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    Quote Originally Posted by Brandon View Post
    The selling point of his bot is that all the "details" are behind the scenes.. But such a thing does not allow fine-tuning which MANY scripts require.. Even reflection and injection scripts sometimes need a quick fine tune or bug fix.. It seems like you'd have to "re-calibrate" the whole thing if it is buggy.
    Haven't really checked it out yet, but this is the major point, all scripters should at least learn the basics so they can fine-tune scripts for they're use, personally I believe if all scripts ran the same timers it makes it all the move obvious because it sets patters the mods can detect. I'm not the best coder but I appreciate all I've learned through it and can at least apply that knowledge other places.

    This seems to promote leeching to me =/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zombiousdr View Post
    Haven't really checked it out yet, but this is the major point, all scripters should at least learn the basics so they can fine-tune scripts for they're use, personally I believe if all scripts ran the same timers it makes it all the move obvious because it sets patters the mods can detect. I'm not the best coder but I appreciate all I've learned through it and can at least apply that knowledge other places.

    This seems to promote leeching to me =/
    That's the appeal of RiD, they target the people who don't want to/are incapable of learning how to script/code. Their main audience is people who just want to bot some levels on their main without any hassle/effort on their part (technically what is leeching here) and they won't mind paying for it. It's definitely different from simba where it is more about learning and less about leeching but is also free.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slushpuppy View Post
    RiD to villavu is like apple to android.

    marketing vs quality basically
    This sums up my understanding of the two. Also Brandon's post kind of explained to me what they're really trying to do because I mean i've been botting for years but I never actually used RiD. I always thought it was a complete waste of money compared to all the other stuff I can get for relatively cheap. Villavu has gotten me quite a few 99's so far (working on getting 99 smith using corrupted ore miner to get corruped ores, killing 2 birds with one stone XD) so I see no reason to even concern myself with RiD considering how much of a money sink it is.

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    End of April Diary Update:

    Quote Originally Posted by RiD
    End of April diary update:

    This month we began alpha testing Genesis features, in different locations in osrs and rs3. I would just like to thank everyone who has helped gather data.
    This has allowed me to turn my attention to the environment GUI, a part of the interface I wasn't totally happy with. The past two weeks I have designed and created a much nicer GUI, which is both easier to understand, and reduces the number of clicks required, to setup and update environments.

    It's not finished yet but here's a glimpse of the environment GUI. At some point I will post a thread to go into more detail on the environment setup process - but you will be able to simply download and share these settings, it will be possible to use Genesis without ever having to use the environment GUIs.



    I think it will take another week to polish off, then I'll be back to finish the first stage and move to the next stage of alpha testing.
    Just to let people know, during alpha testing we will be isolating various features and testing them individually to get everything working right. We won't be botting until the beta stage.
    The next stage of alpha testing should begin around the middle of May, then there will be another two stages after that before we move on to beta testing.

    I'll give another update in this thread at the end of May to keep you posted.

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    wat. that looks like the java default GUI with a blue/black reskin
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    Quote Originally Posted by KeepBotting View Post
    wat. that looks like the java default GUI with a blue/black reskin
    It appears his post went right over your head. The point is not the color of the GUI, it's how he's working on designing it in a way that is more user-friendly (the previous revision was not so).

    What he's showing is the GUI for the Environment configuration menu, which is going to be in the next phase of Alpha testing.

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    So now i'm really confused.. Now I haven't followed this much as I assumed it wouldn't be completed, but it seems pretty well on its way. But isn't the purpose of this to "watch" you play or do a activity and it can then configure it from there? Looking at the gui you have to add variables and components.. So basically it is just a dumbed down coding IDE? Using pictures and a pretty interface but it still needs logic to run. Since it "roughly" uses color albeit seemly something more advanced, what is the purpose of genisus. Since the logic is typically the most difficult part, it doesn't seem to solve anything.. Also, please don't take this as a rant, but I'm genuinely curious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elfyyy View Post
    So now i'm really confused.. Now I haven't followed this much as I assumed it wouldn't be completed, but it seems pretty well on its way. But isn't the purpose of this to "watch" you play or do a activity and it can then configure it from there? Looking at the gui you have to add variables and components.. So basically it is just a dumbed down coding IDE? Using pictures and a pretty interface but it still needs logic to run. Since it "roughly" uses color albeit seemly something more advanced, what is the purpose of genisus. Since the logic is typically the most difficult part, it doesn't seem to solve anything.. Also, please don't take this as a rant, but I'm genuinely curious.
    As the quote I posted said, this environment configuration isn't required to make a bot. These environments can be shared without needing to modify them. The environment configuration would be used when botting outside of the normal browser or official RS client. For example, if you were using OSBuddy you would create a new environment. In the future, the Environment configuration will be used for creating environments for different games besides RS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trent! View Post
    As the quote I posted said, this environment configuration isn't required to make a bot. These environments can be shared without needing to modify them. The environment configuration would be used when botting outside of the normal browser or official RS client. For example, if you were using OSBuddy you would create a new environment. In the future, the Environment configuration will be used for creating environments for different games besides RS.
    So is anything to actually -bot- done?

