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    Quote Originally Posted by Kasi View Post
    feasible - possible and practical to do easily or conveniently.

    Just because you don't have the knowledge to do it doesn't mean it isn't possible and practical to do easily or conveniently.

    Can't do shit easily or conveniently if you don't have the knowledge. Either way i think you misunderstood my statement. Intelligent people would know if something isn't feasible. Here's a visual example.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkDD03yeLnU

    In the video some bitch mumbles about a GUI interface. We react because we have knowledge. In the same way, this can be applied to Genesis. People who have knowledge into the area know that a certain feature or function isn't possible and practical to do easily or conveniently, so they choose to make an educated decision on how much they disregard Genesis. The other people just believe everything being said - They don't know any different. This is my problem with it. The spec of Genesis can be fabricated so much so that it makes it even more implausible for the conventional uneducated non-programmer botter who just wants to get 99 slayer and make bank to actually figure out what features and functionality Genesis offers you over other bots.
    You are still basing this measurement of feasibility on YOUR knowledge. But someone with more or different knowledge would judge the feasibility based on THEIRS. You are missing my point.

    Edit: I'm not saying what he claims to be working on is feasible or not, I'm merely commenting that your statement was ignorant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tls View Post
    You are still basing this measurement of feasibility on YOUR knowledge. But someone with more or different knowledge would judge the feasibility based on THEIRS. You are missing my point.

    Edit: I'm not saying what he claims to be working on is feasible or not, I'm merely commenting that your statement was ignorant.

    This is what is intended? People more knowledgeable in the subject are more likely to make a conformed decision. I'm still missing your point. All i'm saying here is that it's easier to make a decision if you're more educated on the subject. I don't understand why that's ignorant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kasi View Post
    This is what is intended? People more knowledgeable in the subject are more likely to make a conformed decision. I'm still missing your point. All i'm saying here is that it's easier to make a decision if you're more educated on the subject. I don't understand why that's ignorant.
    You implied that by the mere fact that just because you can't see how it's feasible, that it actually isn't feasible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kasi View Post
    This is what is intended? People more knowledgeable in the subject are more likely to make a conformed decision. I'm still missing your point. All i'm saying here is that it's easier to make a decision if you're more educated on the subject. I don't understand why that's ignorant.
    Informed decision you mean, conformed decisions are usually very dangerous to make (i.e. the holocaust).

    I agree that what RiD eventually promised though is very likely infeasible (given his resources at least at the present). Although, that would be very difficult to rigorously prove.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pascal View Post
    You implied that by the mere fact that just because you can't see how it's feasible, that it actually isn't feasible.
    This is correct.

    I'm not saying that because it isn't feasible it isn't possible. Which i think you and tls seem to be getting mixed up with. Feasible != Possible. Just because something is impractical/infeasible doesn't make it impossible - might help you understand more. I'm not saying what RiD has said is impossible. I’m just saying it's infeasible based of my knowledge. My knowledge being based on an infeasible not impossible technical specification, technically incompetent staff + those fancy images of GUI's that prove nothing.

    Whether you invest in Genesis or not. It's your decision. You make the decision based of what you know. How feasible you think it is. If you don't think it is feasible then you don't buy it. if you think it is feasible then you buy it; No-one else should be making this decision for you. That being said, is one choice wrong and the other right? Nope.


    Quote Originally Posted by J_R View Post
    Informed decision you mean, conformed decisions are usually very dangerous to make (i.e. the holocaust).
    I guess both can be used. I always thought conformed meant best matched.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kasi View Post
    I guess both can be used. I always thought conformed meant best matched.
    Conformed means goes with what the group/people in power thinks even if privately you know/think the decision is wrong (i.e. going with the NRA even though deep down you oughta know what it is doing is completely wrong). So its exactly the opposite of how you are trying to use it :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by J_R View Post
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    Conformed means goes with what the group/people in power thinks even if privately you know/think the decision is wrong (i.e. going with the NRA even though deep down you oughta know what it is doing is completely wrong). So its exactly the opposite of how you are trying to use it :P
    http://www.thefreedictionary.com/conformed

    Has nothing to do with what is wrong? I meant conformed decision as it's in-line with your evaluation of how feasible Genesis is.

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    Informing has no prerequisite on fact or truth? but rather the assumption one knows truth/s; The intention of truth; but whether or not it is truth.

    Conforming has no prerequisite on actually knowing fact or truth? but rather the act; not the intentions.

    Feasibility; in this sense would be the ability to complete set objectives in a 'efficient' manner to the initial plan and schedule.



    Joey is Informed about project A, He 'thinks' he can do A based on his knowledge and learning, but is completely inadequate.

    Joey is conforming to project A standards, Yet he doesn't actively do it with knowledge.

