Banned mining Iron

[Fisher]

Just got my account banned while powermining iron at Varrock. Was using Ashaman's powerminer. I didn't lose much, and have yet to be chainbanned to the rest of my accounts (cross my fingers).

The account I lost was nothing special, but I think I learned a thing or two about banning. I was running roughly 7-8 hours daily, rather systematically, starting at 3, ending around 11, to simulate a schedule, and everything was good. I watched for other people and talked a little. But then I got cocky, thinking I couldn't get banned. I came back to my computer and noticed someone call me out for botting. The very next day I kept going and I come back to find my account perm banned...

Either way, this ban isn't going to slow me down, expect to be seeing more of me Jagex!

[theholyone]

don't think the reports had much to do with it. i've been reporting this 138 at edgeville super-heating for literally 12hrs a day probably more, and he's still kicking.

I think they've just updated their detection / pattern detections.

~ have spent more than 30 bonds and have made nothing so far.


edit: yeah. somethings wrong. a guy that I was planning to use to test a script botted for like 10 minutes and he's banned lol

[yaRR]

don't think the reports had much to do with it. i've been reporting this 138 at edgeville super-heating for literally 12hrs a day probably more, and he's still kicking.

I think they've just updated their detection / pattern detections.

~ have spent more than 30 bonds and have made nothing so far.


edit: yeah. somethings wrong. a guy that I was planning to use to test a script botted for like 10 minutes and he's banned lol

Considering you're on a botting forum, don't you find that slightly hypocritical?

[Lama]

Damn

[Barton]

don't think the reports had much to do with it. i've been reporting this 138 at edgeville super-heating for literally 12hrs a day probably more, and he's still kicking.

I think they've just updated their detection / pattern detections.

~ have spent more than 30 bonds and have made nothing so far.


edit: yeah. somethings wrong. a guy that I was planning to use to test a script botted for like 10 minutes and he's banned lol

Lol why are you on a botting forum...? Quite sad tbh.

[Harrier]

Lol why are you on a botting forum...? Quite sad tbh.

Since the idea of Villavu/Simba/SRL is to blend in with the players, and not be an obvious bot. You'll noticed a lot of the higher ups will tell you to report obvious bots (Goldfarmers mainly).

[theholyone]

Damn

LOL didn't even notice this XD.
Guess my post just made him so mad he decided to spend his first post on it XD

To answer your question;

This guy made it so obvious it was sicking. I don't think he even used any breaks lol either that or his breaks matched mine perfectly which i highly doubt

[meep152]

Seriously, what's with the stigma against reporting obvious bots? Take into mind the following situation. I only bot 1 or 2 accounts at a time, on the same world each time, so if someone just dumps 10+ bots onto my world and botting location, of course I'm going to report them since they ruined a perfectly good method: In my opinion, an influx of obvious bots in one location draws Jagex's attention, meaning that *all* the bots - his and mine- in that location will be nuked.

And on a side note, I think its funny how the accounts calling out theholyone are extremely new or have not contributed nearly as much as he has to the forums. Makes you wonder what authority they have to question other member's reasons to be on the forums.

Anyway, end rant - to address the OP, shame to hear about the ban, especially on Ashaman's script which has pretty good antiban. Maybe it's the location you are botting? Powermining at varrock implies F2P, so maybe try a location which has less goldfarmers on it. Rimmington is pretty good for iron powermining, as is the Wilderness Hobgoblin mine, if your account's defence is high enough to tank the hobgoblins for the first 15 minutes.

Either way, good luck with the remainder of your accounts and stay safe!

[theholyone]

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Just a little correction; I have actually not contributed anything to the community as of date besides dumb questions and comments lol

IMO it doesn't really matter how densely packed a place for bots is, its really up to jagex whether or not they want to ban.

take for example varrock east mines.