    It looks rather useless right now.

    Not to mention he's spent an entire month on only a GUI alone.

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    I will treat this like bigfoot. I have faith in bigfoot. I want bigfoot to exist. But I just don't think it will ever really start existing...

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    I don't get it. What difference is his gui compared to typing 3 lines using SRL with simba.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NKN View Post
    So is anything to actually -bot- done?

    It looks rather useless right now.

    Not to mention he's spent an entire month on only a GUI alone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NKN View Post
    So is anything to actually -bot- done?

    It looks rather useless right now.

    Not to mention he's spent an entire month on only a GUI alone.
    Alpha consists of 3 phases of functionality. All of the code for each phase of functionality is written, the VIPs are just testing each one to make sure it works as expected. The Environment code is written, the only thing RiD's doing with it right now is making the GUI user-friendly. It works, he just wants the design to be easier to use. Once each phase of functionality is passed off, VIPs will be cleared to start making and running bots in Beta. Also keep in mind that RiD has a full-time job and he is working on Genesis in his spare time.

    Imagine something like this: A plane has been built from start to finish. Now, do you just hop in the plane and go? No, you run through a series of functionality test phases to make sure that every major piece of functionality is up to expectations. His current tweaking of the Environment GUI may be likened to designing a cockpit control center in such a way that the pilot can understand everything he's looking at. The beta may be likened to taking the plane for its first test flight after finishing all inspections of major pieces of functionality. You wouldn't fly a new plane for its first time unless you knew everything functioned safely and properly first, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trent! View Post
    Alpha consists of 3 phases of functionality. All of the code for each phase of functionality is written, the VIPs are just testing each one to make sure it works as expected. The Environment code is written, the only thing RiD's doing with it right now is making the GUI user-friendly. It works, he just wants the design to be easier to use. Once each phase of functionality is passed off, VIPs will be cleared to start making and running bots in Beta. Also keep in mind that RiD has a full-time job and he is working on Genesis in his spare time.

    Imagine something like this: A plane has been built from start to finish. Now, do you just hop in the plane and go? No, you run through a series of functionality test phases to make sure that every major piece of functionality is up to expectations. His current tweaking of the Environment GUI may be likened to designing a cockpit control center in such a way that the pilot can understand everything he's looking at. The beta may be likened to taking the plane for its first test flight after finishing all inspections of major pieces of functionality. You wouldn't fly a new plane for its first time unless you knew everything functioned safely and properly first, right?
    No, because unlike a faulty plane which would be a multimillion dollar loss, not to mention all the lost of human life, a program can be tested before everything is fixed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trent! View Post
    Alpha consists of 3 phases of functionality. All of the code for each phase of functionality is written, the VIPs are just testing each one to make sure it works as expected. The Environment code is written, the only thing RiD's doing with it right now is making the GUI user-friendly. It works, he just wants the design to be easier to use. Once each phase of functionality is passed off, VIPs will be cleared to start making and running bots in Beta. Also keep in mind that RiD has a full-time job and he is working on Genesis in his spare time.

    Imagine something like this: A plane has been built from start to finish. Now, do you just hop in the plane and go? No, you run through a series of functionality test phases to make sure that every major piece of functionality is up to expectations. His current tweaking of the Environment GUI may be likened to designing a cockpit control center in such a way that the pilot can understand everything he's looking at. The beta may be likened to taking the plane for its first test flight after finishing all inspections of major pieces of functionality. You wouldn't fly a new plane for its first time unless you knew everything functioned safely and properly first, right?
    I was more so thinking that he spent an entire month on GUI design.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trent! View Post
    As the quote I posted said, this environment configuration isn't required to make a bot. These environments can be shared without needing to modify them. The environment configuration would be used when botting outside of the normal browser or official RS client. For example, if you were using OSBuddy you would create a new environment. In the future, the Environment configuration will be used for creating environments for different games besides RS.

    So.. if we decode this sentence, what you meant to say was, "you can share a script"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brandon View Post
    So.. if we decode this sentence, what you meant to say was, "you can share a script"?
    Yeah so people will actually end up having to script it looks like, except with GUI instead of typing it out. Sort of against the product market slogan of no scripting knowledge required.

    The argument that they can be shared doesn't change that someone at some point will have to make these scripts. Imo the GUI is more complex and annoying than just typing it out yourself...

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    Quote Originally Posted by NKN View Post
    I was more so thinking that he spent an entire month on GUI design.
    He's also been making bug fixes from the first phase of testing, which doesn't not have anything to do with the Environment configuration. And again, in his spare time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Brandon View Post
    So.. if we decode this sentence, what you meant to say was, "you can share a script"?
    While yes, scripts will be easily shareable, the Environment configuration has nothing to do with script creation itself. In fact, you can create a script without ever needing to use the Environment configuration menu. The menu is more for fine tuning or creating new environments or modifying existing environments. Most of the work is done for you, any tweaks are easy to do. Script creation is done with Calibration Sessions. Environment configuration has to do with what environment you're botting in. For example: botting via browser/official RS client is one environment. Botting via the OSBuddy client is another environment. Using Swiftkit is another environment. Using OSBuddy's scalable fullscreen mode is another environment. These environments are shareable.

