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    Can someone explain to me why Behrain/kuwait/United Arab Emirates aren't accepting refugees? They're kind of like, right there lol

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    The Syrian refugees have been waiting for a minimum of 3 years to be granted a refugee status here in the US. Trump wants to stop all Muslims, regardless of where they are coming from, which is a terrible, xenophobic idea.

    The FBI report is based on outside of the United States, and the victims are mostly Muslims, and really no surprise given the fact the US has caused a terrible rift in the Middle East. That's besides the point. Why isn't there a call to stop Jews or any one else from entering the US? They've all been slaughtering each other for thousands of years. We should ban Catholics and Protestants from entering the US, they were slaughtering each other up until 1998. Why is it ok to say "Muslims no come in" when it's not just them who have extremists?

    Banning Muslims from entering the country won't solve anything, it will make the situation worse. You'll see Daesh recruitment numbers rise like never before, because we will be giving them a reason to hate us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle Undefined View Post
    Banning Muslims from entering the country won't solve anything, it will make the situation worse. You'll see Daesh recruitment numbers rise like never before, because we will be giving them a reason to hate us.
    The people who join ISIL willingly have to have very fundamental Islam beliefs. These are the kind of people we don't want in the country in the first place. The Kuran when interpreted literally isn't exactly a fan of liberal principles like freedom of speech or freedom of religion. Nor is it a fan of egalitarian principles like women's rights. But I do agree, the US banning Syrian refugees may give the final push to the few people on the fence of joining ISIL.

    Why isn't there a call for Jewish extremism? Christian extremism? Because Trump is a reactionary candidate. If what happened in Paris was from Jewish people I'm certain Trump would want to ban them too. And in recent years Islamic terrorism has been vastly more common and more harming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Camel View Post
    The people who join ISIL willingly have to have very fundamental Islam beliefs. These are the kind of people we don't want in the country in the first place. The Kuran when interpreted literally isn't exactly a fan of liberal principles like freedom of speech or freedom of religion. Nor is it a fan of egalitarian principles like women's rights. But I do agree, the US banning Syrian refugees may give the final push to the few people on the fence of joining ISIL.

    Why isn't there a call for Jewish extremism? Christian extremism? Because Trump is a reactionary candidate. If what happened in Paris was from Jewish people I'm certain Trump would want to ban them too. And in recent years Islamic terrorism has been vastly more common and more harming.
    Neither is the Bible when you dive into it, but those teachings aren't taught today, just how those teachings from the Quran aren't taught. The majority of religions that are around today have very violent history.

    Yes, Islamic terrorism has been increased recently, but outside of the US. There's more non Muslim violence happening than Muslim violence here, but everyone is pointing at Muslims being the problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle Undefined View Post
    Neither is the Bible when you dive into it, but those teachings aren't taught today, just how those teachings from the Quran aren't taught. The majority of religions that are around today have very violent history.

    Yes, Islamic terrorism has been increased recently, but outside of the US. There's more non Muslim violence happening than Muslim violence here, but everyone is pointing at Muslims being the problem.
    The old testament Bible and Kuran are on very different levels. The new testament is pretty light, Jesus was a pretty cool guy.

    Islamic terrorism is on the rise because America came in and made their lives a lot worse then they were before (Iraq war). So its no surprise they don't like us very much. The terrorism statistics are world wide. So statistically speaking, bringing additional Muslims in will increase the likeness for terrorism the most compared to other demographics of people.

    People aren't pointing at Muslims for our terrorism. They see this information amplified through fox news and want to not bring the problems here.

    All of the refugees coming are likely fine people and would be a great addition to America. But it seems likely to me that ISIL could infiltrate the immigrants and gain access to the country. Like they did in Paris. Trump wanting to pause the immigration until a plan is formed to prevent potential terrorism is reasonable.

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    The Old Testament is filled with violence, but that's not taught, only the New Testament.

