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    Hyper, truly I respect you. Heres a link for some prophecies that have already been fulfilled
    http://www.100prophecies.org/
    Most of these concern other countries than the U.S., mind you.
    Theres another interpretation, and frankly I don't believe this prophecy refers to the Twin Towers, because it speaks of "And on every lofty mountain and on every high hill there will be rivers and streams of waters, in the day of the great slaughter, when the towers fall."
    This would make perfect since, but I haven't heard about streams of water on 'Every lofty mountain and on every high hill' so I think that it meant the Tower of Babel, switching Slaughter with Destruction, that would make even more sense.
    and also, in response to the creator of this thread and the creator of that video...

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    Lots of people generalize religion to be one big blob of goo. This is just one of the slime balls who think that religion was created out of man's insanity. They look at the theories, stamp it as good or evil, ignore all the history that is put into some of them, and then walk away, shaking their heads. This particular slime ball(Creator of this thread) agrees with some angry fool who thinks that his rights are being invaded for his being ignorant. Why am I calling him ignorant? Despite his not believing in God, he doesn't even seem to know America's history. America has a Christian Policy, for the most part, until lawyers come and screw things over. The reason they said something along the lines of it not being a Christian country, was because if they said it was, they would have the right to persecute anyone who is not of the Christian faith. Secondly, having "In God We Trust" is a tradition, that symbolizes that this country IS Christian. Don't get too worked up about it, I'm sure when fools like you take over, it will be along the lines of "In Science We Trust." That would be fine, that would only invade the rights of people who don't believe in Science. Thirdly, wmds...Religion doesn't build a wmd. 'Nuff said. Having a nutjob who believes that his being ruler is justification of his use of power is a coincidence (Kim Jong), the United States doesn't deal with wmds. Christianity does not support the use of wmds. Islam does not support the use of wmds. CULTISTS, who warp everything they hear and read (if they can), support the use of wmds, the creator of that video, and anyone who buys it, is a fool.
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    tower of babel...but the big thing there is 'towerS' so that is why scholars believe it to be the twin towers

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    How do we know that there wasn't another tower that fell with the Tower of Babel? The only way that it could be a prophecy about 9/11 would be if streams was referring to tears.
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    Let me quote some stuff off the top of my head from a pamphlet I read a while ago...nvm, I found it directly from the book:

    So yeah...just read it.

    Let's look at the same thought from another angle. If I were to make an absolute statement such as, "There is no gold in China," what is needed for that statement to be proven true? I need absolute or total knowledge. I need to have information that there is no gold in any rock, in any river, in the ground, in any store, in any ring, or in any mouth (gold filling) in China. If there is one speck of gold in China, then my statement is false and I have no basis for it. I need absolute knowledge before I can make an absolute statement. Conversely, for me to say, "There is gold in China," I don't need to have all knowledge. I just need to have seen a speck of gold in the country, and the statement is then true.

    To say categorically, "There is no God," is to make an absolute statement. For the statement to be true, I must know for certain that there is no God in the entire universe. No human being has all knowledge. Therefore, none of us is able to truthfully make this assertion.

    If you insist upon disbelief in God, what you must say is, "Having the limited knowledge I have at present, I believe that there is no God." Owing to a lack of knowledge on your part, you don't know if God exists. So, in the strict sense of the word, you cannot be an atheist. The only true qualifier for the title is the One who has absolute knowledge, and why on earth would God want to deny His own existence?

    The professing atheist is what is commonly known as an "agnostic"--one who claims he "doesn't know" if God exists. It is interesting to note that the Latin equivalent for the Greek word is "ignoramus." The Bible tells us that this ignorance is "willful" (Psalm 10:4). It's not that a person can't find God, but that he won't. It has been rightly said that the "atheist" can't find God for the same reason a thief can't find a policeman. He knows that if he admits that there is a God, he is admitting that he is ultimately responsible to Him. This is not a pleasant thought for some.

    It is said that Mussolini (the Italian dictator), once stood on a pinnacle and cried, "'God, if you are there, strike me dead!" When God didn't immediately bow to his dictates, Mussolini then concluded that there was no God. However, his prayer was answered some time later.

