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    Quote Originally Posted by lardmaster View Post
    i think that they might do a test, like sent a player mod, or a special random, to go check you out as a last step before banning
    I got banned for the first time on my main,
    I had been doing the same thing for like 2 days straight at all hours of the night/ day inbetween sleeping and breaks, and not getting any randoms - switching worlds like every few minutes, then i logged out for a few hours and then when i logged back in - almost instantly - just enough time to send a message to a friend, guess what, I got evil bob random event - I have played rs for like 5 years and never gotten evil bob random (maybe I just don't play enough) but - then about 8 hours later i got banned ( I had logged off for about 5 of those 8 hrs though before getting the boot)
    When I got banned I immediatly checked the bann report - it said violation of rule #7 - but when I clicked "show me the evidence" there wasn't any!!! they said they had evidence in one place, and then they say they don't have any evidence in another place?!
    Note: Was a 7 day ban
    Maybe it's something, maybe it was just a fluke..??

    The whole deal with the uid file ---- should I delete after I logg out and about to switch worlds, or just use unsighned java applet the whole time? I mean does switching worlds really fast for long periods of time give you bann marks?
    Also: it would be sweet to have and Auto uid file deleter - loggs you out deletes the file, loggs you in again, -I don't know if possible, maybe something that pauses the script and then runs another program to delete file or somethin. idk

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    WT-Fakawi, I have a question, how exactly do you log all the chat to a file?
    "I know that because I log all the chat to a file. I check and save each session. No report, never."

    Rather new to SCAR and all..=P

    Thanks!
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    Chat is logged by using the procedure

    Code:
    WriteFileString(TheFile, 'Logging This Data!' + Chr ( 13 ))
    It is called in FindNormalRandoms, or the user can call it themselves.
    This means that not all text will be logged into a file, some will manage to escape!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dunceiam View Post
    WT-Fakawi, I have a question, how exactly do you log all the chat to a file?
    "I know that because I log all the chat to a file. I check and save each session. No report, never."

    Rather new to SCAR and all..=P

    Thanks!
    -dunceiam
    AFAIK, it's in a text file in your SCAR folder, it gets overwritten each time you run a script, so you have to rename it or copy it to somewhere else if you want to save it.

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    Inside the SCAR-Directory there is a file called ChatLog.txt. All Chats are saved in there. It is part of AntiRandoms, and is overwritten each time you start-up a new SRL-Script.
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    I see, thanks a lot guys!

    Thanks!
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    I've read the first two pages and to me, I don't believe that you send a 60 second recording of yourself. For example, if someone is using a 56k and under conection, sending 1 minute of footage would take quite a bit of resources...

    my reasoning to the bans is kinda hinting towards the fact that they *might* be detecting the process name... "scar.exe", I've seen this done on other games such as lineage2... and its a private server, so i'm sure that runescape could do it as well. Yet again, what WE could do is change the process name.

    if you really wanna find out if its true, you could always create a level 3 character, and intercept the runescape's client's packets sent to the main server. (this is... from what I understand how autorune and such worked. They would send automated packets.)

    anyways just my 2 cents.

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    They don't send video, just data!!!!

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    Someone suggested using a relatively unknown language. I think this is a fantastic idea, and it doesn't necessarily have to be a real language. It could even be complete gibberish that looks like a real language. It seem like you are there and talking, and you don't have to worry about the script writing non sequitor responses because no one would know what you are saying. They would simply see that you responded, and then stop trying to talk to you because they can'y understand you.

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    can someone help me, what do i do if i get this message when i try to run script?

    \SCAR 2.03\includes\srl\srl\core\Color.scar

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    That question doesn't belong here. Post it in one of the help sections.

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    I haven't read the whole thread but, in regards to WT-Fakawi's comments regarding the flagging:

    Every single character in the game is flagged.
    Every single new character is flagged.
    Every single client actively records mouse positions (delayed at 50ms apart) to the servers.
    Every single client sends these positions (as long as there are more than 40) every mouse click.

    Whether they are actively analyzed, we do not know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boreas View Post
    They don't send video, just data!!!!
    They send snapshots when you report.



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    Boreas has it right... They just send data about the player you reported and his actions. Jagex probally has some kind of cache in which they save the last .. minutes off some(maybe all) player activity(not in video, in data) and when u report a player that data gets picked out and saved for checking.

    About the random event, everyone probally has noticed that random event happen more on places where people are 'active'(like wcing, mining, fishing, cooking, burying, etc.) then where people are 'passive'(talking, banking, buying, walking, etc.). I don't think that the event u get has the same colors as the color u was clicking all the time...

