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    Default SMART (may) have caused my ban

    I've been botting heavily for months now but I always used the offical runescape client and never had any problems. But for about a week I started using smart while using the same script and botting about the same amount of times which was about 6 hours a day average. I received a 48 hour ban for using 3rd party software after about a week of using smart. Now am not saying smart was 100% the cause of my ban but it did make me think maybe it could of contributed towards the evidence they needed to disable my account. I was just woundering if anyone has had any similar experiences as it would be interesting to know as I have done some research on whether smart is detectable and there has been mixed views on it but from my reasearch on 5 years of botting on the same account am quite confident that smart is currently delectable.

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    Yes, SMART is delectable.

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    How are we even supposed to be able to tell if a ban is from smart or not. Sorry but I'm tired of this stupid fucking discussion, unless you work at Jagex or until they give you a ban and specifically give you the evidence - then we will never know

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    I've botted with smart for over 3 months without a ban, and I've been banned within 24 hours of using it. Same goes for not using smart. It all depends on the script you use. If smart was detected everyone using it would get banned very fast using it.

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    Yeah it's very possible that it increases the level of scrutiny that an account receives.
    Running a couple accounts without SMART and running a couple accounts with SMART, all in the same manner and in their own separate environments, would be a good way to test things out.

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    What we do know is that Jagex do use client detection - Seen quite a few Reddit posts where people have been wrongly banned because they were using third-party clients. They clearly aren't being banned because of human-like movement or lack thereof. The independent variable in this scenario being the client. Based on these facts alone, whether you wanna interpret this as SMART being detectable or Jagex's client detection being inaccurate. We can say for certain that Jagex uses client detection in their anti-cheat.

    What we also know is that SMART is open source. Anyone can look at exactly how it embeds the OS/RS client. Any novice who knows how loaders work, would know that SMART uses the single most common method among java bots. The only difference being SMART provides us an interface to communicate with (SMARTRemote) which sometimes confuses people into thinking that its different from all other java bots. It's not. It's just as detectable as the next java bot. Whether Jagex is specifically detecting for it is another issue. I'd go as far as saying that they probably incidentally pick up on SMART when they test for all generic third party clients.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pastah View Post
    If smart was detected everyone using it would get banned very fast using it.
    You have to consider that a lot of users cheat. If Jagex straight up banned everyone then they'd lose a majority of their user-base + profits. It simply isn't feasible to ban everyone who gets detected as a botter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pastah View Post
    There was a time that powerbot users instantly get banned for using their client. I'm just talking from my own experience and think that smart isn't detectable. They probably detect it when they manually check your account but I'm sure their automatic system doesn't catch on to smart. Method/script is the thing that gets you banned.
    Why do so many people make this mistake?

    Detectable - "able to be discovered or identified."

    Detected - "discover or identify the presence or existence of."

    SMART is detectable. If you really want, i'll write you a 10? line program to detect if you're running SMART or not. We can't say for certain if it is detected, but it is 100% detectable.

    Secondly, would you explain why their automatic system doesn't catch onto SMART but the manual check would? I don't understand the assumption behind why the automatic system wouldn't pick it up.

    If you knew anything about Powerbot and Jagex, you'd know that they have a personal feud. IIRC, Jagex went after Paris both civilly and criminally. Two separate cases and essentially lost both IMO, (NDA in place i think, so there's not much info around). It was impossible for Jagex to prove that Powerbot modified the client as it was obfuscated and de-compiling it would be considered criminal. Pretty ironic loophole.
    This is on-top of the Jacmob + Paris drama. I'll briefly clarify this too. Before this lawsuit, Jacmob and Paris used to work together on RSBot. Jacmob fell out with Paris for reasons i can only speculate - I don't know the full story. Paris wasn't interested in paying jacmob as the lead dev, Paris blamed the hacks at RSBot on jacmob and another member (Arbiter), (gho$t, the original hacker came out and claimed full responsibility eventually), Anyhow a bunch of devs at RSBot parted way (including Jacmob), and RSBuddy was born. You could say they were now direct competitors. RSBot v RSBuddy. RSBuddy was short lived. Jacmob hung up his botting career. Jagex employed him and for a 2 years as he worked on BotWatch, (who better to stop java bots than the ex lead dev at RSBot). Which incidentally was the time when Powerbot users were instant banned for logging in.

    There really isn't a shortage of reasons why Jagex wouldn't wanna focus Powerbot. Most certainly doesn't mean they can't detect other bots. Powerbot was probably focused cause Jagex + Jacmob personally wanted to take a shit on Powerbot + Paris.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kasi View Post
    Why do so many people make this mistake?

    Detectable - "able to be discovered or identified."

    Detected - "discover or identify the presence or existence of."

    SMART is detectable. If you really want, i'll write you a 10? line program to detect if you're running SMART or not. We can't say for certain if it is detected, but it is 100% detectable.

    Secondly, would you explain why their automatic system doesn't catch onto SMART but the manual check would? I don't understand the assumption behind why the automatic system wouldn't pick it up.