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    Yeah, that right there just owned this thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HyperSecret View Post
    PS: Did you know the bible predicted the twin towers falling?

    Isaiah 30:25 - On every lofty mountain and on every high hill there will be streams running with water on the day of the great slaughter, when the towers fall.
    give me a break. dont be an idiot. 9.9

    i mean i supose if you are LOOKING for where the bible talk about the twin towers, ud think u found it, like on a test or something.

    but thats just stupid. compared to the stuff predicated in the bible, thw twin towers are nothing.

    dont be a zealot.

    dont belive everyhting you hear.

    else your no longer chrisitan, you are an idol worhsiper.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HyperSecret View Post
    PS: Did you know the bible predicted the twin towers falling?

    Isaiah 30:25 - On every lofty mountain and on every high hill there will be streams running with water on the day of the great slaughter, when the towers fall.
    Heh, even I don't believe that. But the Bible predicts a lot of things. Believe it or not, things the Bible has predicted are comming true all the time. One thing, Israelites are comming back to Israel at the same time people are able to see things happening on the other side of the world thanks to that useful box that everyone adores h):. And all those signs marks the arrival of...well you know who...

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    yes... the one thing i dislike about bible bashers(not a flame, more of an endearment) is the way that if there is something in the bible that happens in real life, no matter how abstract it is from the actual bible reference, they will immediately jump on it and say "hey look, heres proof"
    with a 2000+ page book, written >2000 years ago(old testament as well) there are bound to be some consistencies if you look hard enough.
    the United States doesn't deal with wmds. Christianity does not support the use of wmds. Islam does not support the use of wmds. CULTISTS, who warp everything they hear and read (if they can), support the use of wmds, the creator of that video, and anyone who buys it, is a fool.
    OH???? america doesnt deal with WMDs????
    so they have the worlds largest stockpile of WMD's for decoration?
    they spend more then any other country in the world on funding to research new ways of making/producing(NOT defending against) WMD's?

    america doesnt need to have the stance of "pro-WMD", because of the well known fact that they will use them without hesitation if they need to. if anyone takes a step back and looks at the situation objectively, you will see that america is exactly the type of country that uses WMD's

    i dont think there is a single islamic country with a WMD of its own...
    http://www.fas.org/irp/threat/wmd_state.htm
    nope, i was wrong...
    ok, there are less then 4 countries with WMD's
    compared to easily more then 15 christian countries.
    I can give you plenty of good reasons as to why, but lets start with "Where did the big bang come on?" "Where did the bacteria that supposedly evolved into man come from? A collection of atoms with static electricity?" As Einstein once wrote, "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."
    einstien said that only because at the time, the church funded most scientific research. so what he said was actually correct. without the churches funding, science was lame(i.e. could not move foward)
    where did the big bang come from?
    i would direct you to google, but i think i better explain this one myself.
    before the big bang, time did not exist. therefore, there is no "before" the big bang, in much the same way that you christians believe that before the earth, only god existed, and there is no "before" god existed.
    where did bacteria come from?
    again, you could have quite easily googled this.
    there are 2 theories as to the original developement of life, as i have a biology exam in three hours, both are still pretty fresh in my mind.
    the first theory is chemical evolution.
    this states that 3.5-4BYA, the gasses in the atmosphere, combined with the huge lightning storms at the time, produced amino acids(google "urey and miller experiment" for evidence), amino acids eventually formed nuclei(a singular nucleus) and after that a cell membrane
    hence prokaryotic cells were formed.
    interesting things to google on this topic:
    urey and miller experiment
    oparen and haldane(oparen might not be the right spelling)
    archaea

    second theory:
    as there was no ozone layer at the time of formation of the first cells(3.5 BYA) there were alot of meteors crashing into the earth(for evidence, look at the moon, you notice alot of meteor craters? notice the moon has no ozone? 1 + 1 = 2)
    in the 1970's several tests were done on meteors that had recently hit earth, it was found that the meteors actually contained biologically viable(i.e. could eventually form into cells under the right conditions) amino acids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elementalelf View Post
    yes... the one thing i dislike about bible bashers(not a flame, more of an endearment) is the way that if there is something in the bible that happens in real life, no matter how abstract it is from the actual bible reference, they will immediately jump on it and say "hey look, heres proof"
    with a 2000+ page book, written >2000 years ago(old testament as well) there are bound to be some consistencies if you look hard enough.