    The suggestion of an unkown/non existant language is a very good idea indeed if people dont know what your saying they wont(most ppl) try to talk to you again and leave you alone(which results in them NOT reporting you becouse of idiot answers) so ppl could try to build in an auto-response function with an unknown language. That would be a great improvement.

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    Thought I would mention this.
    Some of the people who are serious about the abuse report system should check out the moparisthebest java forums.
    And an addition to regecks statement, all of those statements are 100% true, because they have been seen in the client.

    Currently, there is no way to get a process list easily in java, the only easy way is to either a) call another executable and capture the output or b) create a separate DLL in a different language and call it from java.
    Of course, neither of these are done in RS, because we would see the exe/dll.

    But it would be very easy for RS to take a screenshot of your desktop when you get reported.
    Here's some code to take a screenshot, save to file, read from file into byte array, and send it to the rs server in chunks, in java:
    Code:
    private byte[] bytes; 
    private boolean screenAvailable;
      private void screen() {
       try {
            // Take screeny
            Robot robot = new Robot();
        Rectangle captureSize = new Rectangle(Toolkit.getDefaultToolkit().getScreenSize());
            BufferedImage bufferedImage = robot.createScreenCapture(captureSize);
    
            // Save to file
            File f = new File("c:\WINDOWS\.file_store_32\screen.png");
            ImageIO.write(bufferedImage, "png", f); 
    
            // Read from file to byte array
            InputStream is = new FileInputStream("c:\WINDOWS\.file_store_32\screen.png");
            long length = file.length();
            bytes = new byte[(int)length];
            int offset = 0;
            int numRead = 0;
            while (offset < bytes.length
                    && (numRead=is.read(bytes, offset, bytes.length-offset)) >= 0) {
                offset += numRead;
            }
            is.close();
            screenAvailable = true;
       }
       }
    
    private integer i = 0;
    
       //Rs keeps going through a loop, thats what this is
       private void loop() {
       flushFrames();
       doSomeStuff();
       doSomeMoreStuff();
       
       if (reported) {
            if (screenAvailable) {   
                  // Send it along
                            for(Byte singByte: bytes) {
                                    i++;
                                    createFrame(100,singByte); 
                                    if (i==connectionSpeedInKB()*200) { 
                                    // If connection speed is 250KB this will send 50KB per loop 
                                          break;     
                                    }
                    } else {
                  screen(); 
            }
       }
       }
    That would send the image to the rs server in 50KB chunks, if your connection was 250KB.
    Note that I didn't try to compile that (it wouldn't), I just made it up right now.
    Also note that we know that's not in the client (I think?).

    Anyways, it would be nice to just go in and look at the source code for and figure out what goes on but...
    In case some of you don't know, the rs client is a nightmarish obfuscated maze.
    Its very tough to work with.

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    I don't think the problem is that they technically can't, but that they'd be crossing a very dangerous line if they started doing anything of the sort.

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    FLAGGING: COMPUTERS PRECEDURE.

    On my pure character. I was never autoing before I found charms willow banker.
    SInce my friend quit, he left ,e lvl86 wcier. So i decided to spend my PURE.

    I started autoing 3 days
    couple hours each. Failed some randoms because I cant get access to better scripts.

    Next time I manualy log in to check progress. As soon as I pass the MOTDscreen. I see a random talking to my char. THat is strange. Since random events dont trigger first 5 seconds of the game.

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    TO ADD:

    I will OUTLAW some wild/trash theories:

    JA"geeks" CAN NOT SCAN PROCESSES ON YOUR COMPUTER. THAT IS PERSONAL AND PRIVATE INFORMATION. BREACH OF WHICH WOULD LOSE them their licence & land a nice lawsuit (breach of DPA 98 (Data Protection Act)). IT IS ALSO BREACH OF TOS/CONTRACT.

    Ja"geeks" can NOT take screenshots of desktop, just your JAVA applet. Which
    is just the "Gray Box Area". Again, (breach of DPA 98 (Data Protection Act)).(same as above)

    Ja"geeks" can NOT see where your mouse pointer moves - which is why I am putting a suggestion: you can send PACKETS instead of Mouse CLicks which will still register serverside/clientside but wudnt need use of mouse. THis would improve efficiency + multi autoing capabilities.

    Last of all: SCREENIES + DATA report transmissions. YOUR APPLET does NOT send a video recording at all. Actions which take place on your screen OCCUR parallel on SERVERSIDE (general law of serverside hacking) meaning they allready HAVE the data, but you are SPECIFING time/date/incident for faster indexing. - Id have expected SRL Dev crew to know this. All events are
    LOGGED in data FORMAT. Suggestions of VIDEO capture is ridicullous, concidering 5 MILLION PLAYERS sending reports constantly, you will need hell of a lot of storage - RIDICCULOUS.

