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    Quote Originally Posted by Twinki View Post
    I'd love to know the source.
    No disrespect to Trent but RID already told him to STFU.

    90% of what he says is probably bullshit. Hell, at least 10% could be correct, but this is just speculation. Most of what he says is backed up by exactly 0 facts.

    Quote Originally Posted by Trent! View Post
    Just gonna point out that there are users who have managed to create a working environment on NXT, who have successfully botted on NXT beta.
    Offtopic: Just gonna point out that i'm fucking Scarlett Johansson. True story.

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    I am usually a hopeful person. I'd like to see good in people. But the whole RiD debacle so far is just very very shady. I do hope that hundreds if not thousands of people who have donated insane amount of money to RiD get their worth's back but the cynic in me is telling me different.

    RiD seem to not have updated his main development diary thread since November. It's been 4 months since the whole RiD scene is in ambiguity. What's the state of it, has anyone the proper idea? No speculation, facts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by terrorbyte View Post
    I am usually a hopeful person. I'd like to see good in people. But the whole RiD debacle so far is just very very shady. I do hope that hundreds if not thousands of people who have donated insane amount of money to RiD get their worth's back but the cynic in me is telling me different.

    RiD seem to not have updated his main development diary thread since November. It's been 4 months since the whole RiD scene is in ambiguity. What's the state of it, has anyone the proper idea? No speculation, facts.
    RiD's been constantly updating the Genesis Closed Beta, and it's become far more smooth and stable than it was when it launched. There's been about 57 total updates to the closed beta since December 6th of last year.

    Apparently Navigation for the bot should be coming out soon. So he hasn't got up and ran, he just hasn't released a public update about Genesis.

    If I can, I'll post a picture of the update thread RiD uses to post changelogs to show i'm not bullshitting, Going to ask Aufi about it first.

    EDIT: Here's a pic of the update thread, the only replies in the thread are from RiD himself.


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    Quote Originally Posted by terrorbyte View Post
    I am usually a hopeful person. I'd like to see good in people. But the whole RiD debacle so far is just very very shady. I do hope that hundreds if not thousands of people who have donated insane amount of money to RiD get their worth's back but the cynic in me is telling me different.

    RiD seem to not have updated his main development diary thread since November. It's been 4 months since the whole RiD scene is in ambiguity. What's the state of it, has anyone the proper idea? No speculation, facts.
    Sure, I can give some insight at where we are atm. Bankstanding bots are close to flawless, if not flawless. I barely see error reports anymore and the few that we get are usually user errors or just really minor things. Most of the updates are kept in the VIP lounge for now, with that said I'm gonna talk to RiD and get him to post a public update for the end of March.

    Seeing as we are pretty much done with bankstanding bots, all the development is currently going into getting navigation complete (minimap walking and onscreen walking). Most of it is done and we're hoping to have it ready for testing really soon. We want to release Genesis once this stage is complete.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aufi View Post
    Sure, I can give some insight at where we are atm. Bankstanding bots are close to flawless, if not flawless. I barely see error reports anymore and the few that we get are usually user errors or just really minor things. Most of the updates are kept in the VIP lounge for now, with that said I'm gonna talk to RiD and get him to post a public update for the end of March.

    Seeing as we are pretty much done with bankstanding bots, all the development is currently going into getting navigation complete (minimap walking and onscreen walking). Most of it is done and we're hoping to have it ready for testing really soon. We want to release Genesis once this stage is complete.
    Lets just hope that Rid will be good. Ive heard that it would work great then when i vissited the site it allways said please come back later

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    If a release is coming, I'm assuming something has been done to address the detection issues?
    As it stands, most likely, someone running Genesis who is reported, very much like SMART/Simba, will get banned.

    What would be a truly interesting and attractive product is something that does not get banned despite periodic reports on the account and very high usage hours (16+/day), mimicking the ultra-efficient players of the top 100 ranks.

    That would be somewhat worth this incredibly expensive pricetag. Else it should be free with premium features, or drastically reduced in price, imo.
    Last edited by Clarity; 03-21-2016 at 09:26 PM.

