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    I agree with YoHoJo on this ... perhaps the MOST shocking revelation in that video was that 40-50% of players on a MONTHLY basis are engaged in buying RSGP!!! You have got to be kidding me ... thats absurdly high ... no wonder they rarely ban for RWT ... that would remove 50% of their subscriber base! I have bought gold 1x and hired someone to get me a cape 2x ... I want to buy more gold but I feel I would rather buy from a trusted member here than with bonds ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by digitalninja View Post
    I agree with YoHoJo on this ... perhaps the MOST shocking revelation in that video was that 40-50% of players on a MONTHLY basis are engaged in buying RSGP!!! You have got to be kidding me ... thats absurdly high ... no wonder they rarely ban for RWT ... that would remove 50% of their subscriber base! I have bought gold 1x and hired someone to get me a cape 2x ... I want to buy more gold but I feel I would rather buy from a trusted member here than with bonds ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by BMWxi View Post
    Rs has been pay-to-win for a long time, they're just going further.
    A whole new level though...

    Quote Originally Posted by smurg View Post
    I guess it's pay 2 win if you like paying $150 for a 99.

    But then again, it always has been; now it's just not ban-worthy and 2-3x the price.
    And the average kid in this generation would just take there parents' credit card...

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    I'm glad for once they thought about things, yes it is now play 2 win but come on! they seem to be trying!

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    Quote Originally Posted by John View Post
    I'm glad for once they thought about things, yes it is now play 2 win but come on! they seem to be trying!
    They lost a couple Pmods today.

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    Goldfarmers are in trouble. People are much more willing to buy from Jagex where they have zero chance of being scammed or banned, even if it costs a bit more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by digitalninja View Post
    I agree with YoHoJo on this ... perhaps the MOST shocking revelation in that video was that 40-50% of players on a MONTHLY basis are engaged in buying RSGP!!! You have got to be kidding me ... thats absurdly high ... no wonder they rarely ban for RWT ... that would remove 50% of their subscriber base! I have bought gold 1x and hired someone to get me a cape 2x ... I want to buy more gold but I feel I would rather buy from a trusted member here than with bonds ...

    Why do you think jagex would be hesitant to ban anyone? This doesn't make any sense. If jagex doesn't do anything about the game and all the legit players quit, there'd be no one to buy these gold coins because botters would have no reason to bot or buy gold.. Ppl would be botting for nothing. There'd be no competition.

    It'd actually be beneficial to them if they banned every bot out there. Even if it means the botters quit. They'd get more legit players.


    I just lol'd at how everyone immediately brings up Yohojo for "gold farming & blackmarket" threads.. Not sure if that's a good or bad thing tbh..
    That video just looks like a desperate cry for help to their player base..
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    Look at him trying not to laugh as he announces it at 1:49


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    Quote Originally Posted by Officer Barbrady View Post
    Look at him trying not to laugh as he announces it at 1:49

    Where is the pokerface!
    Really think that was included to video on purpose, must be.

    Pretty interesting video, even though I am not really interested of RuneScape as a game at all anymore these days (I don't play or script).

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    I like how he had to pound the benefits of the end-all solution before even revealing what the hell he was talking about...

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    and yes, I'm gonna be a lot more active now to get that 300 if the implications of this are what everyone seems to conclude...

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    These are clearly the wrong signals to spread to a cheating community like ours.

    • First off: there is this andragoge expression on MMG's face. (MMG? MMG?) The forced smile, the "you can go safely to sleep now" sociopathical approach. I really dislike people that do this trick. And he does it over and over again in his vid.
    • Second: he admits -for the first time, and with the same pointless smile- 40-50% of their userbase is actually buying rs-gp...on a fairly regular base. Ouch.
    • Third he admits to have removed 3.7 trillion. Waaah? Thats a market crash!
    • Fourth: he declares the economy stable. Hell yeah, by removing 3.7 tril gp?
    • Fifth: if I understood correctly, I can now by a Bond and sell it for rsgp on the GE, right? So ultimately Bonds will dictate the value of rsgp outside rs, and since Jagex is distributing these themselves, they now control the market fully.
    • Six: he declares cheating dead. Wrong words my friend, I accept the challenge. I will come back to cheating only to proove you wrong, even though I dont have that time at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WT-Fakawi View Post
    These are clearly the wrong signals to spread to a cheating community like ours.