    I could be informed and conformed and still fail miserably at the feasibility study of project 'A' because of oversight (lack of knowledge at the time)

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    @AFools; Informed / Conformed, doesn't really matter to me. The decision should really be based on how feasible they think genesis is. The decision should be matched or in accord with the feasibility of genesis. Amongst other factors of course, like affordability etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kasi View Post
    @AFools; Informed / Conformed, doesn't really matter to me. The decision should really be based on how feasible they think genesis is. The decision should be matched or in accord with the feasibility of genesis. Amongst other factors of course, like affordability etc.
    Sorry for piping in; the thread was getting side tracked and helped nudge the thread even more.

    I would suggest that 'Genesis', did have an initial 'road-map' to the development of this project - which would have included the feasibility and any considered alternatives; but he may of embarked on something a little bit beyond his skills.
    He has obviously found what he thinks is the solution to a long-term problem he had and as a result.
    We are now hearing a bout genesis beta again.

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    Too much effort, time and work spent on making a bot for a dwindling game. Surely it would have been easier to just make solid scripts with decent randomisation. If they wanted to modernise it they could have just started with remote app control (alarm, paint, world switch, stop etc). It's too cookie cutter in its approach

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    Quote Originally Posted by solidus View Post
    Too much effort, time and work spent on making a bot for a dwindling game. Surely it would have been easier to just make solid scripts with decent randomisation. If they wanted to modernise it they could have just started with remote app control (alarm, paint, world switch, stop etc). It's too cookie cutter in its approach
    Well to address each sentence:

    Sentence 1: This is not made for a dwindling game. A dwindling game (RS) is simply the pilot environment. It will expand to other games over time, and it is designed for this specifically so that its usefulness is not dependent on any specific game.

    Sentence 2: This is what RiD did before Genesis. He had 17 bots covering 20 skills. Genesis would replace all of these and more.

    Sentence 3: There was a section of the website that offered some of these features, and we know that RiD is going to expand that beyond what it was previously.

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    Sad thing is, we'll probably still be debating this in 2017.

    Taking in £200 fees for a project thats been 2 years in the making, for a sniff at some sort of basic alpha access seems like shady practice to me. There is no massive progress. I understand that rid has a rl to deal with also but if i was running a website and still taking in fees, i'd make sure my work was to a standard thta everyone was expecting.

    Up until recently it was slight updates here and there and with jargen that the regular bot users (me) didnt care about, they care about botting with ease. This is why why we used rid in the past and not this, a mess of a set up that would turn regular users away.

    In reminds me of when i first discovered this website and didnt have a clue what i was looking at. I understand a loyalty to the rid website because people have been there for so long, but there must come a point when you've got to start asking why its taking so long.

    Its literally like paying some ex model 200 quid for her nudes because in the past she was beautiful, when in reality she's been doing meth for 2 year and shes now got no teeth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ste View Post
    Taking in £200 fees for a project thats been 2 years in the making, for a sniff at some sort of basic alpha access seems like shady practice to me.
    It's something like 300 USD to buy Unlimited/LifeTime VIP which grants you unlimited credits/hours to use for botting, with a 72 hour daily cap(Believed to be the highest daily cap available). It's a one-time payment. That's the biggest part of LifeTime VIP, RiD granted closed-beta access because it's a pretty big investment.

    I do wish more people would realize this. RiD has continuously said "Only buy VIP if you think you're going to be using Genesis for years to come", it was never advertised or meant to be a "Buy me to get closed beta access".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twinki View Post
    It's something like 300 USD to buy Unlimited/LifeTime VIP which grants you unlimited credits/hours to use for botting, with a 72 hour daily cap(Believed to be the highest daily cap available). It's a one-time payment. That's the biggest part of LifeTime VIP, RiD granted closed-beta access because it's a pretty big investment.

    I do wish more people would realize this. RiD has continuously said "Only buy VIP if you think you're going to be using Genesis for years to come", it was never advertised or meant to be a "Buy me to get closed beta access".
    Unlimited/LifeTime...72 hour daily cap
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    Quote Originally Posted by BMWxi View Post
    Unlimited *LIMITATIONS APPLY
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    Quote Originally Posted by Twinki View Post
    72 hour daily cap(Believed to be the highest daily cap available)
    Pretty sure Simba/SRL, being free (as in beer and as in freedom) software, has the highest daily cap: none at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KeepBotting View Post
    Pretty sure Simba/SRL, being free (as in beer and as in freedom) software, has the highest daily cap: none at all.
    He meant out of all the RiD subscription packages

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    Quote Originally Posted by KeepBotting View Post
    Pretty sure Simba/SRL, being free (as in beer and as in freedom) software, has the highest daily cap: none at all.
    As Aufi said, I was talking about RiD's subscription packages he'll be using as a payment system instead of the credit system. I fully support using and learning how to script over using Genesis, don't take what I said the wrong way.

    Quote Originally Posted by BMWxi View Post
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    That's why Unlimited was changed to 'LifeTime VIP', due to confusion.

