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    Default Simba doesn't work at ALL on either PC

    Simba on both of my PC's just stopped working. Every time I "getColor(anyPoint)", it shows up as 0. The issue on my laptop is very recent, I was botting on NXT with Color for the past ~7 months, but it stopped working for some random reason. Any ideas on how I can fix this? I'd really like to get it fixed before tomorrow morning!

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    id you try turning it on and off again

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    Quote Originally Posted by rj View Post
    id you try turning it on and off again
    Sarcasm aside, I did. I also reinstalled it a couple times, along with a few different versions.

    this:

    Simba Code:
    writeln(GetColor(Random(500) ,Random(500)));

    in a for loop just spits out continuous 0's.

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    Could it be a new graphics card driver update? I saw a new nvidia driver was released 2 days ago and had some "High-bit-depth (10/12-bit) decoding (VP9/HEVC)" updates, maybe that could be messing with it.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comm...ussion_thread/

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    Quote Originally Posted by deejaay View Post
    Could it be a new graphics card driver update? I saw a new nvidia driver was released 2 days ago and had some "High-bit-depth (10/12-bit) decoding (VP9/HEVC)" updates, maybe that could be messing with it.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comm...ussion_thread/
    This shouldn't matter, as my laptop is running Intel HD Graphics on W10, and my PC is running an RX480 @ W8... I'll give it a try though.

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    Just tested, simba was able to grab the colors of the targetted nxt client. I use the dtm editor as a quick way of seeing what's up. http://i.imgur.com/42q3X82.png This is a natively ran windows 8.
    Yours is likely all black. idk why, I've had it as a problem before on a VM https://villavu.com/forum/showthread...343&highlight=

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    Quote Originally Posted by acow View Post
    Just tested, simba was able to grab the colors of the targetted nxt client. I use the dtm editor as a quick way of seeing what's up. http://i.imgur.com/42q3X82.png This is a natively ran windows 8.
    Yours is likely all black. idk why, I've had it as a problem before on a VM https://villavu.com/forum/showthread...343&highlight=
    Is your PC fully updated and stuff? Maybe is was a recent OS update

    @OP Can simba get a bitmap of the whole desktop?
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    Quote Originally Posted by acow View Post
    Just tested, simba was able to grab the colors of the targetted nxt client. I use the dtm editor as a quick way of seeing what's up. http://i.imgur.com/42q3X82.png This is a natively ran windows 8.
    Yours is likely all black. idk why, I've had it as a problem before on a VM https://villavu.com/forum/showthread...343&highlight=
    Quote Originally Posted by Harrier View Post
    Is your PC fully updated and stuff? Maybe is was a recent OS update

    @OP Can simba get a bitmap of the whole desktop?

    I did a system restore on my laptop about 20 minutes back and it seems to be working fine now. I'll try and fix it on my PC by updating to W10 via my school's free MS products.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harrier View Post
    Is your PC fully updated and stuff? Maybe is was a recent OS update
    This question is @ me?

    The VM's OS (8 months ago) was likely not fully up to date at the time, no. The native windows 8 currently is not fully up to date either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acow View Post
    This question is @ me?

    The VM's OS (8 months ago) was likely not fully up to date at the time, no. The native windows 8 currently is not fully up to date either.
    Yep, windows updates aren't stable at the best of times
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sin View Post
    Simba on both of my PC's just stopped working. Every time I "getColor(anyPoint)", it shows up as 0.
    This is because Windows10 uses DirectX12 with double buffering and layered-windows to render certain things. Example: "Windows Calculator". Someone else reported that Simba wasn't able to capture any of the Windows10 apps. I'm actually unsure on how it decides whether to do this or not..

    If it works for you on Windows 8 and not Windows 10, that is the answer to "why". Yes, Simba can capture Direct-X in some cases, but in a lot of cases it actually can't.

    Sometimes, it's not even because of Direct-X or OpenGL. It's because the window has layering on it. So Simba captures the top layer of the window but doesn't see the bottom (which only yours eyes see.. top layer is transparent and capturing it renders as black -- I have tested this myself). https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms997507.aspx

    You "might" be able to fix it by turning off certain themes or effects in Windows Settings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brandon View Post
    This is because Windows10 uses DirectX12 with double buffering and layered-windows to render certain things. Example: "Windows Calculator". Someone else reported that Simba wasn't able to capture any of the Windows10 apps. I'm actually unsure on how it decides whether to do this or not..

    If it works for you on Windows 8 and not Windows 10, that is the answer to "why". Yes, Simba can capture Direct-X in some cases, but in a lot of cases it actually can't.

    Sometimes, it's not even because of Direct-X or OpenGL. It's because the window has layering on it. So Simba captures the top layer of the window but doesn't see the bottom (which only yours eyes see.. top layer is transparent and capturing it renders as black -- I have tested this myself). https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms997507.aspx

    You "might" be able to fix it by turning off certain themes or effects in Windows Settings.
    So how would we remove these "layers"? I'd assume we'd need to modify the source code of the application?

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