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    Quote Originally Posted by the bank View Post
    The attractiveness of Java is the fact you can make use of more advanced methods than color searching. Essentially, this is Simba, running from within a SMART client, written in Java.

    I do not mean to say you are wasting your time, but why? Many bots have tried to be "just another bot" and look where it has landed them.

    Of course I understand your desire to shy away from direct injection, as powerbot shows us how stupid that is.


    I urge you - look into reflection. YES, you will have many huge hurdles, but you will end up with a bot that is one of a kind, and something that MIGHT actually catch on.

    Hurdle #1 = Writing an updater (I put this as a hurdle since you seem to have a limited client knowledge)

    Hurdle #2 = Dealing with multiple gamepacks (I suggest working off checksum - pulling all packs down and then storing field names in each specific pack inside of an SQL table - use the checksum as a key so the bot can request one easily)

    Hurdle #3 = Maintaining the updater through client revisions (this is why most bots monetize, but I maintained an updater for 2+ years no problem - just write a SOLID base)


    If you need some resources to be on your way, and are interested in this, here's some tutorials I wrote ages ago:

    Making a loader (URL & Jar): http://www.moparisthebest.com/smf/in...,294949.0.html
    Bytecode, Instructions & an Introduction to Client Hacking: http://www.moparisthebest.com/smf/in...,293125.0.html
    All About Accessor Methods & Interfaces: http://www.moparisthebest.com/smf/in...,293071.0.html
    Making a loader v2: http://www.moparisthebest.com/smf/in...,388301.0.html
    Simple Updater: http://www.moparisthebest.com/smf/in...,288851.0.html
    Reflection explorer: http://www.moparisthebest.com/smf/in...,299985.0.html


    And here are a couple by NOURLOL (super_):

    The client as an applet, AppletStub to the rescue!: http://www.moparisthebest.com/smf/in...c,11062.0.html
    The new "signlink" objects: http://www.moparisthebest.com/smf/in...c,11057.0.html


    Good luck - and feel free to message me if you need anything! I've built, developed, designed and maintained 3 different bots during my 10 year stay in this scene - I never mind lending a hand.

    Once again don't take this as me saying "you're wasting your time bud" instead take it as "if youre going to do something - do it right".
    powerbot have stop using injection, i think you get to go back to get a update about your info.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WYD View Post
    powerbot have stop using injection, i think you get to go back to get a update about your info.
    No, they haven't, and you're an idiot if you believe they have. Please, download their client, and take even HALF of a peek before making yourself look like a fool.....

    Cheers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the bank View Post
    No, they haven't, and you're an idiot if you believe they have. Please, download their client, and take even HALF of a peek before making yourself look like a fool.....

    Cheers.
    Have you looked at rsbot 7?
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    <slacky> I will ban reflection and OGL hooking until we know what the hell is going on

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    Quote Originally Posted by the bank View Post
    No, they haven't, and you're an idiot if you believe they have. Please, download their client, and take even HALF of a peek before making yourself look like a fool.....

    Cheers.
    Called me that one more time and i report you m8, You not believer me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harrier View Post
    Have you looked at rsbot 7?
    Yes I have, essentially its a joke.

    RSCA used to say literally the exact same thing about the Nexus bot (I was a Global Mod over at RSCA when it was still the biggest cheating site) - and look where that landed them.

    To quote RSBot 7 - "hybrid instrumentation and reflection engine". Essentially "yes - we use reflection for some things - and instrumentation (pssst - means injection) for the things that are too hard to do with reflection (like models)".

    This is exactly the way Nexus worked, and it led to one of the largest ban waves to ever occur.


    There is also a fundamental issue with the way RSBot/PowerBot works. This goes back to my hurdle #2 .

    They only actually patch one gamepack - and everyone running RSBot/PowerBot is running that one patched gamepack. Until that is fixed, you won't catch me dead risking an account on that platform.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the bank View Post
    before making yourself look like a fool.....

