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    Quote Originally Posted by n3ss3s View Post
    I'm quite sure NewToAutoing knows that

    But Ray you didn't answer his question, I mean you kind of supported his idea, yea, Scar Scape edits the client, KYAB doesn't, why is ss allowed but KYAB not?
    Its not about the bot itself, people don't like Solarwind..

    Yay, I read newtoautings question wrong.. I feel ashamed of myself.
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    you have a valid point n3ss, i cant comprehend why KYAB isn't liked, the only thing i can think of is that it uses java. But i don't think that, that should affect anything. The fact that it uses java means nothing. The fact that it makes scripting easier in the sense of walking maybe, but otherwise i cant see why this conflict is even happening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mastaraymond View Post
    Its not about the bot itself, people don't like Solarwind..

    Yay, I read newtoautings question wrong.. I feel ashamed of myself.
    agreed
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    If it's about people hating me (for no reason at all, mind you), the I'd be more than happy to shift ownership and copyrights of the bot to someone else or my devs. I just don't like seeing a good community and a good piece of work going to waste.

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    Maybe you should try creating more content for KYAB. There are only a few scripts that are working and utilise the power of KYAB.
    Creating and releasing more scripts will attract more people, and more people = more script = bigger forum.
    I made a new script, check it out!.

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    Quote Originally Posted by solarwind View Post
    If it's about people hating me (for no reason at all, mind you), the I'd be more than happy to shift ownership and copyrights of the bot to someone else or my devs. I just don't like seeing a good community and a good piece of work going to waste.
    You see? This guy will even give up his entire ownership to his forum for the sake of seeing a new and helpful tool be used.

    Quote Originally Posted by Markus View Post
    Maybe you should try creating more content for KYAB. There are only a few scripts that are working and utilise the power of KYAB.
    Creating and releasing more scripts will attract more people, and more people = more script = bigger forum.
    Agreed markus, I'll try and see what I can do about this, I have a whole week to myself maybe I'll write some scripts showing a bit of the power of KYAB?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markus View Post
    Maybe you should try creating more content for KYAB. There are only a few scripts that are working and utilise the power of KYAB.
    Creating and releasing more scripts will attract more people, and more people = more script = bigger forum.
    agreed. The thing that pisses me off the most at KYAB was the lack of feedback on my scripts...always would get a "will post a proggie when i get a chance" but never did ONCE. The fact of the matter is, I dont want to waste my time writing scripts that people:

    a. wont use it.
    or
    b. wont even look at it for feedback.

    Also, the "fixing the bot" refers to the UIDs and Types that it used to have. And I also seem to be having rather inaccurate clicks due to the mini map changes (6 or 7 tiles off at least).

    I think its pathetic that because ppl dont like solar, the bot is unaccepted. Immature imo. God knows that if Fakawi was a part of KYAB everyone would support it in a heart beat. Give the bot a chance ppl.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gerauchert View Post
    agreed. The thing that pisses me off the most at KYAB was the lack of feedback on my scripts...always would get a "will post a proggie when i get a chance" but never did ONCE. The fact of the matter is, I dont want to waste my time writing scripts that people:

    a. wont use it.
    or
    b. wont even look at it for feedback.

    Also, the "fixing the bot" refers to the UIDs and Types that it used to have. And I also seem to be having rather inaccurate clicks due to the mini map changes (6 or 7 tiles off at least).

    I think its pathetic that because ppl dont like solar, the bot is unaccepted. Immature imo. God knows that if Fakawi was a part of KYAB everyone would support it in a heart beat. Give the bot a chance ppl.
    Yes we did http://www.kyab.asssoft.org/smf/inde...cseen.html#new

    and not all of us script to auto

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugolord View Post
    Yes we did http://www.kyab.asssoft.org/smf/inde...cseen.html#new

    and not all of us script to auto
    Dont take this the wrong way, but did you read that post at all? I dont see a progress report in there...

    Yes one person with genuine feed-back... instead of a quick scan and saying "sweet" or "add something".

    What is the point to post or update those scripts when there arent people who are interested in using them, testing them, or criticizing them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gerauchert View Post
    Dont take this the wrong way, but did you read that post at all? I dont see a progress report in there...