    • First off: there is this andragoge expression on MMG's face. (MMG? MMG?) The forced smile, the "you can go safely to sleep now" sociopathical approach. I really dislike people that do this trick. And he does it over and over again in his vid.
    • Second: he admits -for the first time, and with the same pointless smile- 40-50% of their userbase is actually buying rs-gp...on a fairly regular base. Ouch.
    • Third he admits to have removed 3.7 trillion. Waaah? Thats a market crash!
    • Fourth: he declares the economy stable. Hell yeah, by removing 3.7 tril gp?
    • Fifth: if I understood correctly, I can now by a Bond and sell it for rsgp on the GE, right? So ultimately Bonds will dictate the value of rsgp outside rs, and since Jagex is distributing these themselves, they now control the market fully.
    • Six: he declares cheating dead. Wrong words my friend, I accept the challenge. I will come back to cheating only to proove you wrong, even though I dont have that time at all.
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    From what I've been told, meh. It's exactly the same as what EVE online does, and doesn't hurt the game at all (in fact, it enhances it). However, RS and EVE are entirely different games, especially where ISK is much harder to get than GP, so we'll have to see how it pans out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel View Post
    From what I've been told, meh. It's exactly the same as what EVE online does, and doesn't hurt the game at all (in fact, it enhances it). However, RS and EVE are entirely different games, especially where ISK is much harder to get than GP, so we'll have to see how it pans out.
    EVE isk is still being sold on various sites, including playerauctions. I assume it will be the same with rsgp.

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    How responsive to feedback does everyone think Jagex will be about this change, given its definitive and swift implementation? I mean, if everyone on the forums just rants the hell out of bonds, is there any possibility for them to rescind, or even just alter their decision based on feedback? Obviously, this would cause them to look stupid, especially the sooner the change takes place. Also, if they have some epiphany that bonds are horrible and the entire player base despises them, what then? The decision was just so definitive and unexpected that I can't say any outcome to be good for Jagex, taking into account people's inherent dispositions to dislike and avoid change.

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    That sounds intresting, hopefully goldfarming dies!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brandon View Post
    Why do you think jagex would be hesitant to ban anyone? This doesn't make any sense. If jagex doesn't do anything about the game and all the legit players quit, there'd be no one to buy these gold coins because botters would have no reason to bot or buy gold.. Ppl would be botting for nothing. There'd be no competition.

    It'd actually be beneficial to them if they banned every bot out there. Even if it means the botters quit. They'd get more legit players.


    I just lol'd at how everyone immediately brings up Yohojo for "gold farming & blackmarket" threads.. Not sure if that's a good or bad thing tbh..
    That video just looks like a desperate cry for help to their player base..
    No no ... I am not talking about banning bots/gold farmers ... I am saying Jagex wouldnt have a game if they banned the 40-50% of legit players that BUY gold ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by WT-Fakawi View Post
    These are clearly the wrong signals to spread to a cheating community like ours.

    • First off: there is this andragoge expression on MMG's face. (MMG? MMG?) The forced smile, the "you can go safely to sleep now" sociopathical approach. I really dislike people that do this trick. And he does it over and over again in his vid.
    • Second: he admits -for the first time, and with the same pointless smile- 40-50% of their userbase is actually buying rs-gp...on a fairly regular base. Ouch.
    • Third he admits to have removed 3.7 trillion. Waaah? Thats a market crash!
    • Fourth: he declares the economy stable. Hell yeah, by removing 3.7 tril gp?
    • Fifth: if I understood correctly, I can now by a Bond and sell it for rsgp on the GE, right? So ultimately Bonds will dictate the value of rsgp outside rs, and since Jagex is distributing these themselves, they now control the market fully.
    • Six: he declares cheating dead. Wrong words my friend, I accept the challenge. I will come back to cheating only to proove you wrong, even though I dont have that time at all.
    This is the silliest post on this subject seen yet.

    First off: there is this andragoge expression on MMG's face. (MMG? MMG?) The forced smile, the "you can go safely to sleep now" sociopathical approach. I really dislike people that do this trick. And he does it over and over again in his vid.
    This has nothing to do with bonds, and is just your own interpretation of his body language and words. He sounded fine to me. This is rather blatant ad hominem you're using to discredit what he's saying.

    [*]Third he admits to have removed 3.7 trillion. Waaah? Thats a market crash!
    Except it's not because it's affect on the market depends on the period of time during which this money was removed from the game. He said "this year alone". Which equals about 400billion per month. Why would that cause a market crash? Especially when he says this gold was removed from gold farmers, which means it was idly sitting in their banks contributing nothing to the economy?

    [*]Fourth: he declares the economy stable. Hell yeah, by removing 3.7 tril gp?
    See above.

    Very non-constructive post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by haiku View Post
    How responsive to feedback does everyone think Jagex will be about this change, given its definitive and swift implementation? I mean, if everyone on the forums just rants the hell out of bonds, is there any possibility for them to rescind, or even just alter their decision based on feedback? Obviously, this would cause them to look stupid, especially the sooner the change takes place. Also, if they have some epiphany that bonds are horrible and the entire player base despises them, what then? The decision was just so definitive and unexpected that I can't say any outcome to be good for Jagex, taking into account people's inherent dispositions to dislike and avoid change.
    There won't be such a reaction to bonds from the playerbase, because it only serves to give people more options.