    Cheers.
    I am the only Fool around here!... i can't believe your attacking someone who has made this community their home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AFools View Post
    I am the only Fool around here!... i can't believe your attacking someone who has made this community their home.
    RIP :-( , Now we need to find a new home because we are homeless now :-(
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    Quote Originally Posted by the bank View Post
    The attractiveness of Java is the fact you can make use of more advanced methods than color searching. Essentially, this is Simba, running from within a SMART client, written in Java.

    I do not mean to say you are wasting your time, but why? Many bots have tried to be "just another bot" and look where it has landed them.

    Of course I understand your desire to shy away from direct injection, as powerbot shows us how stupid that is.


    I urge you - look into reflection. YES, you will have many huge hurdles, but you will end up with a bot that is one of a kind, and something that MIGHT actually catch on.
    I think you have bitten of more then you can chew here mate!

    Hoodz is not interested in reflection! You insinuate that this is just another botting client! This isn't even my project and i find your statement offensive!

    Hoodz has stated that he works on this in 'spare time' when he can be bothered, this project is a learning curve for Hoodz. The fact that Hoodz has posted this here is a treat! i wake up every morning excited to see if any 'public' progress has been made.

    I too will embark on a similar journey later this year to write my own client; IT IS A LEARNING CURVE.

    Most of us are here to explore Coding languages and the wealth of knowledge i have found in this community is unparalleled! A colour bot is universal over other games or private servers (with a few tweaks)

    i see only genesis swimming upstream; claiming A UNIVERSAL BOTTING CLIENT - besides building the obfuscation client to grab hooks; Colour requires more effort than reflection.

    Reflection VS Colour
    Will lead to a whole host of arguments; i have my bias which is very clear. But i respect both avenues.


    I've built, developed, designed and maintained 3 different bots during my 10 year stay in this scene
    Links please???

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    Quote Originally Posted by the bank View Post
    Yes I have, essentially its a joke.

    RSCA used to say literally the exact same thing about the Nexus bot (I was a Global Mod over at RSCA when it was still the biggest cheating site) - and look where that landed them.

    To quote RSBot 7 - "hybrid instrumentation and reflection engine". Essentially "yes - we use reflection for some things - and instrumentation (pssst - means injection) for the things that are too hard to do with reflection (like models)".

    This is exactly the way Nexus worked, and it led to one of the largest ban waves to ever occur.


    There is also a fundamental issue with the way RSBot/PowerBot works. This goes back to my hurdle #2 .

    They only actually patch one gamepack - and everyone running RSBot/PowerBot is running that one patched gamepack. Until that is fixed, you won't catch me dead risking an account on that platform.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AFools View Post
    I think you have bitten of more then you can chew here mate!

    Hoodz is not interested in reflection! You insinuate that this is just another botting client! This isn't even my project and i find your statement offensive!

    Hoodz has stated that he works on this in 'spare time' when he can be bothered, this project is a learning curve for Hoodz. The fact that Hoodz has posted this here is a treat! i wake up every morning excited to see if any 'public' progress has been made.

    I too will embark on a similar journey later this year to write my own client; IT IS A LEARNING CURVE.

    Most of us are here to explore Coding languages and the wealth of knowledge i have found in this community is unparalleled! A colour bot is universal over other games or private servers (with a few tweaks)

    i see only genesis swimming upstream; claiming A UNIVERSAL BOTTING CLIENT - besides building the obfuscation client to grab hooks; Colour requires more effort than reflection.

    Reflection VS Colour
    Will lead to a whole host of arguments; i have my bias which is very clear. But i respect both avenues.




    Links please???
    Buddy, your words are misplaced. I respect @hoodz; greatly and he knows that. This is why I put so much emphasis on what I was trying to say. YOU need to learn the difference between constructive encouragement between friends, and "offense".