    Yes one person with genuine feed-back... instead of a quick scan and saying "sweet" or "add something".

    What is the point to post or update those scripts when there arent people who are interested in using them, testing them, or criticizing them?
    That's exactly why I'm trying to get more SRL members to join, most of us are only non-SRL members, of course you can't expect those to be able to criticize your work fully.
    If only we had more SRL members..We would be great but meh..

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    Quote Originally Posted by rkroxpunk View Post
    JAD you say that SRL merely stops the script making process taking 4 months or whatever and turns it into about a 1 month process. You also say you could walk from so and so perfectly if you tried really hard and worked on it, mind you that would probly take probly longer than 4 months to perfect so why not use a tool that just like SRL shortens the script making process.

    Secondly the fact that SS is supported here just shows the hypocracy. SS is a tool that client hacks runescape, yet it is fully supported not just by members but by leaders. You also whine and complain about how KYAB makes scripting too easy yet SS is a tool designed to not only make walking easier but object finding too! Hypocracy much?
    @ the first paragraph, I didn't mean srl merely stops the script making process...

    Why do other people than the best script? The devs/admins..etc. are better scripters than me, what the hell am I doing scripting? We should just have the best scripters make another include called scripts, and use KYAB. Than, we could write scripts like these, because they'd be more reliable and they'd be made by the best:

    SCAR Code:
    program New;
    {.include scripts.scar}

    begin
      CutYewsAtEdgevil;
    end.

    and

    SCAR Code:
    program New;
    {.include scripts.scar}

    begin
      FishLobstersAtKaramja;
    end.

    Then, nobody would need to learn any languages or anything, and there'd be no point to this community any more! That'd be the life for the leechers. Only problem is, it wouldn't be the life for the people that like scar, along with ALL it's procedures (including radial walk), and it would make us go away because there'd be no point.


    Maybe KYAB doesn't make it that easy, but we could sure as hell make scripting easier without KYAB by what I did above, and we don't because we care about scripting more than having a bigger number on your gp's on runescape.

    many scripters here at srl are here for the scripting and the challenge, NOT for making more money on runescape!



    @the second paragraph, I haven't seen many people at all use SS around here. Have you? I for one haven't used it every...

    And I wasn't back seat modding. You don't get to go all inactive and come back here telling everybody else what they should be doing, with all due respect.

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    well im not a very busy poster on here but i do read the forums when i can.

    @the second paragraph, I haven't seen many people at all use SS around here. Have you? I for one haven't used it every...
    to be fair i have seen quite a bit of SS usage around and about.

    i havnt used either SRL or KYAB for a long time now but i do agree that KYAB has more to offer it just needs to be worked on until its accepted for what it is.

    the KYAB forums are a great place, thats the place where i finally decided to learn java and the people there helped me asmuch as they could.

    in my opinion shorter is better. if you where trying to get to school in because you where late as quick as you possibly can your not going to take the long route (well i presume so :P). Why cant KYAB be used to make scripts shorter and more efficient. quite often if someone posts a new function/procedure someone else will come along and shorten it so it does the same thing but with less lines of code, cant using KYAB just be seen as another way of doing this to scripts?

    [PS sorry for all the bad grammer above]

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAD View Post
    @ the first paragraph, I didn't mean srl merely stops the script making process...

    Why do other people than the best script? The devs/admins..etc. are better scripters than me, what the hell am I doing scripting? We should just have the best scripters make another include called scripts, and use KYAB. Than, we could write scripts like these, because they'd be more reliable and they'd be made by the best:

    SCAR Code:
    program New;
    {.include scripts.scar}

    begin
      CutYewsAtEdgevil;
    end.

    and

    SCAR Code:
    program New;
    {.include scripts.scar}

    begin
      FishLobstersAtKaramja;
    end.

    Then, nobody would need to learn any languages or anything, and there'd be no point to this community any more! That'd be the life for the leechers. Only problem is, it wouldn't be the life for the people that like scar, along with ALL it's procedures (including radial walk), and it would make us go away because there'd be no point.


    Maybe KYAB doesn't make it that easy, but we could sure as hell make scripting easier without KYAB by what I did above, and we don't because we care about scripting more than having a bigger number on your gp's on runescape.

    many scripters here at srl are here for the scripting and the challenge, NOT for making more money on runescape!