    Yes, the US going into Iraq is why we are dealing with Daesh today. Sadam was not a good person, however, we put him in power and he kept that region in check. Without him, that entire area crumbled. So why has over 1.5 million people from majority Muslim countries been granted permanent residency since 9/11, if they are such a risk? We have also resettled over 380,000, and have granted over 75,000 asylees from the same regions. With all of these people, the US should be a full out war, according to what people are saying now.

    People are pointing the Muslims for our terrorism, Faux is the biggest pusher of that agenda. Trump doesn't help at all.

    I'm assuming you're talking about the fake Syrian passport that was found after the attacks, all of the identified attackers were citizens of the European Union. The person that the passport actually belonged to was arrested at a refugee camp. They knew all it would take is a faked passport, it works in their favor to keep these people in Syria.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle Undefined View Post
    Banning Muslims from entering the country won't solve anything, it will make the situation worse. You'll see Daesh recruitment numbers rise like never before, because we will be giving them a reason to hate us.
    Me personally, I'm not sure where I stand on this issue completely, as I can see both sides. However, I keep hearing media talking about this point over and over, and from a common sense perspective if this is true than it is absolutely ridiculous that nothing more "radical" in stopping people coming in hasn't happened..

    If your point is true, than I really only see two possibilities:
    1) The so called "Peace loving majority of Muslims" are not really "peace loving" and already are having radical thoughts and just need a little something to set them off.
    2) The Quran is so easily misinterpreted (or maybe that is how it really is?) that simply being denied entrance temporarily from a country is excuse enough to want to kill people who had not the slightest involvement in this action.

    It just hurts my brain to think that having a country deny entrance to a group of people based on location/religion could honestly be used as a reason to want to kill/destroy that country.. Please don't bring up anything about how it is all America's fault for the turmoil in the middle east, as the middle east has had constant conflict for thousands of years, and I am only really willing to discuss this one point.

    Also, as an aside, when I see the term "Faux news" used, it makes it hard for me to take that person seriously.. Just because there is one tv media outlet that isn't left leaning doesn't mean it is horrible and fake, do realize it is the most watched cable news network by quite a bit. I'm not at all saying Fox isn't biased, of course it is, but so is CNN and MSNBC, but you don't hear people ripping them. Though, not many people watch them, so that could be why..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle View Post
    Me personally, I'm not sure where I stand on this issue completely, as I can see both sides. However, I keep hearing media talking about this point over and over, and from a common sense perspective if this is true than it is absolutely ridiculous that nothing more "radical" in stopping people coming in hasn't happened..

    If your point is true, than I really only see two possibilities:
    1) The so called "Peace loving majority of Muslims" are not really "peace loving" and already are having radical thoughts and just need a little something to set them off.
    2) The Quran is so easily misinterpreted (or maybe that is how it really is?) that simply being denied entrance temporarily from a country is excuse enough to want to kill people who had not the slightest involvement in this action.

    It just hurts my brain to think that having a country deny entrance to a group of people based on location/religion could honestly be used as a reason to want to kill/destroy that country.. Please don't bring up anything about how it is all America's fault for the turmoil in the middle east, as the middle east has had constant conflict for thousands of years, and I am only really willing to discuss this one point.

    Also, as an aside, when I see the term "Faux news" used, it makes it hard for me to take that person seriously.. Just because there is one tv media outlet that isn't left leaning doesn't mean it is horrible and fake, do realize it is the most watched cable news network by quite a bit. I'm not at all saying Fox isn't biased, of course it is, but so is CNN and MSNBC, but you don't hear people ripping them. Though, not many people watch them, so that could be why..
    It's a slippery slope, it can get messy just because of this idea of barring Muslims entry. It's just complicated, and not as simple as denying anyone who is a Muslim.

    People can be set off on the smallest thing, look at the moronic videos everyone loves to laugh at because a person gets upset that McDonalds doesn't have mcnuggets, or anything where people are set off into a rampage over the stupidest thing. I don't know the Quran, but it's just as easily misinterpreted as the Bible is. People will interpret the text as how they want to see it. The friends and colleagues that I know who are Muslim have all told me the same thing, all of the violence everyone loves to point out is not taught in the religion. They are aware of them sure, but not actively taught to seek out violence. Just how the violence in the Bible isn't taught to be followed. It's the "evolution", if you will, of the religion in the ever so changing times.