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    What I find interesting is the way in which Trent and Aufi say that navigation is to be added shortly and then it will be finished. If it is supposedly so versatile that it can be used with any game, how does it make any sense that he has to "add" navigation? That right there is all the proof that we should need that he is "hardcoding" this for RS and it will not be able to be used with other games unless he manually adds in support for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle View Post
    What I find interesting is the way in which Trent and Aufi say that navigation is to be added shortly and then it will be finished. If it is supposedly so versatile that it can be used with any game, how does it make any sense that he has to "add" navigation? That right there is all the proof that we should need that he is "hardcoding" this for RS and it will not be able to be used with other games unless he manually adds in support for it.
    Well it's world navigation. The only thing that Genesis has was world interaction, eg clicking/pressing buttons to open and do things. You still have to navigate around in games like WoW. I don't see how it's being hardcoded for RS. Genesis still has to know how to navigate the game world, and 'watch' you do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle View Post
    What I find interesting is the way in which Trent and Aufi say that navigation is to be added shortly and then it will be finished. If it is supposedly so versatile that it can be used with any game, how does it make any sense that he has to "add" navigation? That right there is all the proof that we should need that he is "hardcoding" this for RS and it will not be able to be used with other games unless he manually adds in support for it.
    When editing/creating an environment, you are first given a variety of options, such as navigation type (point & click/keyboard (WASD, for example), camera perspective (2D/3D, 3rd person/1st person), camera rotation options, etc. This has been included since the beginning, and a navigation system (not specific to any one game) was always intended to be added, but RiD wanted to make sure other functionality worked before testing it.

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    Good to see that there is progress being made on RID but at this point in development i'd assumed that RID would had been able to perform more complex task then just being able to flawlessly perform bankstanding tasks. which is most basic of tasks if i am being completely honest.

    but the most impressive thing that i'd assume from RID is that these bankstanding tasks are definitely dynamic and are attained from bio-metric game play data from individual users which should in theory be a better alternative to any bankstanding bots or scripts out there in market.

    however, i'd like to see some nothing less then pure greatness for the amount of hype and donations its received. excited to see the results on more advanced tasks.

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    @Kyle;

    I am fairly certain the first release of Genesis will be aimed towards RS. Further tweaking will probably be needed for different games. But we definitely don't want to delay Genesis any further.

    @Clarity;

    Been reported on my main a bunch of times according to chat. And I bot 16+ hours a day. Sure bankstanding stuff is safer than most things, but you can definitely get past reports... I actually streamed myself botting 96-99 Magic in pretty much one go as well with a viewbot on, a while ago, just to push the limits a bit. On OSRS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aufi View Post
    I am fairly certain the first release of Genesis will be aimed towards RS. Further tweaking will probably be needed for different games. But we definitely don't want to delay Genesis any further.

    Been reported on my main a bunch of times according to chat. And I bot 16+ hours a day. Sure bankstanding stuff is safer than most things, but you can definitely get past reports... I actually streamed myself botting 96-99 Magic in pretty much one go as well with a viewbot on, a while ago, just to push the limits a bit. On OSRS.
    It's been 2+ years, and you're concerned about further delaying RID now?

    You need to provide pics. IDK about the banning scene atm but pretty sure Jagex prioritize gold farming methods more than mains botting 96-99 Magic. You should try botting with gold farming methods, see if you get banned and then report back to us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kasi View Post
    It's been 2+ years, and you're concerned about further delaying RID now?

    You need to provide pics. IDK about the banning scene atm but pretty sure Jagex prioritize gold farming methods more than mains botting 96-99 Magic. You should try botting with gold farming methods, see if you get banned and then report back to us.
    Of course we don't want to delay it any further than we have to.

    What kind of pics do you want? And I only streamed 96-99 Magic. When I can bot goldfarming methods, you can betcha I will

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aufi View Post

    @Clarity;

    Been reported on my main a bunch of times according to chat. And I bot 16+ hours a day. Sure bankstanding stuff is safer than most things, but you can definitely get past reports... I actually streamed myself botting 96-99 Magic in pretty much one go as well with a viewbot on, a while ago, just to push the limits a bit. On OSRS.
    Message Weath or any of the other anti-cheat team on twitter your username, to let him check out the account. If you still don't get banned this bot will be great but I doubt it. Newer bots/scripts or private scripts might avoid getting on their "detection list" for a long time but if a real person checks out your account you are done for. Unless rid has something to counter this but as I said, I'd highly doubt this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pastah View Post
    Message Weath or any of the other anti-cheat team on twitter your username, to let him check out the account. If you still don't get banned this bot will be great but I doubt it. Newer bots/scripts or private scripts might avoid getting on their "detection list" for a long time but if a real person checks out your account you are done for. Unless rid has something to counter this but as I said, I'd highly doubt this.
    I've been meaning to do exactly what you suggested, but not on my main. Haven't gotten around to doing so on a throwaway. I'd probably need a VPN to hide my IP or something similar.