    If you knew anything about Powerbot and Jagex, you'd know that they have a personal feud. IIRC, Jagex went after Paris both civilly and criminally. Two separate cases and essentially lost both IMO, (NDA in place i think, so there's not much info around). It was impossible for Jagex to prove that Powerbot modified the client as it was obfuscated and de-compiling it would be considered criminal. Pretty ironic loophole.
    This is on-top of the Jacmob + Paris drama. I'll briefly clarify this too. Before this lawsuit, Jacmob and Paris used to work together on RSBot. Jacmob fell out with Paris for reasons i can only speculate - I don't know the full story. Paris wasn't interested in paying jacmob as the lead dev, Paris blamed the hacks at RSBot on jacmob and another member (Arbiter), (gho$t, the original hacker came out and claimed full responsibility eventually), Anyhow a bunch of devs at RSBot parted way (including Jacmob), and RSBuddy was born. You could say they were now direct competitors. RSBot v RSBuddy. RSBuddy was short lived. Jacmob hung up his botting career. Jagex employed him and for a 2 years as he worked on BotWatch, (who better to stop java bots than the ex lead dev at RSBot). Which incidentally was the time when Powerbot users were instant banned for logging in.

    There really isn't a shortage of reasons why Jagex wouldn't wanna focus Powerbot. Most certainly doesn't mean they can't detect other bots. Powerbot was probably focused cause Jagex + Jacmob personally wanted to take a shit on Powerbot + Paris.
    I had deleted my post because I was expecting an answer like this. I was talking from my own experiences. Thing is only Jagex knows about their systems, but if you've been in the scene for a long time you'll start to make up your own theories. And by the way it wasn't only powerbot suffering from these bans from logging in the client, Epicbot had the same issue at some point Runemate had this aswell.

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    I have a problem with your wording, not your experiences. How can you think something is undetectable but also think that it gets picked up during manual checks? you're breaking your English. You can't say that SMART is undetectable and also say it gets detected at manual checks.

    SMART being detectable isn't a theory.
    Regardless of Jagex's anti-cheat, SMART is detectable, that is for certain. Whether Jagex's anti-cheat detects SMART;, we don't know.
    I.E
    1. Can they detect SMART Yes, it is detectable
    2. Do they detect SMART? We don't know

    Whilst i can't speak for RuneMate, EpicBot went through the same lawsuit, and they had talks with RSBuddy too. Didn't even know RuneMate existed back then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kasi View Post
    I have a problem with your wording, not your experiences. How can you think something is undetectable but also think that it gets picked up during manual checks? you're breaking your English. You can't say that SMART is undetectable and also say it gets detected at manual checks.

    SMART being detectable isn't a theory.
    Regardless of Jagex's anti-cheat, SMART is detectable, that is for certain. Whether Jagex's anti-cheat detects SMART;, we don't know.
    I.E
    1. Can they detect SMART Yes, it is detectable
    2. Do they detect SMART? We don't know

    Whilst i can't speak for RuneMate, EpicBot went through the same lawsuit, and they had talks with RSBuddy too. Didn't even know RuneMate existed back then.
    I'm sorry but English isn't my first language, I try my best . But what you said is 100 % correct, smart is detectable but if they detect it we don't know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pastah View Post
    smart is detectable but if they detect it we don't know.
    You got it man.

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    Soo which client should we use? Is smart good enough?

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    Botting caused your ban. SMART could very well be a complementary factor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nt4rz View Post
    Soo which client should we use? Is smart good enough?
    SMART is just fine for majority of us, but autoing comes with a risk. So make sure to just not bot on your main account. Think of it as gambling you go to a casino with the mindset of "oh okay the money I am taking with me is money that I do not mind losing nor is it needed for paying the bills"... But best part is chances of you getting banned is much more slimmer than you losing your money at the casino

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    Quote Originally Posted by P1nky View Post
    SMART is just fine for majority of us, but autoing comes with a risk. So make sure to just not bot on your main account. Think of it as gambling you go to a casino with the mindset of "oh okay the money I am taking with me is money that I do not mind losing nor is it needed for paying the bills"... But best part is chances of you getting banned is much more slimmer than you losing your money at the casino
    yuhhh. and if you bot too much too quickly on a main its its like throwing all your money at roulette before you hit even get a chance to hit the rest of the floor.


    i used to use smart permanently. i liked that it didnt lag on my craptop and i didnt have to install another client, so i pretty much only ever loaded SMART to play, even though i didnt bot much. got a quest cape 100% on the smart client. edit: not banned

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    Quote Originally Posted by P1nky View Post
    SMART is just fine for majority of us, but autoing comes with a risk. So make sure to just not bot on your main account. Think of it as gambling you go to a casino with the mindset of "oh okay the money I am taking with me is money that I do not mind losing nor is it needed for paying the bills"... But best part is chances of you getting banned is much more slimmer than you losing your money at the casino
    Quote Originally Posted by lolskilla View Post
    yuhhh. and if you bot too much too quickly on a main its its like throwing all your money at roulette before you hit even get a chance to hit the rest of the floor.