    Daesh wants WW3, that's their end goal, death and destruction. They'll use whatever is they have to in order to recruit new members. They'll spin this into their own narrative, like they have been doing for years. Why give them more things to spin? I mentioned Americas involvement in the Middle East before, we did not help that area one bit, we made it worse, and you cannot deny that fact.

    Here's a quote from me about media, earlier in this thread.
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    I don't trust any media though, because there are only a very few sources that doesn't pander to either sides fears (I'm looking at you Faux and MSNBC)
    I hate Faux, MSNBC, CNN, all of them. They contribute to the mess we have in our own country. The only time I do turn on the news, is to watch BBC, their news is not as depressing as ours. Who says media has to lean a certain way? Media should be unbiased and filled with facts, but that's never going to happen. Do you know why I call Fox News, Faux? I'm sure you do. I just don't have a direct insult for MSNBC or CNN, not that creative. Same reason I refuse to say ISIS or ISIL, Daesh is similar to two Arabic words: 'Daes', which translates to 'one who crushes something underfoot', and 'Dahes', meaning 'one who sows discord'. They absolutely hate it, sure, me calling them that doesn't make a difference at all, but I like it.
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    He is very harse for the refugees, but he has a point in not taking in any more refugees, because they will keep coming.

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    i think that he will never make it to office and that he is just wasting his money, not that he doesnt have money to spare.

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    Do remember, Pakistan hosts the largest refugee population on the planet. Proud of that fact.

    PS: If America elects Trump, America then deserves Trump.

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    Trump is an idiot, a pawn in a much larger game.

    Anyone who supports him, or any of his ridiculous plans, is a true fool. Simple as that.

    I'm Canadian, so in a lot of ways I could care less who gets elected. Americans like to think the rest of the world sits on the edge of their seats during American elections, but meh, we don't really care. America isn't half as big or important as some people try and claim they are, and there is nothing wrong with that.

    Having said that, I do follow the politics simply as an interest. With Trump, another Bush, and Hillary changing her platform every interview the only logical choice, in my mind, is Bernie. Atleast he has been fighting for the exact same things for 12 years.

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    Americans vote for Trump because they can relate to his idiocy. @rj;

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    Quote Originally Posted by the bank View Post
    America isn't half as big or important as some people try and claim they are
    No no no. You see, the world would fall apart if we didn't have 150k troops stationed in 150 countries around the world.

    /s

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    Quote Originally Posted by the bank View Post
    Trump is an idiot, a pawn in a much larger game.

    Anyone who supports him, or any of his ridiculous plans, is a true fool. Simple as that.

    I'm Canadian, so in a lot of ways I could care less who gets elected. Americans like to think the rest of the world sits on the edge of their seats during American elections, but meh, we don't really care. America isn't half as big or important as some people try and claim they are, and there is nothing wrong with that.

    Having said that, I do follow the politics simply as an interest. With Trump, another Bush, and Hillary changing her platform every interview the only logical choice, in my mind, is Bernie. Atleast he has been fighting for the exact same things for 12 years.

    Want a good president? Vote for the consistent one.
    If bernie wins it's going to be another 4-8 years of Republicans blocking everything he does, except this time your going to be seeing democrats helping

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    Quote Originally Posted by rj View Post
    If bernie wins it's going to be another 4-8 years of Republicans blocking everything he does, except this time your going to be seeing democrats helping
    I wonder which of the candidates uses your when they mean you're

    Because that would lose them my vote instantly

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    Out of the current top 5 candidates, trump is the only one I personally wouldn't be able to instantly respect if I were to meet them irl.
    This is purely my emotional response to your question [op]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Camel View Post
    Let me make it clear, I'm not some kind of extreme right-wing Trump supporter. I think he is hilarious and I do like his tax plan when compared to the other republican candidates. I think the wall (while funny) is a terrible idea. I am all for Mexican immigrants. I brought up the Muslim-ban because that is his current controversy. A couple weeks back it was all Mexicans being rapists, Meagyn Kelly, etc... (there is a lot of things he has done). The reason why I said it isn't terrible is because of all the recent controversies this is not his worst. I don't think its terrible.