    Quite frankly, I don't even know who you are. And saying things like "obfuscation client to grab hooks" and "i see only genesis swimming upstream" and "write my own client" also leads me to believe you have literally zero idea what you're talking about what so ever and are just trying to hop on Hoodz' dick - without realizing we are 100% chill with eachother.

    As for the links you so "offensively" asked me for - sure, I can provide you with names of all the projects I have been credited with:

    Nexus/iBot (One of 4 official nexus developers - also maintained the lite client - this was the biggest and most successful bot to ever exist)
    Arcanum (A pilot project I did with Ollie and a couple other old timers; reflection based bot with color hybrid abilities)
    Avenger (My bot with VBCoderX released for free and open source; completely reflection powered - only died when I left the scene)


    Tell me again, who bit off more than they can chew?

    I want to learn to like you - but you make it incredibly hard when you are a complete new comer (relatively speaking) and show ZERO respect for the people who helped pave the scene before you.

    Quote Originally Posted by WYD View Post
    My interpretation was based on their own words. I'd like to see "Chris" deny that instrumentation isn't just a filler word they're using for injection.

    I apologize in advance for the triple post.

    I just wanted to say that I'm done with this back and forth bickering. Were arguing the semantics of a botting system intended for a children's game. I can't rightfully say that's a useful expression of any of our time.

    Lets agree to disagree, use whatever system you'd like and I will stick to my preferences. I wish all of you a very happy and successful new year lets stop clogging up hoodz's thread with this shit.
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    Learn to like me? or
    Quite frankly, I don't even know who you are.
    there is no requirement for this; a new comer? This forum succeeded from the older http://www.kaitnieks.com/scar/ and scar forums. I join this forum on the 12-26-2006 && Anonymity is priceless..

    I have watched the EBB and Flow of this forum and development for almost 10 years... If it wasn't for this community i would never have return to coding or anything to do with computers for that matter..

    I would suggest you contributed to those clients; maybe even a major contributor. So what? Nexus is dead and got sued afaik.. Ollie i would never step on his toes and i'm still interested as to a link. (non-sarcastic or "offensively") as you might put it?

    You make me laugh!
    trying to hop on Hoodz' dick - without realizing we are 100% chill with each other.
    if you were 'chill' with Hoodz why would you not engage in this conversation in private?
    ** the links will come in great use for my project - thank you for those.

    Well i believe Kyle/Elfyyy has provided a tutorial on writing your own "(de)obfuscation client to grab hooks" - [I stand corrected; Brandon Provided a tutorial]
    Same goes with "write my own client" - I will more than likely write mine using reflection. A great example - http://www.exilent.org/ -
    I simply don't have the time till after June.


    I don't want to side track this thread anymore than it is; this thread is a development thread. Should you want to engage in some constructive exchanges you know where the Personal Message button is.. i have refrained from engaging in some of your other comments in a public thread my friend.

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    I think you guys are completely missing the point that @the bank; (attempted to) make. This project is quite interested as there aren't really any java color bots out there AFAIK, but if you're going through all this trouble, why not add reflection? Even if you have color also, it is literally 3 lines of code to grab a static field from the gamepack using reflection, and a couple more if an instance of the class must be created.

    Quote Originally Posted by AFools View Post
    Well i believe Kyle/Elfyyy has provided a tutorial on writing your own "obfuscation client to grab hooks" -
    Brandon wrote the updater guide, but yeah that's not really what it is.. Rs obfuscates their gamepack, so an updater (in simplest form) takes the gamepack, decompiles all the classes/methods/fields/instructions, uses some sort of deobfuscation technique (hopefully) and finds patterns in the pack to find which field is which and which class is which. All a "hook" is, is the current name of a field within the client, nothing more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the bank View Post
    (I put this as a hurdle since you seem to have a limited client knowledge)
    nope, i know the client pretty well and how reflection works.
    I started working with reflection at around revision 16 of the osr gamepack.