    @the second paragraph, I haven't seen many people at all use SS around here. Have you? I for one haven't used it every...

    And I wasn't back seat modding. You don't get to go all inactive and come back here telling everybody else what they should be doing, with all due respect.
    So far, only the GREAT Fakawi has made flawless scripts (99% flawless) and he sure couldn't write scripts for the whole community that's why we need everyone to learn and KYAB would help us GREATLY.

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    "I feel Like I'm taking crazy pills!" < ZooLander
    Why wouldn't you want to use something that is more efficient, Safer,and easier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wizzup? View Post
    KYAB would be a resource for SCAR if it was IN SCAR, like some sort of plugin.
    It would still be using knowledge about the java code, though.

    This thread is for advertising KYAB, not for discussing the fact that you would like to see it in SRL.
    Why don't you just add it to your own SRL folder?
    Why is SS allowed? Its java and it hacks the client!

    Well KYAB does have its own include that I think should be added to SRL, KYAB.scar. But We have to manually put it under SRL/misc. And make a small edit to SetupSRL.scar and Globals.scar

    If SRL would do that for KYAB that would be great...But I dont see why it would be a big deal not to?

    Oh and even though it is Java...So? SCAR scripters using KYAB would never see any Java. All they would do is..
    GetMotion;

    All respect Man,

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    Quote Originally Posted by gerauchert View Post
    Dont take this the wrong way, but did you read that post at all? I dont see a progress report in there...

    Yes one person with genuine feed-back... instead of a quick scan and saying "sweet" or "add something".

    What is the point to post or update those scripts when there arent people who are interested in using them, testing them, or criticizing them?
    I would love to use it. It just it outdated. Even though KYAB works, I can't get KYAB.scar to work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugolord View Post
    So far, only the GREAT Fakawi has made flawless scripts (99% flawless) and he sure couldn't write scripts for the whole community that's why we need everyone to learn and KYAB would help us GREATLY.
    I've seen a lot of 99% flawless scripts. For a single example, look at Tara's chicken killer. Fawki's not the single greatest scripter ever (don't take offense to that Fawki, I didn't mean it like that )

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAD View Post
    @ the first paragraph, I didn't mean srl merely stops the script making process...

    Why do other people than the best script? The devs/admins..etc. are better scripters than me, what the hell am I doing scripting? We should just have the best scripters make another include called scripts, and use KYAB. Than, we could write scripts like these, because they'd be more reliable and they'd be made by the best:

    SCAR Code:
    program New;
    {.include scripts.scar}

    begin
      CutYewsAtEdgevil;
    end.

    and

    SCAR Code:
    program New;
    {.include scripts.scar}

    begin
      FishLobstersAtKaramja;
    end.

    Then, nobody would need to learn any languages or anything, and there'd be no point to this community any more! That'd be the life for the leechers. Only problem is, it wouldn't be the life for the people that like scar, along with ALL it's procedures (including radial walk), and it would make us go away because there'd be no point.


    Maybe KYAB doesn't make it that easy, but we could sure as hell make scripting easier without KYAB by what I did above, and we don't because we care about scripting more than having a bigger number on your gp's on runescape.

    many scripters here at srl are here for the scripting and the challenge, NOT for making more money on runescape!



    @the second paragraph, I haven't seen many people at all use SS around here. Have you? I for one haven't used it every...

    And I wasn't back seat modding. You don't get to go all inactive and come back here telling everybody else what they should be doing, with all due respect.
    First off, please read my posts, don't post bullshit, and look at the forums. I'm struggling to find something in your post that is true.

    I didn't say you said SRL stops the script making process (well didn't mean to) I said it stops it from being a 4 month thing and makes it shorter.

    Secondly have you even looked at MSI that is practically a members project allowing you to do "GoFishBankAndWin".

    Hardly any scripts that use SS? Rofl
    http://www.villavu.com/forum/showthr...7s+guild+miner
    that script is in the top 8 of most used scripts and needs SS.