    OH???? america doesnt deal with WMDs????
    so they have the worlds largest stockpile of WMD's for decoration?
    they spend more then any other country in the world on funding to research new ways of making/producing(NOT defending against) WMD's?

    america doesnt need to have the stance of "pro-WMD", because of the well known fact that they will use them without hesitation if they need to. if anyone takes a step back and looks at the situation objectively, you will see that america is exactly the type of country that uses WMD's

    i dont think there is a single islamic country with a WMD of its own...
    http://www.fas.org/irp/threat/wmd_state.htm
    nope, i was wrong...
    ok, there are less then 4 countries with WMD's
    compared to easily more then 15 christian countries.

    einstien said that only because at the time, the church funded most scientific research. so what he said was actually correct. without the churches funding, science was lame(i.e. could not move foward)
    where did the big bang come from?
    i would direct you to google, but i think i better explain this one myself.
    before the big bang, time did not exist. therefore, there is no "before" the big bang, in much the same way that you christians believe that before the earth, only god existed, and there is no "before" god existed.
    where did bacteria come from?
    again, you could have quite easily googled this.
    there are 2 theories as to the original developement of life, as i have a biology exam in three hours, both are still pretty fresh in my mind.
    the first theory is chemical evolution.
    this states that 3.5-4BYA, the gasses in the atmosphere, combined with the huge lightning storms at the time, produced amino acids(google "urey and miller experiment" for evidence), amino acids eventually formed nuclei(a singular nucleus) and after that a cell membrane
    hence prokaryotic cells were formed.
    interesting things to google on this topic:
    urey and miller experiment
    oparen and haldane(oparen might not be the right spelling)
    archaea

    second theory:
    as there was no ozone layer at the time of formation of the first cells(3.5 BYA) there were alot of meteors crashing into the earth(for evidence, look at the moon, you notice alot of meteor craters? notice the moon has no ozone? 1 + 1 = 2)
    in the 1970's several tests were done on meteors that had recently hit earth, it was found that the meteors actually contained biologically viable(i.e. could eventually form into cells under the right conditions) amino acids.
    Hahaha. Ok, first of all, define Christian countries. The US? No way. Israel? Obviously not. UK? No.. Germany? Still no. Then what?? You tell me. And all those chemical and acids stuff is apparently just completely random stuff repeated over and over again.

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    Seriously.....I mean if there was no god how was the universe created??? ok ur gonna tell me some thing else created it....but what created that other thing? we can go on and we will only find out some 1 created this. or will w8 for death
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    You can get angry at me for not being an atheist that hides behind the words of scientists, but really now. America has only used two wmds, and it's been ages. You can give me these ridiculous theories, but I am not changing my mind. The Holy Bible had things inside of it that scientists didn't learn about for thousands of years, and in my opinion, people like you, elemental, make science out to be a religion by itself. And yes, the predictions in the bible, supposedly 'Man will never know when the beast is coming' and something along the lines of 'Man will never understand the predictions.' Theres no telling, except that it is something completely beyond us. It isn't like I'm some special Saint or Apostle that can tell you what the predictions mean. Even they couldn't do that. And what gets me is that when something new is uncovered, a mistranslation, something along those lines, you people always jump up thinking it's some kind of proof that we're frauds.