    edit: As we don't want to interact with Jagex in any way, I won't be doing this. As an alternative, I might set up an account and have multiple people report me ingame instead. This is pretty much the same thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twinki View Post
    There's been about 57 total updates to the closed beta since December 6th of last year.
    Quantity over quality, amirite?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clarity View Post
    If a release is coming, I'm assuming something has been done to address the detection issues?
    As it stands, most likely, someone running Genesis who is reported, very much like SMART/Simba, will get banned.

    What would be a truly interesting and attractive product is something that does not get banned despite periodic reports on the account and very high usage hours (16+/day), mimicking the ultra-efficient players of the top 100 ranks.
    I would like to learn more about this. Do you have suggestions how this "something" should act different from "SMART/Simba"?
    Would switching activities more often help? Responding to chat?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Niob View Post
    I would like to learn more about this. Do you have suggestions how this "something" should act different from "SMART/Simba"?
    Would switching activities more often help? Responding to chat?
    If I'm guessing correctly, I think @Clarity is referring to jaclib, which is something Jagex uses to detect fake mouse input. This is something that flags SMART/Simba, the Robot class in Java (which RiD uses), and other things. In order to bypass this, one would need to emulate hardware input.

    Someone correct me if anything I just said was incorrect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trent! View Post
    If I'm guessing correctly, I think @Clarity is referring to jaclib, which is something Jagex uses to detect fake mouse input. This is something that flags SMART/Simba, the Robot class in Java (which RiD uses), and other things. In order to bypass this, one would need to emulate hardware input.

    Someone correct me if anything I just said was incorrect.
    Or hook jaclib and just remove virtual input flags.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kasi View Post
    Or hook jaclib and just remove virtual input flags.
    Is this possible without using a client? For example, could it be done to RS that is being played through a browser or official client?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trent! View Post
    Is this possible without using a client? For example, could it be done to RS that is being played through a browser or official client?
    Yes. But it hasn't been done for runescape yet(to my knowledge).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trent! View Post
    If I'm guessing correctly, I think @Clarity is referring to jaclib, which is something Jagex uses to detect fake mouse input. This is something that flags SMART/Simba, the Robot class in Java (which RiD uses), and other things. In order to bypass this, one would need to emulate hardware input.

    Someone correct me if anything I just said was incorrect.
    Quote Originally Posted by Trent! View Post
    Is this possible without using a client? For example, could it be done to RS that is being played through a browser or official client?
    Yes, all you're doing is hooking a DLL. You don't have to emulate anything (Though you could, which would be even better)


    Quote Originally Posted by tls View Post
    Yes. But it hasn't been done for runescape yet(to my knowledge).
    @Brandon; wrote up a hook, and @Kasi; I believe re-wrote it. https://villavu.com/forum/showthread...16#post1367316


    RiD should have already had this issue solved months ago, when everyone became re-aware of it's existence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tls View Post
    Yes. But it hasn't been done for runescape yet(to my knowledge).
    I have a private one. Based off @Brandon;'s with all the changes mentioned in the thread.

    Might be worth mentioning it doesn't have to be just for runescape. It doesnt have to be a jaclib hook.
    It can remove virtual input flags for everything. System-wide if you will.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kasi View Post
    Or hook jaclib and just remove virtual input flags.
    But could that hooking be done in an undetectable way?

    My understanding is that the hook you use resides in user space, within the same process were jaclib runs. Is this not the case?

    I think if changes to jagex' own process (where they can execute code and read everything) are made they could detect those instead of just relying on the input flag.
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    @Niob; What you're saying is completely true, This is why we hide the module using something like this;

    Code:
    void HideSelf(HMODULE self, LDR_MODULE** old)
    {
        LDR_MODULE* module = GetModuleIterator();
    
        while (module->BaseAddress)
        {
            if (module->BaseAddress == self)
            {
                *old = module;
                UnlinkLocalProcessModule(module);
            }
    
            module = reinterpret_cast<LDR_MODULE*>(module->InLoadOrderModuleList.Flink);
        }
    }

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