    And I wasn't back seat modding. You don't get to go all inactive and come back here telling everybody else what they should be doing, with all due respect.
    Wtf are you on about, I didn't tell anybody to do anything I merely posted a suggestion. All I said was don't back seat mod which you clearly were, but if you want to, go right ahead but you've already got a lot of people who think your annoying and immature. Also are you trying to tell me that active people can tell people what to do? Because that's exactly what you said. Also unlike you I don't find the need to spam the forums, this forum lost all purpose for me a long time ago, I just visit here every so often and check out what's happening. I don't see how all these people can use SCAR just for the challenge of scripting, when:
    A) The majority of the members don't even post scripts.
    B) You've been here for more then a friggin year and you appear to be programming in PASCAL?! It's not that challenging a language O.o
    C) The members section appears to contain SMART which in no way increases the "challenges of scripting", just the
    number on your gp's on runescape
    or the number on your stat sheet.
    Sorry if I seem flamey but "with all due respect" your posts used to piss me off and apparently they still do. Hmm if I remember correctly you once went inactive yourself?

    "with all due respect"

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    Quote Originally Posted by rkroxpunk View Post
    First off, please read my posts, don't post bullshit, and look at the forums. I'm struggling to find something in your post that is true.

    I didn't say you said SRL stops the script making process (well didn't mean to) I said it stops it from being a 4 month thing and makes it shorter.

    Secondly have you even looked at MSI that is practically a members project allowing you to do "GoFishBankAndWin".

    Hardly any scripts that use SS? Rofl
    http://www.villavu.com/forum/showthr...7s+guild+miner
    that script is in the top 8 of most used scripts and needs SS.


    Wtf are you on about, I didn't tell anybody to do anything I merely posted a suggestion. All I said was don't back seat mod which you clearly were, but if you want to, go right ahead but you've already got a lot of people who think your annoying and immature. Also are you trying to tell me that active people can tell people what to do? Because that's exactly what you said. Also unlike you I don't find the need to spam the forums, this forum lost all purpose for me a long time ago, I just visit here every so often and check out what's happening. I don't see how all these people can use SCAR just for the challenge of scripting, when:
    A) The majority of the members don't even post scripts.
    B) You've been here for more then a friggin year and you appear to be programming in PASCAL?! It's not that challenging a language O.o
    C) The members section appears to contain SMART which in no way increases the "challenges of scripting", just the or the number on your stat sheet.
    Sorry if I seem flamey but "with all due respect" your posts used to piss me off and apparently they still do. Hmm if I remember correctly you once went inactive yourself?

    "with all due respect"

    -RK
    rep ++ rk =P

    Your post is really accurate, I mean, How does having SS and SMART give you a challenge to script?

    And then you won't accept KYAB for some strange and obnoxious reason...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugolord View Post
    That's exactly why I'm trying to get more SRL members to join, most of us are only non-SRL members, of course you can't expect those to be able to criticize your work fully.
    If only we had more SRL members..We would be great but meh..
    Wow. I wasnt aware that KYAB was full of non-SRL members...strange. I thought that to be an accepted member you had to also be a member at SRL? Meh but that was a while ago when still private right? I still think that I really dont have a reason to update until there is a demand for the scripts because what you say is true.

    We need more ppl at KYAB. Theres never anything to even randomly talk about on the forum...its really sad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rkroxpunk View Post
    First off, please read my posts, don't post bullshit, and look at the forums. I'm struggling to find something in your post that is true.

    I didn't say you said SRL stops the script making process (well didn't mean to) I said it stops it from being a 4 month thing and makes it shorter.

    Secondly have you even looked at MSI that is practically a members project allowing you to do "GoFishBankAndWin".

    Hardly any scripts that use SS? Rofl
    http://www.villavu.com/forum/showthr...7s+guild+miner
    that script is in the top 8 of most used scripts and needs SS.


    Wtf are you on about, I didn't tell anybody to do anything I merely posted a suggestion. All I said was don't back seat mod which you clearly were, but if you want to, go right ahead but you've already got a lot of people who think your annoying and immature. Also are you trying to tell me that active people can tell people what to do? Because that's exactly what you said. Also unlike you I don't find the need to spam the forums, this forum lost all purpose for me a long time ago, I just visit here every so often and check out what's happening. I don't see how all these people can use SCAR just for the challenge of scripting, when:
    A) The majority of the members don't even post scripts.
    B) You've been here for more then a friggin year and you appear to be programming in PASCAL?! It's not that challenging a language O.o
    C) The members section appears to contain SMART which in no way increases the "challenges of scripting", just the or the number on your stat sheet.
    Sorry if I seem flamey but "with all due respect" your posts used to piss me off and apparently they still do. Hmm if I remember correctly you once went inactive yourself?

