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    Well, it's getting late for me, so I'm going to respond to a few select things that jumped out at me.

    When talking about there only being one life, and only talking about heaven is disturbing, as it leaves out all the religions that have reincarnation as a basis. For them, it's the NEXT life they live for, and strive to do better in their current life to eventually work towards nirvana.

    Next, there will never be an absolute proof against or for God. Whoever says they found it is completely bullshitting. As God is the Omnipresence, having a proof that he is there is on the same level as being him; his power is supposedly infinite, therefore knowing even a fraction of him would be in effect infinite. Think of a finite loop nested in an infinite one.

    As for being a teenager, that is all a mind set. I for one am a teenager in age, but who here at these forums treats me like one? Uhm, I don't know for sure, but I am regarded as "one of the most eloquent people" (not trying to be condescending, but just quoting someone else). I have also graduated high school after 10th grade, so you can regard me as a dropout. I'll say that I don't believe in the current educational system in america. But I do have a diploma, and would've won valedictorian if not for my choice.

    If there was a heaven, and it is what evangelists say it is, I'd rather let my soul dissipate. In Heaven, they say everyone is rid of carnal desires and all bad intentions. If so, I basically am stripped of choice and what humans were made to do.

    Last thing, about sex, I don't believe it's a goal, but rather a drive. For example, put a hundred male monkeys in a cage, and a hundred females. Do they strive to get out? They'll eat once in a while, that's a necessity, but in time, they'll start having sex. Same with humans. At first, they'll want to get out. Next, they'll have sex like nothing else matters. Even scientists will, no matter if there's a lot of lab equipment in there with them, they'll do it. We don't know why, we just know that we live to reproduce.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Here View Post
    When talking about there only being one life, and only talking about heaven is disturbing, as it leaves out all the religions that have reincarnation as a basis. For them, it's the NEXT life they live for, and strive to do better in their current life to eventually work towards nirvana.
    Oops! Very true!, I compeltly forgot! But it really doesn't change too much... if there is no God, then there would be no reincarnation either (eww, that was a bad connection... sorry, think god=religion here). It still removes the idea of a higher level to have a purpose for. (Nirvana, the next life, heaven, any life after death will qualify)

    Quote Originally Posted by Here View Post
    Next, there will never be an absolute proof against or for God. Whoever says they found it is completely bullshitting. As God is the Omnipresence, having a proof that he is there is on the same level as being him; his power is supposedly infinite, therefore knowing even a fraction of him would be in effect infinite. Think of a finite loop nested in an infinite one.
    Great analogy! This is true both logically, religiously, and mathematically! I love it!

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    As for being a teenager, that is all a mind set. I for one am a teenager in age, but who here at these forums treats me like one?
    Not I, don't worry. I was referring to him, because I could tell that he was in that mind set.

    Quote Originally Posted by Here View Post
    If there was a heaven, and it is what evangelists say it is, I'd rather let my soul dissipate. In Heaven, they say everyone is rid of carnal desires and all bad intentions. If so, I basically am stripped of choice and what humans were made to do.
    Lol, yeah, I completely agree.
    Getting a little off topic, and a little bit into the religion of greg :P, I think in heaven, if your good enough and all... God wants us to become like him... and so mabey we get a change to make our own universe? And try our hands at this whole quantum thing... now ThAT! is some food for thought!.

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    Last thing, about sex, I don't believe it's a goal, but rather a drive. For example, put a hundred male monkeys in a cage, and a hundred females. Do they strive to get out? They'll eat once in a while, that's a necessity, but in time, they'll start having sex. Same with humans. At first, they'll want to get out. Next, they'll have sex like nothing else matters. Even scientists will, no matter if there's a lot of lab equipment in there with them, they'll do it. We don't know why, we just know that we live to reproduce.
    My point exactly. Except that I'm fairly confident that I wouldn't really break down to that level of carnal instincts really. But the drive would defanitly be there, and denying it is pure stupidity (unless you < puberty). It just happens to be a drive I choose to, and easy, can contol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Here View Post
    As for being a teenager, that is all a mind set. I for one am a teenager in age, but who here at these forums treats me like one? Uhm, I don't know for sure, but I am regarded as "one of the most eloquent people" (not trying to be condescending, but just quoting someone else). I have also graduated high school after 10th grade, so you can regard me as a dropout. I'll say that I don't believe in the current educational system in america. But I do have a diploma, and would've won valedictorian if not for my choice.
    10th grade? WTF! What was your GPA? I graduated normally this June but with a sexy Advanced Diploma which apparently doesn't do anything besides having silver stamps on your diploma

