View Poll Results: Which Cheating-Engine will you choose?

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  • I am sticking with SCAR/SRL.

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Thread: WT-Fakawi statement on KYAB

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    I am disappointed that the SRL community, which I have been a member of for a long time, would react in the way that we all have demonstrated. So far, for historical purposes, this is what has happed to me during these events. I was away for a long time, as runescape had gotten old. LardMaster contacted me on MSN asking many random questions about client hacking. Eventually he reveals that SolarWind is working on a bot. SolarWind, who up until this point I had not met, begins to ask for help on his bot. I walked him through java reflection and hacking the client. We managed to get the small number of available hooks working as required. The bot was built, tested, SCAR communication added, and posted on SRL. The intent of this bot was to provide easy and flawless walking for SCAR. You may argue that you already have flawless walking, which I agree with. However, you also must agree that it’s not something that you can pick up on quickly. I added some more hooks to the bot and posted them. At this point I began to notice that most everyone here did not like SolarWind. I have through this time experianced support from Fakawi, (mild) interest from Freddy, and rejection from Whizzup.

    People have accused KYAB of being everything from RSDemon in disguise, to IBot trying to take over Scar. My question is, what did KYAB do to spark such a flat out war between people who usually get along? More to the point, is it the monster you hate, or the creators? I am, personally, disinclined to develop KYAB any further if people are going to go to war over it. However, it is my opinion that most people who disagree with KYAB have not used it, and have no real founding in their beliefs. Here is what I don't understand: I've been around for a very long time; I saw AutoRune fall, I saw Scar born, I watched Aryan rise, and fall. I was loosely associated with Arga, and I’ve watched the mindset of the cheating community change, however, in my entire time of cheating I have never seen a project publicly ridiculed and bashed the way KYAB has been. Everyone looked forward to xScar which is the same thing in essence, Scar users looked forward to Aryan, AutoRune users were mildly interested in Scar... All other advancements were appreciated, except here. Interestingly, (god save me) the Impsoft forums seem more interested in KYAB in general, and most of them have not even seen it... So, someone tell me why there is such a hatred of adding extra features into scar?

    In my humble opinion, I think everyone, including SolarWind, is making KYAB seem more powerful and dangerous than it really is. This whole thing is just a massive misunderstanding between people involving events from the past which should have been resolved differently. The hard feelings spawned from misinformation, many opinions taken too seriously, and overreactions from people on both sides. Sadly, SolarWind hasn’t helped matters by being generally hard to get along with for anyone who he doesn’t like.


    I’m not one to speak my mind; I would rather let people go about their lives never knowing what I think about them. I have other things to attend to besides RuneScape, and it bothers me that I put in a good solid week of work into this bot, along with coming back to the forums. Because of this, I might very well be taking the dislike of KYAB too personally. If I wasn’t working on another project at the moment, this whole fiasco would most likely convince me to drift back away from all things RuneScape. That being said, here are my opinions.

    SRL is my favorite community because of the atmosphere and the absence of the need to make money. The Developers of SRL appear to have lost their enthusiasm. Most cheaters in all forums have little or no knowledge of the method of cheating they are using. There are very few major Scar advancements (including KYAB, its not major). Generally, everyone acts hypocritical whether they realize it or not. I’ve never been much of a Scar scripter, and I’ve often wondered why I was requested to join the SRL Devs, although I’ve done my best to contribute what I can, including a new mouse that may or may not be used in SRL. Most people refuse to see eye to eye with another person, and believe only in their view point. Dislike has become much more common than friendliness in the entire cheating community. Impsoft and SRL fighting/not getting along is just stupid; you are all cheaters going towards the same goal. If you’ve read everything I’ve written; you’re insane. KYAB is not the end of the world, the best bot in history, the biggest blow to Jagex, the best thing that happened to Scar, comparable to RSDemon, or at all untrustworthy. Fakawi, I understand your points, and agree with most. Whizup, I realize that you and SolarWind pretty much hate each other. SolarWind, you are too dramatic and to quick to attack. BenLand100, why do you even try anymore? Scar users, don't use KYAB if you don't want to, don’t use SRL if you don’t want to, don’t use Scar for RuneScape if you don’t want to, don’t use the new scar if you don’t like Freddy (joking ).

    I fully understand and support KYAB and SRL being two separate and unrelated entities. I only meant it to be an addition that people could use, without being part of SRL. However, people took it too far, and angered others by making suggestions like adding it to Scar, which was absurd to begin with.

    As a final statement, anyone who does not see a community of brilliant minds for the powerful thing it is has missed the whole point of RuneScape cheating. We are all hopefully here to learn and contribute. But we must also remember that there are real people on the other end of the line. Life is too short to dislike people because of the way they are, and there is no reason to try to change them to a manner preferred by yourself; you will only make things worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BenLand100 View Post
    Scar users, don't use KYAB if you don't want to, don’t use SRL if you don’t want to, don’t use Scar for RuneScape if you don’t want to, don’t use the new scar if you don’t like Freddy (joking ).