    Quote Originally Posted by Clarity View Post
    Yeah so people will actually end up having to script it looks like, except with GUI instead of typing it out. Sort of against the product market slogan of no scripting knowledge required.

    The argument that they can be shared doesn't change that someone at some point will have to make these scripts. Imo the GUI is more complex and annoying than just typing it out yourself...
    Your understanding of what this is, is not correct. That's not what the Environment configuration menu is at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by rj View Post
    No, because unlike a faulty plane which would be a multimillion dollar loss, not to mention all the lost of human life, a program can be tested before everything is fixed.
    You missed the point. The point was not the severity of the risk, like you're trying to point out, the point is what is most important to the Product Owner (Google the project management definition of this). In both cases, safety is most important to the Product Owner. For an airplane safety is most important. For RiD, the safety of his products is most important to him. So, given this, it would make sense for him to ensure that critical areas of functionality are working correctly to ensure testers are safe from bans that would otherwise be caused by bugs in these areas of functionality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trent! View Post
    While yes, scripts will be easily shareable, the Environment configuration has nothing to do with script creation itself. In fact, you can create a script without ever needing to use the Environment configuration menu. The menu is more for fine tuning or creating new environments or modifying existing environments. Most of the work is done for you, any tweaks are easy to do. Script creation is done with Calibration Sessions. Environment configuration has to do with what environment you're botting in. For example: botting via browser/official RS client is one environment. Botting via the OSBuddy client is another environment. Using Swiftkit is another environment. Using OSBuddy's scalable fullscreen mode is another environment. These environments are shareable.
    Except that the other environments load the client themselves and if you guys aren't doing that, there's only ONE environment for RS.. The official client unless using Firefox. In that case, 2 environments. Even if someone shares their "environment" with you, it doesn't mean it'll work for you.

    What you call "environment" is what we call "settings".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brandon View Post
    Except that the other environments load the client themselves and if you guys aren't doing that, there's only ONE environment for RS.. The official client unless using Firefox. In that case, 2 environments. Even if someone shares their "environment" with you, it doesn't mean it'll work for you.

    What you call "environment" is what we call "settings".
    There's definitely more than two in this case, maybe not for you guys, but for this, yes there are more than that. To prove this point, during Alpha testing the only environments currently available are for the browser or the official RS client program. New environments will be in the next phase. Running alpha testing on these two environment is producing perfect results thus far, but using other environments (for example, using OSBuddy), have yielded slightly less than satisfactory results, and would require a new environment to be created. In addition, let's assume that while using OSBuddy I want the bot to utilize features of OSBuddy itself outside of the RS window, I can customize my environment to support this. While it may be true that sharing an environment does not guarantee it to work right away, the Environment configuration menu allows users to make any adjustments necessary to make it work as intended.

    Also, the environment configuration is to be designed in a way that supports other games besides RuneScape down the line.

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    After this post, I guess I'm going to refrain from opinions and commentary now until the absolute, final end product is released, whenever that may happen.
    Currently, from what has been presented, Genesis appears unimpressive, simplistic, and quite frankly, a robbery of RiD's clients' money...which I don't want to believe. I believe RiD is better than that, I was a customer there before I discovered SRL. Alpha testing or not, it's difficult to see any indication of in-depth "Genesis like" material as it was marketed to the clientele.

    I look forward to the final release, after which I would love to take a look and try things out. With these limited, barebones VIP-only screenshots and vague explanations it's difficult to make any sort of informed opinion.

    I will say that the initial alpha regarding map walking was laughable, and is something we do here at SRL every day in 4-5 lines of code. I sincerely hope it's more advanced than that.

    Maybe I'm being egotistical...I just want to believe RiD will deliver, but it's so incredibly difficult right now...

    As always, nothing but respect and admiration if the initially marketed and advertised product is released in full.

    Sidenote: wasn't Genesis supposed to be non-RS specific?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clarity View Post
    Sidenote: wasn't Genesis supposed to be non-RS specific?
    Not initially. The intent was to build a system that could, over time, be generic enough to support multiple games. For the initial release, however, the intent was to ensure it works as expected on a trial environment, in this case being RuneScape. Once it is ironed out to work effectively for RS, it would be scaled out to work on other games.

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    Hang on, you mean to tell us that RiD took literally thousands of dollars of customer money but is only working on Genesis in his spare time? What a joke.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Incurable View Post
    Hang on, you mean to tell us that RiD took literally thousands of dollars of customer money but is only working on Genesis in his spare time? What a joke.
    What makes this hilarious... that sounds like a description of God.

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