    "with all due respect"

    -RK
    I didn't say going inactive was bad... I said that coming back after not being on the forums in a while and telling us how it is is inaccurate, because you haven't been around in a while. I wouldn't have posted on this thread if I hadn't been active in the last few months either...

    You don't find a need to spam the forums? That's interesting that your post count sky rocketed like it did. If you didn't notice there's a white bear next to my name, and I'm not bragging about it, but I believe that means that I helped people more than people without a bear? Just putting that out there, but I helped YOU become an srl member. No need for the disrespect, you can not respect someone without disrespecting them. I didn't know you were this immature.

    You've lost interest here, so why are you here telling us what would be to our best interest here?

    And for the people that look at me like I'm crazy because I don't like KYAB, I really don't give a bleep about how effective scripts could be with KYAB. I want to make just as effective scripts with scar, because that's more fun. I'm in it for the fun of scripting, and I personally don't want the fun level of scripting brought down by KYAB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAD View Post
    I didn't say going inactive was bad... I said that coming back after not being on the forums in a while and telling us how it is is inaccurate, because you haven't been around in a while. I wouldn't have posted on this thread if I hadn't been active in the last few months either...

    You don't find a need to spam the forums? That's interesting that your post count sky rocketed like it did. If you didn't notice there's a white bear next to my name, and I'm not bragging about it, but I believe that means that I helped people more than people without a bear? Just putting that out there, but I helped YOU become an srl member. No need for the disrespect, you can not respect someone without disrespecting them. I didn't know you were this immature.

    You've lost interest here, so why are you here telling us what would be to our best interest here?

    And for the people that look at me like I'm crazy because I don't like KYAB, I really don't give a bleep about how effective scripts could be with KYAB. I want to make just as effective scripts with scar, because that's more fun. I'm in it for the fun of scripting, and I personally don't want the fun level of scripting brought down by KYAB.
    Is it just me or does that entire post have nothing to do with KYAB but more that you feel those of us who haven't been quite that active here have no say in issues here anymore? Plus, if you feel that KYAB takes the fun out of it, then you don't need to use it. That doesn't mean that KYAB should be viewed as this horrible mass of fail by SRL as a whole. I'd point out some ways you exaggerated the help KYAB gives but RK already did. And quite frankly i feel no need to repeat what he said given that you didn't really respond to it xD

    But while i'm here lemme just say to RK, calm down (just a lil' bit) xD But other than that keep it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAD View Post
    I didn't say going inactive was bad... I said that coming back after not being on the forums in a while and telling us how it is is inaccurate, because you haven't been around in a while. I wouldn't have posted on this thread if I hadn't been active in the last few months either...

    You don't find a need to spam the forums? That's interesting that your post count sky rocketed like it did. If you didn't notice there's a white bear next to my name, and I'm not bragging about it, but I believe that means that I helped people more than people without a bear? Just putting that out there, but I helped YOU become an srl member. No need for the disrespect, you can not respect someone without disrespecting them. I didn't know you were this immature.

    You've lost interest here, so why are you here telling us what would be to our best interest here?

    And for the people that look at me like I'm crazy because I don't like KYAB, I really don't give a bleep about how effective scripts could be with KYAB. I want to make just as effective scripts with scar, because that's more fun. I'm in it for the fun of scripting, and I personally don't want the fun level of scripting brought down by KYAB.
    /deep breath *counts to 10*
    Like I or you said, you don't need to post to be active, I often check the forums and am up to speed with what is happening here, I didn't just come back all of a sudden to post on this thread i've been here just not posting.....I have every right to post on this thread just as much as you, I probly understand what the situation is more than you do...

    "You've lost interest here, so why are you here telling us what would be to our best interest here?"
    When did I tell you what your best interests should be?

    "I'm in it for the fun of scripting, and I personally don't want the fun level of scripting brought down by KYAB."
    But yet you don't mind it being brought down by SRL?