24/7 bots there mining iron, some are even 80+ mining. ( very rare though )

at the end of the day, reason for bans can have 10 x 10^333333333 possibilities

maybe just unlucky sometimes, maybe script, who knows.


on that note: if you want to power-mine, i'd really go for mayor's VEB.

used that script to level my mining to 60 F2P, bought a bond and now im @ roughly 75 ( this is my main )

[Citrus]

I don't see a problem with reporting other bots, especially if they're really obvious. I also don't believe in breaks or antiban, so I probably get reported a lot

[arclight]

Did you regularly play on that account? I think if you solely are powerleveling one stat like that for more than a week or so, it would be suspicious. The systematic start and stop time would be suspicious too.

[hackingislol133]

Since the idea of Villavu/Simba/SRL is to blend in with the players, and not be an obvious bot. You'll noticed a lot of the higher ups will tell you to report obvious bots (Goldfarmers mainly).

Why in the world would you ever report another bot? I've never understood the rationale behind doing something like that..

No one knows how Jagex's detection telemetry works therefore it's in every botter's best interests to try to mitigate the chances of attracting any type of attention to their botting character as much as possible.

We don't know how reports are handled. If they are followed up personally, put into some kind of report tally, a screenshot of the reporting player's gamescreen, a coin is flipped. We have no idea. Therefore, in the interest of frugality, it is in the interest of every botter (whether your script is good or not) to not report any other players whether they be bots or not.

[Joopi]

Why in the world would you ever report another bot? I've never understood the rationale behind doing something like that..

No one knows how Jagex's detection telemetry works therefore it's in every botter's best interests to try to mitigate the chances of attracting any type of attention to their botting character as much as possible.

We don't know how reports are handled. If they are followed up personally, put into some kind of report tally, a screenshot of the reporting player's gamescreen, a coin is flipped. We have no idea. Therefore, in the interest of frugality, it is in the interest of every botter (whether your script is good or not) to not report any other players whether they be bots or not.

We as in who? You speak like everyone here agrees on that, I don't atleast. Why on earth would reporting someone put the reporting player up in some kind of botwatch ladder? I mean that goes against logic, most if not all bots aren't programmed to report anyone afaik.

By the looks of it you aren't thinking at all what you are saying, you are just trying to stir up some shit.
But oh well. I guess I let you accomplish that didn't I.

[hackingislol133]

We as in who? You speak like everyone here agrees on that, I don't atleast. Why on earth would reporting someone put the reporting player up in some kind of botwatch ladder? I mean that goes against logic, most if not all bots aren't programmed to report anyone afaik.

By the looks of it you aren't thinking at all what you are saying, you are just trying to stir up some shit.
But oh well. I guess I let you accomplish that didn't I.

Reporting bots is not the dominant strategy. I think you missed the point so I'll illustrate it.

Let's assume your report results in a bot being banned. Over the course of years, your reports leads to the bannings of hundreds of bots. What did you gain from this? Assuming that you're running a moneymaking script like mining iron or something, you've probably bolstered your profit as a result of the banned bots no longer contributing to the supply of iron.

But how much extra gold did you gain? I'm willing to bet not a lot. The hundreds of iron mining bots you helped to ban probably isn't even a visible fraction of the actual amount of iron mining bots in the game. Further more, every time you ban a bot, the self-interested human controller that bot will likely just produce another one.

Was it worth it? Was reporting all of those bots when you don't know the repercussions of your actions worth the marginal profit you gained through their disappearance? I used the word "we" very specifically because no one knows how Jagex's anti-cheat system works. We don't know any of the factors that are factored into bannings. People believe Jagex uses a handful of methods: mouse movement, breaks, IP, frequency, time-logged in, etc. All valid guesses, but again no one knows what the actual factors are. Because "we" do not know what factors contribute to bannings, the dominant strategy is to assume anything and everything could contribute to detection. In an environment where there are countless numbers of unknowns, the dominant strategy is to maximize frugality to leave the smallest possible footprint on the environment.

[kiwikiwi]

That's a shame mate - try and do this in less populated worlds. I got banned runecrafting due to a report.