    If you ask me, you people are just overly frightened by his judgment considering the way you hound us, calling us fools, liars, hypocrites and the such. We aren't perfect, we just believe in Jesus Christ. I hate to say it, but I think the real reason the poll scored 50 percent religious was we were offended. Kind of a good thing, in my opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JackLKrawl View Post
    You can get angry at me for not being an atheist that hides behind the words of scientists, but really now. America has only used two wmds, and it's been ages. You can give me these ridiculous theories, but I am not changing my mind. The Holy Bible had things inside of it that scientists didn't learn about for thousands of years, and in my opinion, people like you, elemental, make science out to be a religion by itself. And yes, the predictions in the bible, supposedly 'Man will never know when the beast is coming' and something along the lines of 'Man will never understand the predictions.' Theres no telling, except that it is something completely beyond us. It isn't like I'm some special Saint or Apostle that can tell you what the predictions mean. Even they couldn't do that. And what gets me is that when something new is uncovered, a mistranslation, something along those lines, you people always jump up thinking it's some kind of proof that we're frauds.

    If you ask me, you people are just overly frightened by his judgment considering the way you hound us, calling us fools, liars, hypocrites and the such. We aren't perfect, we just believe in Jesus Christ. I hate to say it, but I think the real reason the poll scored 50 percent religious was we were offended. Kind of a good thing, in my opinion.
    Why be angry m8? the quran stated lots of things to that scientists didnt kno about 1400 years ago. And tell now they are learning off it. If you need proof search google. Now the bible and the guran or gospel and what ever they arn't fake no 1 1400-3000 years ago could've known this stuff with out todays technology. That means one thing, that their is a god above us whatching.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eugeniu View Post
    Hahaha. Ok, first of all, define Christian countries. The US? No way. Israel? Obviously not. UK? No.. Germany? Still no. Then
    what?? You tell me. And all those chemical and acids stuff is apparently just completely random stuff repeated over and over again.
    a christian country is a country where the majority of the population is christian.
    US: yes way
    israel: jewish, not christian.
    UK: yes
    germany yes.

    did you actually take my advice and google this stuff?
    urey and miller experiment showed the theory to be plausible.
    the problem alot of bible bashers have with evolution is they dont understand the concept of time. the time it took for this to happen was billions of years.
    1 billion from having a barren wasteland without an ozone layer to the first heterotrophic prokaryotic cells. another 2 billion from then to the first eukaryotic cells. another 1 billion from that to the formation of amphibians.
    it was based on random events, but these random events had millions of years to happen, so something that was once a 1 in 1000000 chance becomes 1 in 2, or 1 in 1 1/2
    Why be angry m8? the quran stated lots of things to that scientists didnt kno about 1400 years ago. And tell now they are learning off it. If you need proof search google. Now the bible and the guran or gospel and what ever they arn't fake no 1 1400-3000 years ago could've known this stuff with out todays technology. That means one thing, that their is a god above us whatching.
    i thought it was agreed that god did not write the bible, but that men wrote it, and even then, nobody within religious circles can agree on who wrote what.
    most christians/jews believe that moses wrote the pentacost, however the differences in writing styles in each of the books is so varied that its next to impossible that this could have happened.
    and what stuff could we not have "known" 1400-3000 years ago? that MAYBE, some time in the next 100, 000 years, 2 buildings might fall down at the same time? this isnt divination, its a fairy tale that just happened to tell of something which, if twisted the right way, resembles an occurance which happened recently.
    does this mean that if someone sees a turtle walking past a sleeping rabbit, aesop is god?
    how about if a geologist predicts an earthquake happens and it does, should we worship him?

