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NickMystre View Post
    I'm not going to pretend I know what this means - help me out here please, Flight!

    Thx!
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    Quote Originally Posted by i luffs yeww View Post

    ... Hope that helps.

    EDIT:

    Forgot to mention, an easy way to check your rep is to click on the "User CP" link in the very top left of the forums. Just under the logo (which changes, on purpose).
    Yes, that helps - thanks!

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    It is the post number.

    Quote Originally Posted by NickMystre View Post
    Yes, that helps - thanks!

    What is this number that appears within the QUOTE tag at the top of the page ?



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    Quote Originally Posted by NickMystre View Post
    I am wondering if the answer isn't perhaps in how you use the Simba scripts.

    If your only motivation is to automate your RS character and for there to be absolutely no learning in why the script does what it does, or how to write one yourself, then a bot or botting would in my view not be an unreasonable use of the word(s).

    On the other hand, if there is a substantial learning component that takes precedence over the act of autoing / botting itself - then here script is a more correct name.
    You do raise interesting points. You could say you are "botting" as a verb, and that would be accurate, I suppose. However, that does not make Simba/scripts (noun) become "bots". Their state has not changed.


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    I made tons of scripts having nothing to do with Runescape: IRC bot, a game (which is/used to be included with every SCAR install, see Tins.scar), obfuscator, quadratic equitation solver (lol).
    So Simba is not a bot.

    The complete package may be called a bot, but not the individual parts (and just saying 'the bot isnt workin!!!' is Plain. Annoying).
    I made a new script, check it out!.

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