    i used to use smart permanently. i liked that it didnt lag on my craptop and i didnt have to install another client, so i pretty much only ever loaded SMART to play, even though i didnt bot much. got a quest cape 100% on the smart client. edit: not banned
    Well you guys are lucky! Atleast you can run a bot. I can't even get any bot to work anymore... I have no idea what I'm doing wrong, I can't even get smart client to open. I think it may be something about the Aerolib.
    I'm trying to get hoodz fighting script to work, but nope... I've basically given up after 2000 tries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nt4rz View Post
    Well you guys are lucky! Atleast you can run a bot. I can't even get any bot to work anymore... I have no idea what I'm doing wrong, I can't even get smart client to open. I think it may be something about the Aerolib.
    I'm trying to get hoodz fighting script to work, but nope... I've basically given up after 2000 tries.
    Are you getting an error message?

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    Quote Originally Posted by P1nky View Post
    Are you getting an error message?
    Yea mate
    I made a post about the error I get. I've even tried older version on Simba and aerolib, but I always get some kind if error...

    But this is the error I get when using the latest Simba and aerolib: https://villavu.com/forum/showthread...83#post1390383

    And I followed this guide: https://villavu.com/forum/showthread.php?t=116855

    I don't know what else to do.. as I wrote in that post, it used to work perfect last time I used it (6-7 months ago). Now, nothing

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    Quote Originally Posted by nt4rz View Post
    Yea mate
    I made a post about the error I get. I've even tried older version on Simba and aerolib, but I always get some kind if error...

    But this is the error I get when using the latest Simba and aerolib: https://villavu.com/forum/showthread...83#post1390383

    And I followed this guide: https://villavu.com/forum/showthread.php?t=116855

    I don't know what else to do.. as I wrote in that post, it used to work perfect last time I used it (6-7 months ago). Now, nothing
    That seems like the script is causing the issue not your Simba/SMART setup. Whenever you are trying to run other scripts, are you getting the same error message?

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    Quote Originally Posted by P1nky View Post
    SMART is just fine for majority of us, but autoing comes with a risk. So make sure to just not bot on your main account. Think of it as gambling you go to a casino with the mindset of "oh okay the money I am taking with me is money that I do not mind losing nor is it needed for paying the bills"... But best part is chances of you getting banned is much more slimmer than you losing your money at the casino
    Quote Originally Posted by lolskilla View Post
    yuhhh. and if you bot too much too quickly on a main its its like throwing all your money at roulette before you hit even get a chance to hit the rest of the floor.


    i used to use smart permanently. i liked that it didnt lag on my craptop and i didnt have to install another client, so i pretty much only ever loaded SMART to play, even though i didnt bot much. got a quest cape 100% on the smart client. edit: not banned
    Quote Originally Posted by P1nky View Post
    That seems like the script is causing the issue not your Simba/SMART setup. Whenever you are trying to run other scripts, are you getting the same error message?
    ahh i see, well when i try other scripts i always get this error:

    [AL] Initiating AeroLib...
    [AL] Checking version...
    [AL] There's a major update available for AeroLib.
    [AL] Updating AeroLib...
    Error: Corrupt ZIP file C:\Simba\Includes\AeroLib.zip at line 96
    Execution failed.

    and even though i remove the zip file inside that folder, it always pops up again and again. i have even tried other aerolib version. But that's even worae since i get other errors..

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    Quote Originally Posted by P1nky View Post
    That seems like the script is causing the issue not your Simba/SMART setup. Whenever you are trying to run other scripts, are you getting the same error message?
    ohh i almost forgot! When i use Aerolib 2.1 i get this error screen..

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    SMART *IS* Detected. Main got perm'd. Received info from a source i don't want to disclose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by !_1337_! View Post
    SMART *IS* Detected. Main got perm'd. Received info from a source i don't want to disclose.
    Lol. Anyone can say that. You have to give us some sort of evidence.

    And don't get me wrong, I do not necessarily disagree with you, but you cant just make claims and then refuse to give evidence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by !_1337_! View Post
    SMART *IS* Detected. Main got perm'd. Received info from a source i don't want to disclose.
    Ohhhh pleaaaase
    Received info from a source i don't want to disclose.
    ... You prob abused the script or used a script that wasn't written properly

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    Quote Originally Posted by slacky View Post
    Botting caused your ban. SMART could very well be a complementary factor.
    I'm not so sure: I played legitimately using SMART for a while and received an inordinate number of random events. I suspect I would have been banned if I did not do them. This was about 3/4 of a year ago.

    All of the people dismissing the suggestion that SMART leads to bans are in the wrong. It is likely Jagex is changing their stance on botting. If you check commodity prices you will find many resources are going down in price, implying there are more "people" gathering them.

    The said, it is unlikely SMART is any more likely to get you banned than any other 3rd party client. It seems reasonable Jagex would factor in the time spent using each client, should they bother to check at all.
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