    The only reason why i don't use reflection/injection is because this is just a project for FUN and to learn something. I've worked on other botclients too so just wanted to do something else.

    edit: to EVERYONE, keep it on topic or I will simply remove the thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the bank View Post
    The attractiveness of Java is the fact you can make use of more advanced methods than color searching. Essentially, this is Simba, running from within a SMART client, written in Java.

    I do not mean to say you are wasting your time, but why? Many bots have tried to be "just another bot" and look where it has landed them.

    Of course I understand your desire to shy away from direct injection, as powerbot shows us how stupid that is.


    I urge you - look into reflection. YES, you will have many huge hurdles, but you will end up with a bot that is one of a kind, and something that MIGHT actually catch on.

    Hurdle #1 = Writing an updater (I put this as a hurdle since you seem to have a limited client knowledge)

    Hurdle #2 = Dealing with multiple gamepacks (I suggest working off checksum - pulling all packs down and then storing field names in each specific pack inside of an SQL table - use the checksum as a key so the bot can request one easily)

    Hurdle #3 = Maintaining the updater through client revisions (this is why most bots monetize, but I maintained an updater for 2+ years no problem - just write a SOLID base)


    If you need some resources to be on your way, and are interested in this, here's some tutorials I wrote ages ago:

    Making a loader (URL & Jar): http://www.moparisthebest.com/smf/in...,294949.0.html
    Bytecode, Instructions & an Introduction to Client Hacking: http://www.moparisthebest.com/smf/in...,293125.0.html
    All About Accessor Methods & Interfaces: http://www.moparisthebest.com/smf/in...,293071.0.html
    Making a loader v2: http://www.moparisthebest.com/smf/in...,388301.0.html
    Simple Updater: http://www.moparisthebest.com/smf/in...,288851.0.html
    Reflection explorer: http://www.moparisthebest.com/smf/in...,299985.0.html


    And here are a couple by NOURLOL (super_):

    The client as an applet, AppletStub to the rescue!: http://www.moparisthebest.com/smf/in...c,11062.0.html
    The new "signlink" objects: http://www.moparisthebest.com/smf/in...c,11057.0.html


    Good luck - and feel free to message me if you need anything! I've built, developed, designed and maintained 3 different bots during my 10 year stay in this scene - I never mind lending a hand.

    Once again don't take this as me saying "you're wasting your time bud" instead take it as "if youre going to do something - do it right".
    Wow you have a bunch of awesome information in this one comment. Really nice! I agree with you on the reflection part. I'm going to PM you if you don't mind in the future if I have any questions regarding development of a bot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by One Kid View Post
    I agree with you on the reflection part.
    you guys really do NOT get it... ive already have experience with reflection, this is just as a side project. look at my previous post.

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    Are you going to write your own point arranging functions or will you be using the ones that are here

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    Quote Originally Posted by rj View Post
    Are you going to write your own point arranging functions or will you be using the ones that are here
    so far I wrote everything from scratch

    edit: with everything i mean all the point arranging functions.
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    Hey man, nice work. It looks awesome and i do like that it's 100% colour based.

    But how are you going to handle difficult place such as the blast furnace where pretty much everything is the same color. This is a question and not critique as i'm shure you have the colour based scripting 100% down. It's just that i can't really get it to work 100% of the time, and thus sometimes have to use something like reflection.
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    Nothing wrong with the bank's suggestions, I don't know why this turned into questioning his credentials

    IMO java + color is a unique combination and should get some interest/use from the people here at villa. It is true that java is more robust and opens up more possibilities. All bots that currently use reflection/OpenGL/injection use java, because it lets them make the most of those methods. While color is more primitive, I think it can still benefit from moving away from the limitations of simba (such as making use of multiple threads).