    You can get angry at me for not being an atheist that hides behind the words of scientists, but really now. America has only used two wmds, and it's been ages.
    so why do they still produce them? why not destroy ALL their WMD's in a sign of peace? have you ever heard the saying "a threat is often more terrifying then the thing itself"
    america doesnt need to actually launch WMD's, the mere fact that they have them is enough to make most countries fall in suit.
    but this is getting away from the topic
    You can give me these ridiculous theories, but I am not changing my mind. The Holy Bible had things inside of it that scientists didn't learn about for thousands of years, and in my opinion, people like you, elemental, make science out to be a religion by itself.
    the difference between science and religion is that science relies on evidence.
    all scientists will be happy to convert to christianity as soon as there is some evidence that it is correct.
    look back to about 100-400 years ago, when the church funded most scientific projects, all scientists were christian, however as soon as evidence was discovered that god probably does not exist, they stopped believing
    science is all about what is the most probable theory.
    as soon as someone proves god exists, ill follow religion
    And yes, the predictions in the bible, supposedly 'Man will never know when the beast is coming' and something along the lines of 'Man will never understand the predictions.' Theres no telling, except that it is something completely beyond us. It isn't like I'm some special Saint or Apostle that can tell you what the predictions mean. Even they couldn't do that. And what gets me is that when something new is uncovered, a mistranslation, something along those lines, you people always jump up thinking it's some kind of proof that we're frauds.
    and yet when a mistranslation occurs which predicts something such as the twin towers, even if it is an extremely abstract connection, you christians jump on it and purport it as absolute irrefutable evidence that god exists.
    If you ask me, you people are just overly frightened by his judgment considering the way you hound us, calling us fools, liars, hypocrites and the such. We aren't perfect, we just believe in Jesus Christ. I hate to say it, but I think the real reason the poll scored 50 percent religious was we were offended. Kind of a good thing, in my opinion.
    you are offended that people could possibly have a different opinion to you? how conservative of you.
    for the most part, athiests only want to be left alone as far as their religious choices are concerned. we dont walk around with personal charms which show us to be athiests, like you do with a cross, usually hung around your neck.
    if jesus(provided he WAS the son of god) came back as told in the bible, dont you think the last thing he would want to see is a reminder of the most painful thing he ever had to experience as a human?
    i think the reason the poll scored 50% was because about 50% of people here are christians. that was the purpose of the poll, and therefore, one can only conclude that that is an accurate result.
    i for one, am NOT scared of any judgement passed(provided a theistic god exists) for these reasons:
    note: i am making these reasons on the pretext that god DOES exist
    -god made this world so complex so that we would be intrigued enough to observe it in the most minute detail
    -god gave us brains capable of reasoning so that we would question everything. if he gave us brains, and expected us to follow blindly, then he is obviously a very sadistic being.
    -god made me the way i am, he made me in such a way that i would attempt to find flaws in every arguement in order to better my understanding of the world.
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    Seriously.....I mean if there was no god how was the universe created??? ok ur gonna tell me some thing else created it....but what created that other thing? we can go on and we will only find out some 1 created this. or will w8 for death
    i have already addressed this in a similar thread on sythe.org, however i will reiterate here.
    im sure most of you are familiar with the theory of the big bang.
    if you are familiar with the DETAILS of it, you will know that the theory states that time as a dimension was created when the big bang occurred.
    therefore, there was no "before" the big bang, only an "after" as "before" as a concept did not exist.
    its hard for most to understand, and next to impossible if you dont understand evolution, which is pretty evident by your stance toward it.
    as for why the big bang occurred...
    if there is no time, then anything that has any chance of happening, even if its 1 in infinity minus one(not a real number) WILL happen, because, if you study probabilities, you will know that the more times something occurs, the more chance it has that the random event happens.
    there was an infinitely small chance that the big bang would occur, however there was still a chance, and therefore, it did.

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    I have one thing to add to this...Please correct me if anyone has said this

    The big bang - Scientist believed it to a be a tiny universe with a whole lot of packed energy in the middle and then it suddenly it exploded, expanding the universe...

    this was just a solution for all the helium in the sun and universe...Scientist found it impossible for the sun to produce that much helium, so one man...forgot his name came up with this theory...

    There is evidence to support this theory to...There was a giant ear piece like thing that was owned by the government to pick up radiation sounds to find dence parts of the universe...As they heard crackly radio signals which showed dence parts of the universe they sometimes they got a almost perfect, clear, buzzing sound...They believe this to be because of the Big bang.

    So for all you atheists out there, don't try disprove god if you can't make up for all the helium in the universe...

    I am only 13 and am worst when it comes to debating these things...please correct me if I have said anything wrong...This information was completely off the documentary "ATOM"...About quantum physics of course...My brother whos finishing his HSC was watching so I just joined in coz I was bored and there was nothing better to do...

