48 Hour Bans

[Clarity]

Is there a way to change the name of the client so that Jagex happens to think that SMART is the official RS Client?

Yes, I've done that by simply editing the window title in the SMART source, but I somehow doubt that their detection is so basic as to only check the window title.

See this thread for what line to edit: https://villavu.com/forum/showthread.php?t=110822

Note that Simba also uses its own user agent unless you tell it not to, which I think is sort of silly. But then again it wasn't designed to be a stealthy botting client.

[Harrier]

Is there a way to change the name of the client so that Jagex happens to think that SMART is the official RS Client?

@Olly; added a func to Simba but I don't think it's in the current release

Yes, I've done that by simply editing the window title in the SMART source, but I somehow doubt that their detection is so basic as to only check the window title.

See this thread for what line to edit: https://villavu.com/forum/showthread.php?t=110822

Just wondering has oglib had any/many bans? I wonder if they could be targeting a single useragent since srl-6 only uses SMARTs default one I believe which is really old.

[Clarity]

@Olly; added a func to Simba but I don't think it's in the current release

Just wondering has oglib had any/many bans? I wonder if they could be targeting a single useragent since srl-6 only uses SMARTs default one I believe which is really old.

I've experienced none - although I think, as @Obscurity; mentioned earlier, someone got a gold farming ban when ogLib's user agent was accidentally set to 'abc'. This has been rectified, obviously (ogLib now randomly generates a user agent from a website of the most commonly used) but it stands to reason that user agent is somewhat important. The SMART default user agent is a pretty old version of Firefox that nobody uses anymore.

[StickToTheScript]

Yes, I've done that by simply editing the window title in the SMART source, but I somehow doubt that their detection is so basic as to only check the window title.

See this thread for what line to edit: https://villavu.com/forum/showthread.php?t=110822

Note that Simba also uses its own user agent unless you tell it not to, which I think is sort of silly. But then again it wasn't designed to be a stealthy botting client.

Interesting...

Because of this:

public static final String USER_AGENT; //default for an (old) firefox version is set below

It is possible they could start noticing a trend between how many people have been banned with a older version of firefox.


Is it possible for them to get access to this?

public static final String VERSION = "8.3";

Because if so, they might be able to link all of that together as well.

[Clarity]

Interesting...

Because of this:

public static final String USER_AGENT; //default for an (old) firefox version is set below

It is possible they could start noticing a trend between how many people have been banned with a older version of firefox.


Is it possible for them to get access to this?

public static final String VERSION = "8.3";

Because if so, they might be able to link all of that together as well.

I'm not sure to be honest, I like to eliminate the majority of concerns by using the official client in a VM. Then, of course, we get into the detectability of Simba and its fake mouse/keyboard events. They don't appear to go this far though, else we'd all be banned. Perhaps they can go that far if they want to investigate an account more in depth.

This is why I hoped we might be able to spoof real mouse drivers, but that's pretty difficult, I hear, seeing as you need original source and it's not like the companies hand that out.

[StickToTheScript]

I'm not sure to be honest, I like to eliminate the majority of concerns by using the official client in a VM. Then, of course, we get into the detectability of Simba and its fake mouse/keyboard events. They don't appear to go this far though, else we'd all be banned. Perhaps they can go that far if they want to investigate an account more in depth.

This is why I hoped we might be able to spoof real mouse drivers, but that's pretty difficult, I hear, seeing as you need original source and it's not like the companies hand that out.

Maybe if the user agent was updated, we wouldnt have as much of a problem?

[Harrier]

Maybe if the user agent was updated, we wouldnt have as much of a problem?

smartUserAgent := 'useragent here';

[StickToTheScript]

smartUserAgent := 'useragent here';

I was referring to the default. I have no problem throwing in my own, but for those who don't change the default user agent would have show up as a very outdated version of fireFox.

[theholyone]

If this is indeed a new trend in SMART detection, looks like I'll be posting a tutorial about using ogLib with the official client.

correct me if i'm wrong but wouldn't using ogLib be almost the same as using SRL, except with a lot accurate / faster detection of NPC / objects?

haven't tried using ogLib, but i'm assuming that it uses mouse / keyboard same way as SRL does except it's faster since it can read ID's

it'd still use SMART as a base would it not?

[Harrier]

I was referring to the default. I have no problem throwing in my own, but for those who don't change the default user agent would have show up as a very outdated version of fireFox.

It can be just changed within the include (Just get someone to do a pull request changing the default here)

[Clarity]

correct me if i'm wrong but wouldn't using ogLib be almost the same as using SRL, except with a lot accurate / faster detection of NPC / objects?

haven't tried using ogLib, but i'm assuming that it uses mouse / keyboard same way as SRL does except it's faster since it can read ID's

it'd still use SMART as a base would it not?

Depends on the script. A well made color script could be more efficient and effective than a poorly coded ogLib script. But in terms of Simba mouse and keyboard, they operate in the exact same way. We did, however, remove mouse movements from ogLib because they are unnecessary (as of this post) and only decrease script accuracy. This problem is most evident when monsters move during mouse movement and by the time the mouse reaches the destination, it is in a very out of date location.

SMART is just a convenience. You don't need to use SMART with SRL-6 or ogLib. It was made just as an easy way to bot while minimized.

[theholyone]

meant to say SIMBA not SMART*

have 2 accounts side by side same script testing, one with simba one without

[Lobster]

An update on runemate, they believe it was mainly a banwave then a client detection update, which would be in line with our experience where a number of bans happened at once.These were most likely delayed bans all triggering at once then all real-time due to detection.

[kiwikiwi]

I've had ogLib bans, but can't isolate it as I had a lot of stuff happening. Message at the end of the day is to bot safe. Something that still hasn't sunk in yet with me.

[Hitac]

RM got updated but bans are still 'beging delivered'. Is jagex finally getting ham with bots?