    Btw, what college do you go to/will you go to?
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    Completely off topic, but if you wanted to know, my GPA was about 4.6.
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    Haha, mine was 3.0 (didn't even try senior year-senioritis), the valedictorian was 4.8. I don't understand how you can get above a 4.0? Isn't that a perfect score?
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    AP classes. And honors, for the schools that count them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lolpie View Post
    Haha, mine was 3.0 (didn't even try senior year-senioritis), the valedictorian was 4.8. I don't understand how you can get above a 4.0? Isn't that a perfect score?
    You can get higher than a 4.0 by taking ap classes, which are worth a little bit more. I think a b in a ap class= and a in a regular one. If you care, mine was a 4.7, but thats so long ago, it' irrelevant.

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    I type shorter than you too.

    By the way, for people that care, check the BBQ pit. It has a new thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lordgreggreg View Post
    Why not? why wouldn't they have a real purpose? They would, they have to almost by definition
    Ok, they'd have a purpose, but it wouldn't matter what you did in your life on earth after you died if there was no Heaven, as life after death would then be nothing. Unless you believe in the whole Nirvana/Brahman thing that Here mentioned. I guess you'd just be leaving your mark.

    I dont think you know what you mean.
    I do, just suck at explaining it.

    Youre telling me that ALL of your goals are selfless? That you want to cure cancer on to help people, and not for the fame and fortune it would bring? How ideal, but sure.. for the sake of argument, I'll ride with it.
    Uh. . .actually I would like to cure cancer to help people. I've had some bad personal experiences with it. Can't say ALL of my goals are totally selfless, but I'd like to think at least most of them are. I wouldn't criticize a person's character until you at least know them either. . .

    Well, now your tlaking morality, and thats going to make this far to complicated. Most people set goals, becuase it is what makes them happy, or they in vision themself being happy completing it, for whatever reason (in yours, a happiness form helping people). The point on doing things helpful, It is the same, people do helpful things because it makes them feel good. And yes, your right, if there really is no heaven, then it defanitly lessens the argument against robbing a bank, but regardless, he would still have a goal, and a reason to live, without a heaven.
    Fair enough. I understand what you're trying to say a bit better now, and yes, I think I am talking a bit more about morals now.

    God is in heaven. We are like God. We all have a drive for progress. We will have that same drive in heaven. I won't be happy sitting on a cloud playing a harp no matter who I am around.
    How do you know we'll still have a drive for progress? And if we do, I believe he'd give us something to achieve or what not, rather just let us just sit there and twiddle our thumbs.

    Anyhow, thats off topic, the point is, it is NOT necessary to have a next higher plane, in order to have a purpose.
    My above comment pretty much agrees with that. . .I just don't think the same applies for earth as heaven.

    I can tell you think I'm an idiot, but you're entitled to your opinion. Arguing opinions and aruging facts are two different things, and I seem to be pretty bad at aruging for my opinions.

    @Here - Pretty amazing that you graduated after 10th grade. I too would be interested in where you are/will be attending college.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossback7 View Post
    Ok, they'd have a purpose, but it wouldn't matter what you did in your life on earth after you died if there was no Heaven, as life after death would then be nothing. Unless you believe in the whole Nirvana/Brahman thing that Here mentioned. I guess you'd just be leaving your mark.
    Maybe if you want to look at it like that.
    Point is, you asked me to prove if life would have a purpose without god, which I did, which you admitted.
    Also, there is more things driving people to make “right” choices than just trying to get into heaven. I’m very religious, but I never do anything just to get into hell.
    [QUOTE=crossback7;156177]Uh. . .actually I would like to cure cancer to help people. I've had some bad personal experiences with it. Can't say ALL of my goals are totally selfless, but I'd like to think at least most of them are. I wouldn't criticize a person's character until you at least know them either. . .
    Sorry, I wasn’t judging or criticizing you, in fact, I even gave you the rare benefit of the doubt. I just wanted you to recognize that most goals are not as noble as yours,
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    Fair enough. I understand what you're trying to say a bit better now, and yes, I think I am talking a bit more about morals now.
    Cool beans.