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    To be a little more clear, here are the tiers for subscriptions

    Light
    6 hours/day
    2.99 GBP ($4.44 USD)/month or 29.99 GBP ($44.49 USD)/year

    Heavy
    18 hours/day
    4.50 GBP ($6.68 USD)/month or 45 GBP ($66.76 USD)/year

    Ultimate
    48 hours/day
    7.99 GBP ($11.85 USD)/month or 79.99 GBP ($118.67 USD)/year

    Lifetime VIP
    72 hours/day
    200 GBP ($295 USD) one time purchase

    The 72 hours a day package is only availabe with Lifetime VIP, and after VIP sale has been discontinued, the highest package available will be 48 hours/day.

    So, beta is simply a bonus for VIP users. VIP users are getting a package with usage rates beyond what can be purchased with a subscription, and since it is a one-time purchase, they are getting a better deal in comparison to subscriptions if they decide to bot for a few years.

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    And just to be clear, Simba's pricings:

    Free/Basic: Free/unlimited
    Members: Free/unlimited + valuable real life coding knowledge
    SSRL: Free/unlimited + super valuable real life coding knowledge
    Moderator: Free/unlimited + valuable real life knowledge on sucking up to admins (srs) (not rly pls dont ban)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trent! View Post
    To be a little more clear, here are the tiers for subscriptions...

    TL;DR
    Seems like you are promoting the prices of the bot, that isn't what this thread is for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sin View Post
    And just to be clear, Simba's pricings:

    Free/Basic: Free/unlimited
    Members: Free/unlimited + valuable real life coding knowledge
    SSRL: Free/unlimited + super valuable real life coding knowledge
    Moderator: Free/unlimited + valuable real life knowledge on sucking up to admins (srs) (not rly pls dont ban)
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    Quote Originally Posted by BottingFTW View Post
    Seems like you are promoting the prices of the bot, that isn't what this thread is for.
    Thanks for keeping it on topic, I've got a question for you. Where can I find more media about genesis being in action? ive only seen one video of a glass maker or something but I want to see more.

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    @hoodz;

    I want to make more vids but atm I think RiD wants to keep it under wraps until the bugs are sorted out and performance is up to par. Anything specific you'd like to see though?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sin View Post
    And just to be clear, Simba's pricings:

    Free/Basic: Free/unlimited
    Members: Free/unlimited + valuable real life coding knowledge
    SSRL: Free/unlimited + super valuable real life coding knowledge
    Moderator: Free/unlimited + valuable real life knowledge on sucking up to admins (srs) (not rly pls dont ban)
    Let's not turn the thread into a Simba vs RiD thing again. We all know Simba is completely free and that's amazing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trent! View Post
    There's a few main reasons why RiD decided to trash what was, and upgrade to Genesis:

    -Rather than need to manage 17+ different bots every time graphics are changed, Genesis allows users to update their bots easily whenever things change, meaning RiD only has to develop the platform, not micromanage each bot.

    -There were some users banned using the Divination open beta. The reasons for this were believed to have been avoidable under a closed beta; however, there were some other bits of information about this incident that are kept under lock and key (some of which I helped uncover) that made RiD want to upgrade his systems.

    -RiD understands that RS is slowly dying, and wants to offer a system that allows users to bot both RS and other games, without him having to micromanage everything.

    -RiD wanted users to have added customization and functionality along with the ability to fix their own run-time errors.

    -In regard to biometrics, RiD wanted to be ahead of the game, in the event that Jagex started implementing advanced behavior analysis. This point is less pertinent than the others, but he'd rather kill multiple birds with one stone if he can.

    I'm sure there are other reasons I'm forgetting about, but those are the main ones that I can think of. To address your concern of the project never being finished, despite the hiccups we've had in beta thus far, RiD has been updating things pretty frequently and improving functionality at a noticeable rate. Some users are already botting several hours at a time, which for something that has yet to hit v0.20, is quite promising to the expectation that things will meet expected standards. The platform itself will of course always undergo updates and receive additional features and functionality, but I'm confident based on what I've seen and experienced, that it will definitely meet release standards.
    True, I can see the point of wanting to easily manage many different bots, but graphics changing would still affect each bot differently no? I have no knowledge of how RiD is setup, but is each one a separate file that has to be downloaded, or is it all managed from one console?

    Wouldn't opening the platform to other games make the whole process even more micromanaging?

    It's a big undertaking, and I'm more interested in the actual back-end system and design more than anything else. I was under the impression it wasn't working, or even near a "beta" phase. Of course, I've been out of the loop and all of my info came from this thread, which is going to be slightly biased in a way.

    I don't really have a judgement on this project, if he can pull it off, hats off to him.

    Quote Originally Posted by J_R View Post
    I almost completely agree with this sentiment.

    Unless Genesis evolves into some miracle AI monster that not even the best doctorate students at Berkeley, Stanford, MIT, etc... can/will produce, it's just honestly ludicrous to throw years away for minor (if at all useful) improvements. It likely also makes zero business sense (For 3 years at $5/month, not sure how much it costed I hope this is a good estimate, it'd be around $200 per user and I'm almost certain you'd have many times more users than unlimited buyers and the like, probably 10-20x more if not far more than that).
    That's what I'm trying to wrap my head around, what this new platform offers over the current in place platform. I understand evolving the project, but at what cost?
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