
Originally Posted by
Starblaster100
Ah, religion... how much I have discussed this at uni...
There is really no point in arguing, saying I'm right, you're wrong.
agreed. Im just trying to stop the people who say they are right.

Originally Posted by
Starblaster100
To me, believing in God is simple: It is for the weak and insecure people. People who are feeling insecure need comfort, and so they turn to God. Otherwise, they believe in God because their families do. Why do their families believe in God? Because somewhere up the family tree, someone was feeling insecure and turned to God.
What is this??! Why do you try to judge and sterotype something that you don't even understand!? Ok, look, let me make this definition right now. There are people who say they belive or feel they belive because they are weak and wanted superficial comfort (or perhaps the social comfort of church) and people who only belive because of people they know belive. That imho is not truely beliving. Sure, you can call people like that insecure, but not me. I did not become a beliver because anyone I knew was ( it was very much to the contrary and I got allot of crap because of it ), nor was it because I needed comfort. I mean, Hell, I don't even want to be a believer! I'm just stuck with evidence that I can not deny.

Originally Posted by
Starblaster100
Its a win win situation. Believe and you go to heaven.
and if heaven doesnt excist, ure still ok

Originally Posted by
Starblaster100
Don't believe, and it doesn't matter where you go; you don't believe they exist.
unless they do, then ure in a bit of trouble. Anyhow, i am against people beliving just because they are scared, but thats at least their argument.

Originally Posted by
Starblaster100
And did you know that the only way to get into heaven is to believe that Jesus dies for you and loves you? So those who say you may as well believe in God: Its not going to help you. So give up now, or turn hardcore Christian.
no. this is not true. In fact, even people who are athiest can get into heaven if they lead a good life. God is just and jesus is very forgiving. Everyone gets a fair shot at choosing to believe or not.

Originally Posted by
Starblaster100
Also, because of this, its means that if your loved ones don't believe in Jesus, it means that they will be burning in hell, regardless of it they were a decent person in life or not. For a God who is supposed to love us unconditionally, that doesn't seem right, no?
your right, it isn't, and thats not how it works. Least not in my religion. other ones may have their own stuff to work out.. like i said before, i am complelty against the fu**ed up religions who got it all worng.

Originally Posted by
Starblaster100
Which leads me to me next point. just because you believe in Jesus, does it really mean you deserve to go to heaven? If i were a serial killer, killing thousands of people, BUT i believe in Jesus, and that he died for us, it means i'm going to heaven. Is that fair? Well its
hell no, lol. I mean i supose it might be possiblke if this murder complelty repented for his sins. including.. well, undoing what he has done.. or something like that.. but yeah. not likly, I really dont know the details, but i would say that him getting into heaven isnt guna work.

Originally Posted by
Starblaster100
what some extreme Muslims believe, no?
helifino. Thats one of them fu**ed up unsuported religions. Not all religions are the same.

Originally Posted by
Starblaster100
And finally, how do you know Christianity is the right religion? You were brought up in that environment right, from a young age where you were very mouldable, or because you live in the western society, which is based on Christianity (and don't bother saying some other religion is the dominating in the western world, we all know its Christian based anyway). Which again leads me to my first point: You believe in God because your family does. And why do your family believe in God? Because somewhere up the family tree, someone was feeling insecure...
No. thats not me nor why. How do i know? I asked, prayed and got an answer. Arguably the bigest mistake of my life, but its too late now.

Originally Posted by
Starblaster100
I just find it so hard to believe that so many people would follow a faith so blindly without any proof of God's existence. If he doesn't exist, then thats a good 70 years of your life wasted.
Some people do. People are idiots. I don't really understand the people who do it without having personal proof of their own either. It probably some fu**ed up stuff like wanting to look good, or falling into peer presure, or something like that. But i don't know, im not going to judge.

Originally Posted by
yakman
Starblaster100, you're painting a rosy picture of a live-and-let-live society of theism and atheism,
You propose live-and-kill-belivers is a better picture? Seriosuly now, i know their are some screwed up religions, but getting all mad at them is just guna make things worse. Get your own moral set of guidlines, (utilitarian if you will) and judge based on that if you need to.
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