    Also genuine question, how did you help me become a member? I seriously don't remember anything about that time :S Oh except you had a tut on something I think.

    Yes I do admit I used to be a spammer I remember looking back at my posts one day and realising half of them are full of shit. Mind you after I recieved member status I only really visited the help section as my goal had been achieved. At least I don't deny the fact that yes I once was a spammer, and yes you most definately were too so don't bother holding that against anyone. Also believe it or not there are people without cups that fulfill the standards of the cup more than others, devs are just an example, not saying anything bad about the devs but well there are some that clearly should be and others that I can't believe are.

    "No need for the disrespect, you can not respect someone without disrespecting them. I didn't know you were this immature."
    Was that meant to be something prolific? Because that was really quite stupid. Of course you can respect someone without having disrespected them. And just because you don't agree with me doesn't make me immature...

    I also happened to notice how many of my questions you avoided, seems to happen a lot on this topic.

    -RK
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    Quote Originally Posted by rkroxpunk View Post
    /deep breath *counts to 10*
    Like I or you said, you don't need to post to be active, I often check the forums and am up to speed with what is happening here, I didn't just come back all of a sudden to post on this thread i've been here just not posting.....I have every right to post on this thread just as much as you, I probly understand what the situation is more than you do...

    "You've lost interest here, so why are you here telling us what would be to our best interest here?"
    When did I tell you what your best interests should be?

    "I'm in it for the fun of scripting, and I personally don't want the fun level of scripting brought down by KYAB."
    But yet you don't mind it being brought down by SRL?

    Also genuine question, how did you help me become a member? I seriously don't remember anything about that time :S Oh except you had a tut on something I think.

    Yes I do admit I used to be a spammer I remember looking back at my posts one day and realising half of them are full of shit. Mind you after I recieved member status I only really visited the help section as my goal had been achieved. At least I don't deny the fact that yes I once was a spammer, and yes you most definately were too so don't bother holding that against anyone. Also believe it or not there are people without cups that fulfill the standards of the cup more than others, devs are just an example, not saying anything bad about the devs but well there are some that clearly should be and others that I can't believe are.

    "No need for the disrespect, you can not respect someone without disrespecting them. I didn't know you were this immature."
    Was that meant to be something prolific? Because that was really quite stupid. Of course you can respect someone without having disrespected them. And just because you don't agree with me doesn't make me immature...

    I also happened to notice how many of my questions you avoided, seems to happen a lot on this topic.

    -RK
    I'm done posting on this topic... Many things I've said have been flipped into meaning something else which I didn't intend at all.

    Anyways, last thing I'll say, and I really don't want anyone to quote this at all and tell me I'm wrong or right.

    Most of us here that care about scripting and love to script, make scripts for the fun of scripting. Scripting would be barely possible and only the best of the best could do it. SRL gives those non best of the best an opportunity to make a good script for runescape. KYAB is communism. (I think I used the right word) It makes everybody be able to make the same quality script without needing to learn as much. Walking in a script has always been the hardest part; taking that out means any noob can make (almost, or at least a lot closer) as good of a script as SB/wizzup?/nielsie/fawki...etc. easily (no need to go on further, you know who you amazing scripters are)

    So IMO, KYAB makes it much easier to script, and in turn makes it much more possible for any noob to be as good at scripting as any of the scripting gods (not calling myself a scripting god, I know I'm not close to one).


    The people who actually have a say in what changes with srl and KYAB are not me, but I think they've stated their opinions before this topic too, and I'm not sure they've changed...

    I'd prefer nobody quotes this and flames me for it, but those who don't like me and respect me and want to flame me will (rk).

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAD View Post
    I'm done posting on this topic... Many things I've said have been flipped into meaning something else which I didn't intend at all.

    Anyways, last thing I'll say, and I really don't want anyone to quote this at all and tell me I'm wrong or right.