    Addressing the refugees, I think we should let the current 10,000(? I can't remember the promised number) in and then stop the flow temporarily until a way to stop the following issues is put in place. Why? One we are at war with ISIL. It is likely they could send a terrorist in.. Two look at what happened to Sweden. They allowed very many refugees into the country to a point where there is no assimilation. Sweden is now the rape capitol of the western world. 2nd place in the world I believe, behind Lesotho. 77% of rapes involve immigrants.

    Trump called for temporarily banning Syrian refugees until a plan is reached. I still don't think its terrible. And I know Muslims are not the same as Syrian refugees. But stereotyping which I would like to imagine Trump is doing but probably not... Trump (and Jeb! and Cruz) have thrown around ideas of only letting christian refugees in. That is completely stupid.

    In 2008, This is on page 22. Now that ISIL is running rampant, I doubt the graph has changed much.. That looks like a majority..



    Bottom line, if we contort what Trump said from "Banning Muslims temporarily" to "Banning Syrian refugees temporarily" I would have to say its not an awful idea.
    You know that 8 years is a hella long time for this stuff to be relevant?

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    Trump is a legend. He does and says outrageous and frankly illegal things; however, instead of turning off voters it makes them even more willing to vote for him. At this point we can only hope that the polls are accurate in saying that Trump stands no chance vs Hillary (they tend to be hilariously inaccurate though) or that he's actually a whole lot smarter than he sounds (which is probably true as I doubt he'd be a billionaire without at some intelligence) and he actually tries to be reasonable after he wins the nomination (reasonableness doesn't look likely at the moment).

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    Quote Originally Posted by rj View Post
    If bernie wins it's going to be another 4-8 years of Republicans blocking everything he does, except this time your going to be seeing democrats helping
    At least it won't be 4-8 years of this:

    Trump: "Yeah, we're so winning, and Mexico is gonna build the wall! I mean, I have no idea how yet, but they will!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by the bank View Post
    Trump is an idiot, a pawn in a much larger game.

    Anyone who supports him, or any of his ridiculous plans, is a true fool. Simple as that.

    I'm Canadian, so in a lot of ways I could care less who gets elected. Americans like to think the rest of the world sits on the edge of their seats during American elections, but meh, we don't really care. America isn't half as big or important as some people try and claim they are, and there is nothing wrong with that.

    Having said that, I do follow the politics simply as an interest. With Trump, another Bush, and Hillary changing her platform every interview the only logical choice, in my mind, is Bernie. Atleast he has been fighting for the exact same things for 12 years.

    Want a good president? Vote for the consistent one.
    I think you're forgetting that if Trump wins, Canada is going to get a massive influx of American refugees! Not only are they harder to look after because they need to eat twice as much food as any other refugee, don't speak basic English, carry more guns, and refuse to assimilate with other cultures! Thankfully, there's a campaign to build a wall between Canada and the United States to keep them out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Incurable View Post
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    Pretty much anybody who says they are going to move countries if X candidate wins has pretty lost lost all their credibility and shown their ignorance on the function of the president.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Incurable View Post
    snip
    IT should be noted that Trump's response to that statement was "The wall just got 10 feet higher"

    Think about it, if Trump, peace be upon him, pulls it off... If Mexico does in fact pay for the wall Trump will be a legend. I voted for him because I have faith in the wall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Camel View Post
    IT should be noted that Trump's response to that statement was "The wall just got 10 feet higher"

    Think about it, if Trump, peace be upon him, pulls it off... If Mexico does in fact pay for the wall Trump will be a legend. I voted for him because I have faith in the wall.

    #MakeAmericaGreatAgain #ComeToDaddy
    Mexico won't pay for it and it's impossible for him to force them, lol.



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