    I fully understand and support KYAB and SRL being two separate and unrelated entities.

    As a final statement, anyone who does not see a community of brilliant minds for the powerful thing it is has missed the whole point of RuneScape cheating. We are all hopefully here to learn and contribute. But we must also remember that there are real people on the other end of the line. Life is too short to dislike people because of the way they are, and there is no reason to try to change them to a manner preferred by yourself; you will only make things worse.
    It's true, every last word of it. We all need to try to be more agreable, more polite, more helpfull, more respectfull, and less radical. It will be what makes this community a good, safe place to be. There really is no use arguing, and I feel that any attempt made to (like saying kyab sucks because of xyz) shoud be frowned upon greatly by this community.

    I need to personally apologie as well, I hvae gotten wrpped up into this whole ordeal pretty heavily. From solar threateneing to destroy srl with it, I probably have caused a few un peacefull posts. I apologize to anyone I have offended.
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    Correct Ben.

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    Well, I'm not a scripter and never will be, but here is what I pull out of this thread and the last few years of researching autoing before I perked up the courage to try .. you have three groups of people: 1) scripters, 2) people who use scripts and share their experiences with group one to help the scripters improve their scripts, and 3) people who use scripts and don't do anything to help.

    The first group is going to have the best opportunity to access KYAB. There aren't enough people in the first group who will use it as consistently as people are using SCAR and SRL.

    The second group will not have an opportunity to access KYAB; therefore the scripts will never be as refined as some of the SCAR/SRL scripts.

    The third group will manage to get a hold of KYAB from some corrupt member of the first group and subsequently throw a wrench in the entire operation.

    Just my thoughts and could be completely off-base .. but I would say that knowledge and creation are always lovely things .. just be mindful of your desired outcome and strive towards that end. Every product needs a customer and sometimes the best customers are not the ones who are in competition with your product - if you restrict it to the first group you will miss out on a huge customer input base.

    I for one as a part of the second group will continue to use SCAR/SRL and share my observations with the talented people who script for them If given the opportunity to try KYAB I probably would, but not restrict myself to either product solely .. instead would restrict myself by scripts

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    agreed ben

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    I think everyone should read ever word of Ben's post because it is important and is exactly how i feel about SRL i have lost my main recently all the hard money i worked for while i was still playing runescape.

    I no longer care about getting back at jagex i no longer get the desire to get a script such as an iron miner and banker and run it to get that awesome gp, i no longer care about runescape what i care about is being in this community i am not sure why i like so much being here all day long (i spend countless our at these forums daily).

    What i do care is about learning to script learning learning learning!

    As a final statement IMO i say that with or without KYAB i will never leave this community i also think KYAB looks like it helps our scripting so why not use it?

    when we get the walking part of our scripts done easier then we can focus on more important things thus improve our scripts more to the breaking limit!

    I must apologize that i have no authority to post this because i am not yet a SRL member (you wait and see) so its most likely that no one will read this but if they do try and understand my points of view please.

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    Im going to be completly realistic here for a moment. The problem right now between the 2 groups that have formed (pro kyab and anti kyab) is peoples language and attitude towards one another.

    Theres alot of flaming and disrespect going on in a community that was built out of respect and a desire to make the ultimate undetectable runescape cheat. In all reality its peoples attitudes and language towards one another that has led to this divide.

    A majority of users want to use Kyab and scar srl both as seen in the poll. This is not a cheap hack like aryan, this is not a raping client like rsdemon. This is a well thought out intelligent client that has amazing capabilites as you can see if you run a script on it. Call it dumbing ,down call it what you like ,it makes srl and scar much more reliable.

    I have used scar for along time now and walking and detection have always been a problem. Why shun something that can fix this problem? This community has always strived to perfect scar and this client can do it.

    It needs to be kept private and it needs to be watched closely for leechers because it does have potential for abuse because its reliabilty. But the devs of KYAB are taking every measure they can to prevent this.

    I respect anyone intelligent enough to create this cheats. It blows my mind that people 15 years younger than me can create something so complex. We need to realize that if we worked together and stopped having attitudes towards one another we could take scar and srl to another level with this client.

    Sure there may be issues involved with messing with the rs java client and if srl does not want to deal with them thats fine. He has his own forum to post it on now. Seperate but together sounds good to me, just remember next time you get ready to cuss someone out or flame them it really dont help.

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    Make love not war!

    KYAB is a wonderful application which you MAY use. You aren't forced to use it, just use it if you want to! But if you don't use KYAB, do not dislike the guys who do use it.

    Now give each other a big hug!
    Verrekte Koekwous

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    I guess its safe to lock now, is it?


    Thank you everybody for keeping this a descent discussion. I respect your views and all have brought up very convincing points that has given great elaboration to this discussion.

    I hope I am not offending anybody by closing it now.....

    Peace out.
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