    Most of us here that care about scripting and love to script, make scripts for the fun of scripting. Scripting would be barely possible and only the best of the best could do it. SRL gives those non best of the best an opportunity to make a good script for runescape. KYAB is communism. (I think I used the right word) It makes everybody be able to make the same quality script without needing to learn as much. Walking in a script has always been the hardest part; taking that out means any noob can make (almost, or at least a lot closer) as good of a script as SB/wizzup?/nielsie/fawki...etc. easily (no need to go on further, you know who you amazing scripters are)

    So IMO, KYAB makes it much easier to script, and in turn makes it much more possible for any noob to be as good at scripting as any of the scripting gods (not calling myself a scripting god, I know I'm not close to one).


    The people who actually have a say in what changes with srl and KYAB are not me, but I think they've stated their opinions before this topic too, and I'm not sure they've changed...

    I'd prefer nobody quotes this and flames me for it, but those who don't like me and respect me and want to flame me will (rk).
    I'm gonna have to quote you as i wish to reply to what you said, but i'll definitely do my best to not flame you

    I'd like it if you could stay on this thread and have a discussion about this as i feel you are one of the people who voices their anti-kyab opinion the most, which in effect would make convincing you a great accomplishment (Though i doubt that's possible anyway xD) and could create for some intellectual debate on the subject.

    Anyway, onto your post. I'm confused. You seem to be contradicting yourself. You say that SRL gives those who aren't the best of the best the ability to make a good script for runescape. And then you say that KYAB makes thing easier. So first you say making things easier is good, but then that it is bad? I realize there are different levels of "easy" but still. Kind of hypocritical.

    Furthermore, anyone can make something similar to KYAB provided they have the knowledge. What i'm getting at is, would you view it as being too easy if you had made KYAB from scratch and then scripts to accompany it? As in, going through the work to make tile walking possible (Which you have to admit, is a more effective approach to walking) for the benefits it gives. To make sure what i'm saying is clear, doing the harder thing of making an add on for the advanced performance it gives. Comparable to choosing to use TPA's to find your objects over a simple FindColor. The former is harder but results in better accuracy, right? Same idea here.

    Only difference is, it's beyond most people's abilities to do something like that, not to mention update it, and it's more effective if everyone uses the same add on, as it creates more compatability. So in the same way that SRL allows "non-gods of programming" to create decent scripts, KYAB allows "non-gods of programming" to create decent scripts with better walking (among other things). Right?

    What i'm getting at is, you seem to feel that KYAB is bad because it takes less work to make a good script, but SRL is the same thing essentially. Plus the whole point of making a script (Or hell, a program in general) is how effective it actually is. Of course the fun is in the challenge, and occasionally the only purpose IS the fun, but if one were to look at the actual performance of it, wouldn't that matter more?

    Maybe you'll disagree with my last point (Hell, i almost do xD) but all in all it seems like you're against improvement. Making something hard easier IS an improvement. Making something more effective IS an improvement. That's why we have cars.

    And if you feel like that takes the fun out of it then i can't honestly see how. It allows you to perfect other aspects of your script, and if everyone is making "perfect scripts" it is much more challenging to make your "perfect script" better than theirs. At least, that's the general feeling i got from the time i spent at RSCA, everyone can make a script that can run for days straight, but making an extremely good and more advanced one (in terms of performance and code quality) was much more rewarding.

    One other point i'd like to mention is that SRL is a learning enviroment, right? We want to help people learn and grow. Why is it then viewed as if "We want to help people learn and grow within the limits of SCAR"? KYAB is open source for a reason, we don't want people to just use it for phr33 g33p33z, it's in the hopes that others will learn from it. Is there anything wrong with that? (Not saying you or anyone else said there is something wrong with that, but you get where i'm going i hope)

    It may be just me but i get the feeling like SRL is against advancements that make SRL or SCAR less useful. That may be another topic altogether, but eh. Anyway, if so, it would make sense as KYAB makes anything related to walking in SRL, unneeded. So that could make sense i suppose, but hopefully that's not the case. If that is the case, i can explain the problems with that later xD

    I realize my post has gotten a bit long and ranty-ish, and probably goes way off from your post JAD, but i'd like to hear what you have to say to the points i provided. And if i have flamed you in anyway, i apologize.

    Edit: Oh, and nobody ever answered my question about why SS uses java (and edits the client) and is 100% accepted while KYAB merely reads variables from the client is not. This question is mainly aimed at those who feel that KYAB is wrong because of it's use of java and whatnot.

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