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhAcK View Post
    I have one thing to add to this...Please correct me if anyone has said this

    The big bang - Scientist believed it to a be a tiny universe with a whole lot of packed energy in the middle and then it suddenly it exploded, expanding the universe...

    this was just a solution for all the helium in the sun and universe...Scientist found it impossible for the sun to produce that much helium, so one man...forgot his name came up with this theory...

    There is evidence to support this theory to...There was a giant ear piece like thing that was owned by the government to pick up radiation sounds to find dence parts of the universe...As they heard crackly radio signals which showed dence parts of the universe they sometimes they got a almost perfect, clear, buzzing sound...They believe this to be because of the Big bang.

    So for all you atheists out there, don't try disprove god if you can't make up for all the helium in the universe...

    I am only 13 and am worst when it comes to debating these things...please correct me if I have said anything wrong...This information was completely off the documentary "ATOM"...About quantum physics of course...My brother whos finishing his HSC was watching so I just joined in coz I was bored and there was nothing better to do...
    you are 13, meaning you havnt done basic physics yet.
    to make a helium atom, get a hydrogen atom, and add a proton and neutron.


    the buzzing sound is leftover radiation from matter/antimatter collisions

    the big bang wasnt a "tiny universe" it was a singularity.

    stars dont produce helium, they convert hydrogen to helium through fusion.

    maybe you should have asked your brother to explain it to you if there were parts you didnt understand

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    sure. ill give you that.

    scientist dont know where the helium cam from.

    and you have no idea where your god came from.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elementalelf View Post
    you are 13, meaning you havnt done basic physics yet.
    to make a helium atom, get a hydrogen atom, and add a proton and neutron.


    the buzzing sound is leftover radiation from matter/antimatter collisions

    the big bang wasnt a "tiny universe" it was a singularity.

    stars dont produce helium, they convert hydrogen to helium through fusion.

    maybe you should have asked your brother to explain it to you if there were parts you didnt understand
    Okey...from what ive heard....correct me if im wrong...there are 100 to the power of 70-80 atoms in the world...now if the universe was 10m by 10m and you placed 1 atom inside it...the hole universe would implode...that just tells you what an empty vacume the universe is...Now when a super nova occurs...The radiation is not as powerful as it extends out and disperses and then fades away over time...So when you say "the buzzing sound is leftover radiation from matter/antimatter collisions" your basically saying that there is always high activity going around in the universe...an antimatter collisions wouldn't cause hardly enough radiation to spread a great distance...Thats why when a large amount of empty vacume is found a clear sound is found instead of the rough one...And scientist can only guess where it comes from...

    Im gone a stop posting on this thread now...Im making my self look like a real dumb ass who knows nothing...

    Oh yer...I really need to talk to my brother about this to understand it properly...

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhAcK View Post
    Okey...from what ive heard....correct me if im wrong...there are 100 to the power of 70-80 atoms in the world...now if the universe was 10m by 10m and you placed 1 atom inside it...the hole universe would implode...that just tells you what an empty vacume the universe is...Now when a super nova occurs...The radiation is not as powerful as it extends out and disperses and then fades away over time...So when you say "the buzzing sound is leftover radiation from matter/antimatter collisions" your basically saying that there is always high activity going around in the universe...an antimatter collisions wouldn't cause hardly enough radiation to spread a great distance...Thats why when a large amount of empty vacume is found a clear sound is found instead of the rough one...And scientist can only guess where it comes from...

    Im gone a stop posting on this thread now...Im making my self look like a real dumb ass who knows nothing...

    Oh yer...I really need to talk to my brother about this to understand it properly...
    the problem is that you are underestimating the power of antimatter. there is no antimatter left, it all dispersed in the first 1/100 of a second of the universe. however the energy, and subsequent radiation from said explosion was enough to push everything in the galaxy to its present day position, that will sorta tell you how powerful it is.
    i dont get the 10x10 thing, it makes no sense.
    nor the clear/rough sound, sounds dont have texture...

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    Quote Originally Posted by elementalelf View Post
    the problem is that you are underestimating the power of antimatter. there is no antimatter left, it all dispersed in the first 1/100 of a second of the universe. however the energy, and subsequent radiation from said explosion was enough to push everything in the galaxy to its present day position, that will sorta tell you how powerful it is.
    i dont get the 10x10 thing, it makes no sense.
    nor the clear/rough sound, sounds dont have texture...
    Ok this is my final post...