    If reflection is added to pumba, the difference between it and tripbot/epicbot/rsbot/etc is that the shitty community won't come with it. If you want to write a java script using reflection, you have many options already. Although, anything beyond color isn't really 'great' in simba, because it wasn't designed for those things (e.g. such as lack of models in reflection). If this did have reflection, people might jump ship pretty quickly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rune3132 View Post
    Hey man, nice work. It looks awesome and i do like that it's 100% colour based.

    But how are you going to handle difficult place such as the blast furnace where pretty much everything is the same color. This is a question and not critique as i'm shure you have the colour based scripting 100% down. It's just that i can't really get it to work 100% of the time, and thus sometimes have to use something like reflection.
    im sure I'll find a solution for it.
    Quote Originally Posted by The Simba Noob View Post
    Nothing wrong with the bank's suggestions, I don't know why this turned into questioning his credentials

    IMO java + color is a unique combination and should get some interest/use from the people here at villa. It is true that java is more robust and opens up more possibilities. All bots that currently use reflection/OpenGL/injection use java, because it lets them make the most of those methods. While color is more primitive, I think it can still benefit from moving away from the limitations of simba (such as making use of multiple threads).

    If reflection is added to pumba, the difference between it and tripbot/epicbot/rsbot/etc is that the shitty community won't come with it. If you want to write a java script using reflection, you have many options already. Although, anything beyond color isn't really 'great' in simba, because it wasn't designed for those things (e.g. such as lack of models in reflection). If this did have reflection, people might jump ship pretty quickly.
    it's just my choice


    OP:
    updated main post with updates and progress.

    here a little preview of the script selector (fully working)

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    Quote Originally Posted by hoodz View Post
    im sure I'll find a solution for it.

    it's just my choice


    OP:
    updated main post with updates and progress.

    here a little preview of the script selector (fully working)
    Hoodz you have done it again! =D

    Amazing work as usual; i see you have included scripts you have previously released publicly, for the time being; does that mean the scripts made with 'simba' natively compile in PUMBA? (colour ofc)

    I am just curious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AFools View Post
    Hoodz you have done it again! =D

    Amazing work as usual; as i see you have included two scripts you have previously released for the time being; does that mean the scripts made with 'simba' natively compile in PUMBA?

    I am just curious.
    no they have to rewritten from scratch in java, but thats not really a problem since my current simba scripts kinda suck at the moment to be honest. The nightmare zone script is an actually working script which i run all day long, the fletcher is just an empty script to give a better view of the scriptlist.

    and thank you for the kind words.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the bank View Post
    I urge you - look into reflection. YES, you will have many huge hurdles, but you will end up with a bot that is one of a kind, and something that MIGHT actually catch on.
    lmfao if you really want something that has potential you would be better off using injection.
    hoodz is just doing it for fun though so it doesnt matter - using color is more challenging in some ways, too

    Quote Originally Posted by the bank View Post
    They only actually patch one gamepack - and everyone running RSBot/PowerBot is running that one patched gamepack. Until that is fixed, you won't catch me dead risking an account on that platform.
    this is not true, they run their updater on a server and generate hooks for gamepacks as needed

    perhaps you should actually do some research b4 saying such things (instrumentation is the same as injection, u ok m8?)
    no offence but u know very little for someone who has been in the scene for 10 years
    lol i just realised that ur marneus901
    please refrain from posting
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dogerina View Post
    lmfao if you really want something that has potential you would be better off using injection.
    hoodz is just doing it for fun though so it doesnt matter - using color is more challenging in some ways, too


    this is not true, they run their updater on a server and generate hooks for gamepacks as needed

    perhaps you should actually do some research b4 saying such things (instrumentation is the same as injection, u ok m8?)
    no offence but u know very little for someone who has been in the scene for 10 years
    lol i just realised that ur marneus901
    please refrain from posting
    Who is marneus901 ?

    I'm this guy. Registered in 2008.
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    Really looking forward to trying this Pumba, I cant find any sort of download so i'm presuming there has been no release yet. Keep up the good work.

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