    Since the severe problems of bots/goldfarmers/RWT became very apparent to jagex in ~2006 they knew they had to tackle the problem. This "bond" system isn't very complicated at all and was probably the first idea on their minds before the grand exchange and trade limits.

    They're simply exhausting options. Doing RWT themselves and taking control of the gold market was always a very clear option, with very clear pros and cons.

    At this point, it's not about how the players react to this change. Players opinions to be honest are not always rational and subject to change very rapidly as bandwagons stop and turn around. Some players not liking bonds for any reason means nothing to Jagex if this system will cut out RWT by say 50%. That's whats important to Jagex because they know it does more damage to the game than some players being annoyed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WT-Fakawi View Post
    • Third he admits to have removed 3.7 trillion. Waaah? Thats a market crash!
    • Fourth: he declares the economy stable. Hell yeah, by removing 3.7 tril gp?
    No de-construction here, just an observation about gold removal. Most likely, the removal of 3.7 trillion gp is due to the several bot nukes they've conducted. Many of them were probably gold farmers, so it is not necessarily surprising that this much gold was taken out of circulation. Given this notion, the impact on the RS economy would be negligible.

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    Perhaps I'm missing something here but this doesn't add up to me. I bought one of these bonds in-game for the surprisingly low price of 5m GP and it gave me +14 days of membership. So for a full month, 2 bonds it'd cost 10m GP, and with the market price of RS3 gold being $.30-$.35 / million you could actually buy, from gold-farmers, a full months membership for $3-3.50. So $3.50 as opposed to Jagex's $6.50 (only if you're an existing member, it's more than that if you're new), isn't this just all the more reason to buy cheap gold and use that to buy bonds for half the price of the membership fee?

    Maybe there's something I don't realize here but as far as I can tell this only encourages RWT, not only to be rich in-game but slash the costs of membership fees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flight View Post
    Perhaps I'm missing something here but this doesn't add up to me. I bought one of these bonds in-game for the surprisingly low price of 5m GP and it gave me +14 days of membership. So for a full month, 2 bonds it'd cost 10m GP, and with the market price of RS3 gold being $.30-$.35 / million you could actually buy, from gold-farmers, a full months membership for $3-3.50. So $3.50 as opposed to Jagex's $6.50 (only if you're an existing member, it's more than that if you're new), isn't this just all the more reason to buy cheap gold and use that to buy bonds for half the price of the membership fee?

    Maybe there's something I don't realize here but as far as I can tell this only encourages RWT, not only to be rich in-game but slash the costs of membership fees.
    Yep, memberships way cheaper and the blackmarket isn't really affected by bonds tbh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flight View Post
    Perhaps I'm missing something here but this doesn't add up to me. I bought one of these bonds in-game for the surprisingly low price of 5m GP and it gave me +14 days of membership. So for a full month, 2 bonds it'd cost 10m GP, and with the market price of RS3 gold being $.30-$.35 / million you could actually buy, from gold-farmers, a full months membership for $3-3.50. So $3.50 as opposed to Jagex's $6.50 (only if you're an existing member, it's more than that if you're new), isn't this just all the more reason to buy cheap gold and use that to buy bonds for half the price of the membership fee?

    Maybe there's something I don't realize here but as far as I can tell this only encourages RWT, not only to be rich in-game but slash the costs of membership fees.
    Well for you to get a full month, somebody has paid Jagex 2x $5.00 instead of $6.50 as they would normally.
    • Jagex makes an extra $3.50 per membership so they're happy.
    • Goldfarmers can sell people gp to buy memberships so they're happy.
    • Membership buyers save $3.00 per membership and they have an easy and safe method to get them now so they're happy.

    The only ones who lose out are pin sellers because they can't afford to match the prices.

    I suppose the people who buy bonds from Jagex are wasting money, but they don't seem to mind. Just another payment on daddy's credit card I suppose :/

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    3.7tril GP is nothing, If it was removed in a day? Yes it would effect us. But most of it was taken off hoarding accounts (high level mains/mules that got banned like 2 months ago)
    or was taken out of the game before it reached the market (bots that get instant banned within first 3 days now)

    I know one guy who got banned with 200bil alone. It adds up quick

    Also you guys are forgetting the 10% converting charge that is taken into account when traded, 10% of the ge price is instantly removed from the game. HUGE money sink

    Long term i expect this to make the economy stabilize and slowly rise till it equals the GP rate of bonds

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