    The 10x10 thing has basically all to do with gravity...nvm...Watch the documentary and you will find out...

    rough - because of certain dencities...

    Clear - coz I guess it runs through the entire universe idk...don't ask me im just someone 13 year sharing what I heard on a documentary...

    Supernova - Common...how often do you think they really happen in the universe... and what the chance of someone constantly hitting one area where they happen...

    I believe in god and im happy to have some form of law...I am comfortable living the way I am and plan to live always as a Greek orthodox...

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    i thought it was agreed that god did not write the bible, but that men wrote it, and even then, nobody within religious circles can agree on who wrote what.
    most christians/jews believe that moses wrote the pentacost, however the differences in writing styles in each of the books is so varied that its next to impossible that this could have happened.
    and what stuff could we not have "known" 1400-3000 years ago? that MAYBE, some time in the next 100, 000 years, 2 buildings might fall down at the same time? this isnt divination, its a fairy tale that just happened to tell of something which, if twisted the right way, resembles an occurance which happened recently.
    does this mean that if someone sees a turtle walking past a sleeping rabbit, aesop is god?
    how about if a geologist predicts an earthquake happens and it does, should we worship him?
    The bible nor the quran never stated anything about 2 towers falling down. they just stated some scientistical things that science never knew about tell recently. also the quran and bible arn't books about when natrual disasters are to occur. open them up and you will see what they state. god did make the bible and he did send it down with prophet jesus. however after a few hundred years after jesus was risen to the sky, some men started messing up with the bible.
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    The bible nor the quran never stated anything about 2 towers falling down. they just stated some scientistical things that science never knew about tell recently. also the quran and bible arn't books about when natrual disasters are to occur. open them up and you will see what they state. god did make the bible and he did send it down with prophet jesus. however after a few hundred years after jesus was risen to the sky, some men started messing up with the bible.
    i bolded your spelling and punctuation mistakes... and i refuse to answer any questions until you take the debate seriously enough to use spellcheck.

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    I know that lots of us are scripters, and technically/computer inclined, so lets take an approach from a scientific perspective.

    Consider entropy. Okay, it basically means that things degenerate over time if untouched. It's like your room - you don't clean it, it will ONLY get messier or stay the same. You smash a bottle easily, though fixing it to its perfect original state is almost impossible. Building a good SCAR script takes days. Deleting it requires a few keystrokes. You get what I mean.

    But look at the life all around us.. it grows, multiplies, and adapts to an ever changing environment. If you leave a building to the elements, life will generate within that building. Roots and leaves will push up through the concrete, and naturally "take over" without any effort what man had worked so hard to build. Life defies this main scientific rule. Which raises another question - where does life come from?

    Scientifically, life can only come from other life forms. Read your biology book. The only conclusion we can draw right now is that some power somewhere put life into existence, because obviously life couldn't have sprouted out of nowhere. (There have been experiments done to "create" simple cells in test tubes, but only produced various biological acids and proteins)

    From a physics perspective.. the Big Bang had to be perfect to create the universe as we know today. The chance of creating exactly the universe we know it is one in a couple quadrillion (i won't go into details). Also, it is now discovered and confirmed that the Big Bang came from one point in space. Now think about it. One point in space is nothing. NOTHING. Mathematically zero. So it is scientifically impossible, yet PROVEN that all space, time, energy, matter, and distance came from a single, one-dimensional point from nowhere.

    Obviously there is alot more to this universe than people could ever possibly imagine. Even Einstein said that his work was a little baby wading in a vast ocean of knowledge. Although not entirely religious, he strongly opposed atheists.

    Anyways, speaking religiously, Most Buddhists/Hindus/Confucians refer to this great, unmistakable, mysterious power as the Zen, Dao, Dhiyama, or Karma. Christians refer to this power as God, or as the Trinity - Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. Muslims refer to this power as Allah, and also take Mohammed as a prophet. North American natives refer to this power as the Great Spirit, creator of all things. None of these views are wrong - they are just of different cultures and different beliefs.