    Quote Originally Posted by crossback7 View Post
    How do you know we'll still have a drive for progress? And if we do, I believe he'd give us something to achieve or what not, rather just let us just sit there and twiddle our thumbs.
    Exactly We aren’t going to be twiddling our thumbs, there will be something to do, I am sure. Why am I sure we will still have a drive for progress? Because that drive is classically human, and we are made in God’s image, and therefore God has a drive for progress to (ignore the infinity perfection loop for the time being, if you have to.. perhaps god wasn’t always perfect.. but I’m not going to get into that, I have no grounds for it) and that God wants us to become like him (jesus style) therefore we will still have that drive. (forgive me for ignoring other non Christian religions.. im just not knowledgeable enough to know how it applies there)

    I degrees, the point is, there will be a purpose in heaven, (not twiddling thumbs) and that in itself proves that there can also be a purpose on a earth that doesn’t have a heaven. (unless you think that heaven has a heaven…but to keep it simple, dont)
    Quote Originally Posted by crossback7 View Post
    My above comment pretty much agrees with that. . .I just don't think the same applies for earth as heaven.
    No, you are right, the same things about earth and heaven will be limited. However, the whole “purpose” idea will remain the same, as you agreed.
    Quote Originally Posted by crossback7 View Post
    I can tell you think I'm an idiot, but you're entitled to your opinion. Arguing opinions and aruging facts are two different things, and I seem to be pretty bad at aruging for my opinions.
    No, I don’t think you are an idiot. Forgive for pointing out the weaknesses in your argument, but that doesn’t make you an idiot. Remember, I am just playing devils advocate right here. I completely agree with you, just not for the reasons you have mentioned. Erm, well, I agree that there is MORE of a purpose for earth life if you believe in a heaven… but there is one regardless too.
    Right now, we both have very little fact to go on. And arguing opinions is pointless too. If you look, my argument is based purly on logic. The only facts I really could (and did) use, were straight from what you told me, and my basic knowledge of common Christian belief (the whole… we are in god image stuff, and that heaven probly doesn’t have it own heaven). Those are enough (in the ways I wrote) to prove that purpose would still exist here on earth, even heaven less.
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    I guess we both saw pretty much the same thing, just in a bit different light. You argued very well though. Obviously outsmarted me

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossback7 View Post
    I guess we both saw pretty much the same thing, just in a bit different light. You argued very well though. Obviously outsmarted me
    when making a statement (especially a challenge) it is very important to make sure that you say it correctly, and don't exaggerate.
    NO purpose is eons different than LESS of a purpose. (now that I think of it, I probably could formulate a pretty nice, psychological argument to even refute the "less" part, but lets just keep it here for now, lol)
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    Quote Originally Posted by lordgreggreg View Post
    when making a statement (especially a challenge) it is very important to make sure that you say it correctly, and don't exaggerate.
    NO purpose is eons different than LESS of a purpose. (now that I think of it, I probably could formulate a pretty nice, psychological argument to even refute the "less" part, but lets just keep it here for now, lol)
    Uh. . .Good idea

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    You guys wait...I'm taking metaphysics this fall so I'll be back on this thread with some kickass arguments
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    Quote Originally Posted by lordgreggreg View Post
    when making a statement (especially a challenge) it is very important to make sure that you say it correctly, and don't exaggerate.
    NO purpose is eons different than LESS of a purpose. (now that I think of it, I probably could formulate a pretty nice, psychological argument to even refute the "less" part, but lets just keep it here for now, lol)
    WRONG! Depending on who you are (the government, an advertising agency) you want to blow up your statement as big as possible. Exaggerate like there is no hell. But if you're in a scientific/mathematic forum like this, you might not want to exaggerate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Here View Post
    WRONG! Depending on who you are (the government, an advertising agency) you want to blow up your statement as big as possible. Exaggerate like there is no hell. But if you're in a scientific/mathematic forum like this, you might not want to exaggerate.
    Lol, yep, if you are the government, or a politicians, you want to blow your point up so much that it is bearly even unrecognizable! Then, as an extra treat, make it as all encompassing yet unspecific as possible so you never have to contradict yourself, and so no one can ever prove you wrong, lol.
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    I can bet you that most presidents were with the Roman Catholic Religion. Most were/are part of organizations that are tied with the Roman Catholic religion.

    If a president was a true Christian, the leadership would be completely different. Every aspect would be completely different.

    Also about the Flying Spagghetti Monster (How dare I misspell his name) is ridiculous. I have proof it was created by a human...
    While the Christian religion wasn't created by a human, it does not even completely relate.
    What they're doing with the "Flying Spaghetti Monster" is just changing the names. Any idiot with a ph.D would know that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black J R View Post
    I can bet you that most presidents were with the Roman Catholic Religion. Most were/are part of organizations that are tied with the Roman Catholic religion.
    I don't understand how that is even relevant or important, or something even worth noting. All it means is that by probably purre popularity force it happened... I don't see what point you are trying to make with this.