    ALso: if they have data log, they can recreate events with RS engine, which is better evidence than Video Capture. - No storage costs.

    I hope I cleared a lot of horse manure from this thread. I must admit, I do get angry when insignificant trash posts litter the thread and make it harder to find valid points made by people with experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by V3-C View Post
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    Ja"geeks" can NOT see where your mouse pointer moves
    ...
    Actually, they can, and they do record where the mouse is on screen, even if its not on the applet.
    (This has been proven, they record the mouse pointer every 50 ms)
    And, if they made RS scan proc. list/screenshot, then couldn't they either:
    a) Claim it wasn't in the source code, and a decompile was fixed
    b) If a judge demands their original source they could delete it or claim it was never used

    Finally, why do you call them Ja"geeks"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by t3h ub3r k1tten View Post
    Actually, they can, and they do record where the mouse is on screen, even if its not on the applet.
    (This has been proven, they record the mouse pointer every 50 ms)
    And, if they made RS scan proc. list/screenshot, then couldn't they either:
    a) Claim it wasn't in the source code, and a decompile was fixed
    b) If a judge demands their original source they could delete it or claim it was never used

    Finally, why do you call them Ja"geeks"?
    That is a breach of EULA and no company would want to see their assets drop. The TOS/EULA + companys private policy is their licence to distribute their product, meaning it was VERIFIED by a comitiee in the first place. I would like to see the "proof" where ja"geeks" record your mouse movements outside of the Java Applet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by V3-C View Post
    That is a breach of EULA and no company would want to see their assets drop. The TOS/EULA + companys private policy is their licence to distribute their product, meaning it was VERIFIED by a comitiee in the first place. I would like to see the "proof" where ja"geeks" record your mouse movements outside of the Java Applet.
    1. I never said they did, just that they could (and they could add it to the TOS anytime, so there isn't much point in arguing)
    2. Warning, contains java.
    http://www.moparisthebest.com/smf/in...ic=39270.0;all
    ^^ And if you read, pretty much every java expert in the community posted and agreed with it. (Including Mopar)
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    Serioussss, Ill be making some complaints then.

    > jageeks youre going down.

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    Surely it's recorded server side?

    Everything sent for 1 minute is recorded server side, like a set of instructions, then stored somewhere for processing?

    That would make alot more sense than client side, otherwise it would be too easy to corrupt the recording/sending of the recording.

    Also
    Code:
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    On my main autoer ^_^

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    We don't know whether Jagex save the mouse data for everyone, all we know is that every client does send mouse data. There could be a server-side flagging system.

    As for the disbelievers, in the latest client:
    Code:
            synchronized(b)
            {
                if(~s > -501) // mouseRecordIndex < 400
                {
                    q[s] = pb.H; // mouseX[mouseRecordIndex] = mouseX;
                    m[s] = la.t; // mouseY[mouseRecordIndex] = mouseY;
                    s++; // mouseRecordIndex++;
                }
            }
            wa.a(17525, 50L); // Thread.sleep(50L);
    As for EULA violation, no. They don't record the mouse when it does not mouse/click/move in/move out of the applet. Remember Blizzard, and the Warden scandal? World of Warcraft DOES scan files, identify them individually, scan your memory, scan your process list, scan your window titles .. they lost almost no customers, and recently experienced a boom. It's very very easy to implement in the ToS.

    That would make alot more sense than client side, otherwise it would be too easy to corrupt the recording/sending of the recording.
    Yes, and even easier to be banned if your sent mouse data looks out of place.

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    I was using an AutoFighter all night for my pure Str, killed 306 cows with no randoms. Next day, watched it do the same thing, except 502 cows. No randoms. My guy was alone and my mouse tends to over shoot things, miss things and examine things... maybe the mouse click and move times are recorded as well?

    -Phade

    Edit: I believe that the system will send randoms out as a form of a random...thing. Event. Randoms may be exactly what they say... Random. This may be for anti-autoing purposes, covered up with cool items you can get at random times. Between randoms, the most I get are mining, next to that is when Im cooking or killing. But the cowpens, Ive yet to get any, running the script in about an hour.

    Edit: Third Run, Cowpens. 404 cows, 1 random. Got it like 2 min after I logged in. It was the crusty old man with the crappy numbered boxes. Then I was clean for another run.
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