    I'm not saying that you should be religious, or atheist.. but the pure fact that science can never answer all our questions, and only serves to create more questions, while creating infinite solutions to our problems, and creating infinite problems at the same time should be taken into account.. as well as the fact that radical fundamentalists often turn into suicide bombers or "flat-Earthers" and hate science and freedom for women etc etc.

    (no pushing on my part to make you religious here) Personally, I am a Christian by faith - because it offers hope, salvation, and love to those in need and because I believe that God, this power has taken care of me and made miracles in times of dire need. But how exactly God works - I have no idea. But if I were to give you personal advice - it would be: Be open, questioning, and always ready to receive new ideas and perspectives about everything. Remember: Drop your sword and shield because human ideas in this world are neither right, nor wrong because every single one of us is different. And although the truth will never be known to us, and could be different for every one of us, we can choose to pursue it and receive enlightenment.

    (Pursuing the truth can be done through faith, religion, tradition, university, truck driving, SCAR scripting, art, music.. pretty much everything)
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    Elemental I don't think I like you very much. Everything you say is filled with sarcasm and cruelty, as if you are talking down to us. Need I remind you that we are a part of the same community? We aren't enemies shouting at each other on a battlefield, and I don't know why you're acting like we are. This is a matter over 'Which came first, the chicken or the egg?' switched with 'Which came first, god or science?'

    If you have ten cents worth of logic in there, the correct answer would be 'god' because god cannot created out of some crackpot imitation of life that you fools are so excited about. You cannot disprove the existence of god, so stop trying.

    Ever since you came to this thread you have been insulting us, you have been picking on us, you have been trying to start things. You have tried to convince people to throw away their beliefs based on teenager spelling. Get over yourself, this is the internet. No one said that there was a prophecy 'absolutely 100%ly' referring to the twin towers, we were just saying that there was a prophecy that MAY refer to the twin towers. The only reason we would do that is because it may refer to current events, which can act as reassurance. We aren't saints, we have our doubts - letters on pages won't always be enough, and sometimes we have to relate them to what is happening now.

    phoenixlament gets it, why can't you Elemental? Are you, as I said, too frightened to admit, that your science is too limited and always shall be to answer everything? You can come up with all these theories and say google is your proof, but that doesn't prove anything. All it means is that someone came up with just another theory.

    Some people say that religions are theories. They are not completely wrong, until they are proven, they will remain just that. Just like your sciences that you can't even prove, even with such a high level of arrogance. (Cruelty on) Obviously since you don't have a brain you can get science to clone one from Hillary Clinton for you. Maybe then you will have enough to get a job in the waffle business.
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    If you have ten cents worth of logic in there, the correct answer would be 'god' because god cannot created out of some crackpot imitation of life that you fools are so excited about. You cannot disprove the existence of god, so stop trying.
    and if YOU had ten cents of logic, you would realize that you cant prove god. so stop trying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lordgreggreg View Post
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    If you have ten cents worth of logic in there, the correct answer would be 'god' because god cannot created out of some crackpot imitation of life that you fools are so excited about. You cannot disprove the existence of god, so stop trying.
    and if YOU had ten cents of logic, you would realize that you cant prove god. so stop trying.
    fine fine fine...explain death. what happens to every one when they die. the soul what happens to it? science has nothing to do with death now, so dont give me any science crap, cause let me tell you science ain't everything.


    i bolded your spelling and punctuation mistakes... and i refuse to answer any questions until you take the debate seriously enough to use spellcheck.
    And does it look like if i care that my grammar is bad? no. you know why this whole thread was started about no god? you know why You are saying there is no god? its because you give no respect to what ever you have. its because you think church is a waste of time. its because you sit on the comp all day maybe or hang out with your friends to much or w/e and do not take religion seriously. You cant take one day just ONE day to go to church on sunday while we muslims we go to the masjid or church every day and we pray. one thing to all you non-god believers open up the bible or quran once and start reading. Have fun and maybe you will get some sense.
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