    Quote Originally Posted by Black J R View Post
    If a president was a true Christian, the leadership would be completely different. Every aspect would be completely different.
    Lol, well yeah! He would get assasinated withing the week, lol. Besides, its quite obvious that when you run a country made of thousands of religions, you have no right to try to run it based on one.

    Quote Originally Posted by Black J R View Post
    Also about the Flying Spagghetti Monster (How dare I misspell his name) is ridiculous. I have proof it was created by a human...
    Why do you care? Don't you realise that it is completly impossible to prove even this religion wrong? It can't be done, your argument is groundless.
    Quote Originally Posted by Black J R View Post
    While the Christian religion wasn't created by a human
    Say WHAT?! That's crazy! lol. Gee, who wrote your bible? human. Who was this christ character? Human. Who was rockin it out old testament style? Humans. Every piece of tangible evidence you have is Human made! From the very start!

    Oooo.. so you mean Paul the apostle was "inspired" to write what he did in the bible, and he did it with gods power? K, sounds good, point is you have no proof that this college student didn't do it the same way.
    Quote Originally Posted by Black J R View Post
    What they're doing with the "Flying Spaghetti Monster" is just changing the names. Any idiot with a ph.D would know that.
    Naw, it's even better than that, they are making it funny and ironic to prove a point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Black J R View Post
    I can bet you that most presidents were with the Roman Catholic Religion. Most were/are part of organizations that are tied with the Roman Catholic religion.

    If a president was a true Christian, the leadership would be completely different. Every aspect would be completely different.

    Also about the Flying Spagghetti Monster (How dare I misspell his name) is ridiculous. I have proof it was created by a human...
    While the Christian religion wasn't created by a human, it does not even completely relate.
    What they're doing with the "Flying Spaghetti Monster" is just changing the names. Any idiot with a ph.D would know that.
    Oh, holy shiot, I have a lot of stuff to work with here. Either you were completely joking, or you're about as retarded as many other people I "talked" with. I'll continue with the latter case.

    First, you must not understand the difference between the sects of Christianity. Because the Roman Catholic Church is Christian, the Protestant sect is christian... get me? Any religion that believes in Christ the Saviour is Christian.

    Nothing would be different with a "true" Christian "leader". You're not allowed to bring religion into government, this country had that separation quite a while ago (though the govt still mingles them today, we're not under a theocracy here).

    Oh, I thought FSM was the real God. How dare you say it was created by a human? [sarcasm over] You stooge of faith, nobody EVER thought the FSM was real. He was made with the intention of ridiculing other religions. In essence, it was created by atheists.

    The Christian Religion was created by a human, or at least a human likeness, or else you haven't read the bible very well. Read Genesis over, especially the part where he makes Adam, then tell me why Adam looks like what he is.

    Lastly, FSM does not change any names, IT IS A PARODY. It was MADE to poke fun at the people of blind faith, such as you, who are so narrow-minded not to realize that. And "idiot with a Ph.D" is an oxymoron. Maybe "sophomoric teenager" would work.
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    This arguement still going yet our poll died.. hmm anyway I don't even see the point of saying anything here everyone has there own opinions and I know yours is different to mine so thats that it should just be left at that

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    Prince. . .Please work on your grammer/typing skills. It'd make people take you a lot more seriously. As well as help people to understand what you're trying to say.

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    Prince, you just figured that out?
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    "Closing time
    Time for you to go out to the places you will be from
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    Closing time
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    I think you don't understand what the forum is about... its not a f*cking spelling forum so stop saying i must use grammer blah blah if I wanted to i would but theres no point... the point is to get done as quick as you can so typing in short is much quicker you should try it ..and sorry but 12 year olds keep telling me to use grammer lol thats a good one sorry but im in university so you 12 year olds learn how to read internet short talk

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePrince View Post
    I think you don't understand what the forum is about... its not a f*cking spelling forum so stop saying i must use grammer blah blah if I wanted to i would but theres no point... the point is to get done as quick as you can so typing in short is much quicker you should try it ..and sorry but 12 year olds keep telling me to use grammer lol thats a good one sorry but im in university so you 12 year olds learn how to read internet short talk

    I bet you failed your English Comp class then And I'm just trying to help you out.

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